Are Irish People Xenophobic?

Metallitroll · 05-03-2011 02:15AM

am dependent on the non-caucasian female to express some semblance of love to, else i'd combust so most defo no - uncle mo n my cousins wouldn't really agree with it anyhow, ever think the world would fare a fúckload better if we were the exact opposite of patriotic in wishing to escape what we know only too well?! from a pussy perspective anyhow - would all be mongrels lol and there exists an opportunity to learn from our neighbors' excesses keep ireland pure? what a contradiction

Sisko · 05-03-2011 02:21AM

WTF?^

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Don't know about us but switch from English to polish on this site...

http://www.umlub.pl/index2.html

:eek:

Omfg!

twinQuins · 05-03-2011 02:24AM

walshb wrote: »

I think you are being a little naive. Don't you think they know the words please and thank you, but choose to be abrasive because they are maybe a little hostile towards the westerner, the white man, the "oppressor?"

[...]What is here for them?

Would you like some fish with those chips?

AhSureTisGrand · 05-03-2011 02:43AM

Just like white people are racist

Amhran Nua · 05-03-2011 02:45AM

walshb wrote: »

How about amongst their fellow black Africans in Africa. Can you say that they are not used to please and thank you there? Are they rude and ungrateful even in Africa when dealing with fellow Africans?

Actually that pretty much sums it up, except they aren't being rude and ungrateful, that really is their culture. As part of my work on the steering committee of the Intercultural forum of an Irish city, people from various African cultures raised this issue themselves - they said they needed to keep in mind not to shout and gesticulate, because in Ireland this is viewed as threatening behaviour. Where they come from it's just normal.

If you want to see it from the other side, go to Japan, where there are fantastically elaborate rules of social conduct and intricate pecking orders. A simple please and thank you will be viewed as boorish and inconsiderate in many circles. It's always a facepalm moment when you talk to foreigners there and they mention the "gaijin blast", where you eyeball some Japanese person savagely and they get out of your way - it's not a sign of respect, it's them wondering whether or not to call the police.

Mike 1972 · 05-03-2011 02:45AM

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Note the coloured bloke is now white when you go from English to Polish..

Coloured ????

I remember years ago hearing on the radio someone mentioning to Gay Byrne about some TV ad running on ITV and RTE at the time. The ad was set in a shop and everything about the ITV and RTE versions were identical except that on ITV the shop assistant was black.

Byrnes response was to make a crude racist comment.

Johro · 05-03-2011 03:01AM

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Actually that pretty much sums it up, except they aren't being rude and ungrateful, that really is their culture. As part of my work on the steering committee of the Intercultural forum of an Irish city, people from various African cultures raised this issue themselves - they said they needed to keep in mind not to shout and gesticulate, because in Ireland this is viewed as threatening behaviour. Where they come from it's just normal.

If you want to see it from the other side, go to Japan, where there are fantastically elaborate rules of social conduct and intricate pecking orders. A simple please and thank you will be viewed as boorish and inconsiderate in many circles. It's always a facepalm moment when you talk to foreigners there and they mention the "gaijin blast", where you eyeball some Japanese person savagely and they get out of your way - it's not a sign of respect, it's them wondering whether or not to call the police.

Same goes for Arabs. What's just passionate debate to them is intimidating to outsiders.

Amhran Nua · 05-03-2011 03:04AM

It's easy to see how suspicion and trouble can be caused by simple cultural misunderstandings...

steelcityblues · 05-03-2011 03:06AM

Terribly generalised poll question!

No one can look into the hearts and minds of 4 million plus people in such a simple fashion!

K-9 · 05-03-2011 03:29AM

Nope, there are a few though, lots of it down to stupidity.

I think there is hope for xenophobes as it's irrational and many will learn.

Racists don't want to learn.

Things will be pointed out to them again and again and they'll keep spouting the same nonsense or post over and over again on threads like this, never learning a thing and soap boxing away, losing the will to think freely.

Cybertron85 · 05-03-2011 04:50AM

There can't be free movement simply because we're such a tiny country. 4.5 million on a global scale of 6 billion is a pinprick. As horrible as it sounds, there needs to be a quota of immigrants which the country can absorb succesfully.

I'm of mixed heritage myself, and I know I'll get some flack for this but there are some peoples I just can't stand. I don't get along with them, have nothing in common with them, have never had a single positive experience with them etc.

There are many other foreigners I welcome with open arms!

05-03-2011 09:33AM

walshb wrote: »

I think you are being a little naive. Don't you think they know the words please and thank you, but choose to be abrasive because they are maybe a little hostile towards the westerner, the white man, the "oppressor?"

Are you implying that Africans do not know/use these words? How about amongst their fellow black Africans in Africa. Can you say that they are not used to please and thank you there? Are they rude and ungrateful even in Africa when dealing with fellow Africans? I don't think so. So, they are well aware of the words, and well aware of manners; they just choose to be abrasive. Not all of them.

And, IF it is really their lack of words like please and thank you, or their cultural differences, then why come here
to our alien (civilised/mannerly, for the most part) culture. What is here for them?

walshb, you're batsh*t crazy.

They're not all maliciously looking to get one up on "the man"

But then again I'd expect nothing more from a Daily Mail believer.

What's your stance on the BNP? Do you think there should be a similar group in Ireland?

Eve_Dublin · 05-03-2011 10:48AM

walshb wrote: »

I think you are being a little naive. Don't you think they know the words please and thank you, but choose to be abrasive because they are maybe a little hostile towards the westerner, the white man, the "oppressor?"

Are you implying that Africans do not know/use these words? How about amongst their fellow black Africans in Africa. Can you say that they are not used to please and thank you there? Are they rude and ungrateful even in Africa when dealing with fellow Africans? I don't think so. So, they are well aware of the words, and well aware of manners; they just choose to be abrasive. Not all of them.

And, IF it is really their lack of words like please and thank you, or their cultural differences, then why come here
to our alien (civilised/mannerly, for the most part) culture. What is here for them?

I live in Spain and they laugh at how over-polite the English language is and the more I teach it, the more I agree and the Irish are the worst perpetrators of it. Are they sticking it to the man here in Spain as well do you reckon? We APOLOGISE for our own existance in this country, "Oh sorry, sorry......eh...sorry!". I saw someone apologise handing across their money to pay the other day when I visited Dublin. We're actually worse than the English with our supposed "manners"....to expect anyone to comply with our overuse of these words is ridiculous.

Nodin · 05-03-2011 01:44PM

walshb wrote: »

I think you are being a little naive. Don't you think they know the words please and thank you,(.....) culture. What is here for them?

WalshB World, where hate, fear and suspicion are for breakfast, dinner and lunch....

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-03-2011 01:50PM

Should I be offended that I'm regularly called a Polish C*nt and told to fvck off back to my own country - despite the fact I'm very Irish!.

(True story above).

applehunter · 05-03-2011 01:53PM

Rowan Thousands Numerical wrote: »

Should I be offended that I'm regularly called a Polish C*nt and told to fvck off back to my own country - despite the fact I'm very Irish!.

(True story above).

Regularly....doubtful

How is a very person "very Irish"?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-03-2011 01:58PM

applehunter wrote: »

Regularly....doubtful

Bouncer, 6'3'' 125kgs with shaved head & muskles!.

applehunter wrote: »

How is a very person "very Irish"?

When I let it grow - red hair, freckles and a big fvcking Irish tri-colour tattoo on my arm!.

Nodin · 05-03-2011 02:03PM

Rowan Thousands Numerical wrote: »

Should I be offended that I'm regularly called a Polish C*nt and told to fvck off back to my own country - despite the fact I'm very Irish!.

(True story above).

...how the fuck does that happen, dare I ask.....

Amhran Nua · 05-03-2011 02:08PM

Rowan Thousands Numerical wrote: »

Should I be offended that I'm regularly called a Polish C*nt and told to fvck off back to my own country - despite the fact I'm very Irish!.

You work as a bouncer maybe?

Nodin · 05-03-2011 02:09PM

Bouncer=polish now?......

saintsaltynuts · 05-03-2011 02:10PM

Polish man walks into an Off Licence and says "Do you recommend a good port?".Man behind the counter replies.. "Yes Dun Loaghaire Fcuk off".

Amhran Nua · 05-03-2011 02:12PM

Nodin wrote: »

Bouncer=polish now?......

No, but I'm envisioning one of the rare situations where someone might abuse a big muscular lump of a man.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-03-2011 02:16PM

Amhran Nua wrote: »

No, but I'm envisioning one of the rare situations where someone might abuse a big muscular lump of a man.

Aw ya get it.. Usually it goes along these lines..

Drunk gets messy, gets fvcked out of the bar - "Fvcking Polish <whatever> blah blah blah"..

I do a deadly Polish accent now too "Yea yea, fvcking drunken Irish man" - and have a chuckle about it.

K-9 · 05-03-2011 02:19PM

I see a long career ahead of you.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-03-2011 02:21PM

K-9 wrote: »

I see a long career ahead of you.

I'm doing door work nearly 20 years now - I hope your wrong!.

applehunter · 05-03-2011 02:25PM

Rowan Thousands Numerical wrote: »

Aw ya get it.. Usually it goes along these lines..

Drunk gets messy, gets fvcked out of the bar - "Fvcking Polish <whatever> blah blah blah"..

I do a deadly Polish accent now too "Yea yea, fvcking drunken Irish man" - and have a chuckle about it.

God I hate bouncers.

They are worse than the Polish.

K-9 · 05-03-2011 02:36PM

Rowan Thousands Numerical wrote: »

I'm doing door work nearly 20 years now - I hope your wrong!.

Sorry, it was the comedian above!

Dudess · 05-03-2011 03:09PM

Yes, some Irish people are - is there any country in the world that doesn't have a xenophobic element? No. It's not a national thing, although maybe some cultures have xenophobia more ingrained in them than others.

I know people (including some Irish people) like to depict the Irish on the whole as terribly closed-minded and ignorant, but observationally speaking anyway, it doesn't seem that unwelcoming here (yes, obviously there are isolated incidents).

UsernameInUse · 05-03-2011 04:14PM

Dudess wrote: »

Yes, some Irish people are - is there any country in the world that doesn't have a xenophobic element? No. It's not a national thing, although maybe some cultures have xenophobia more ingrained in them than others.

I know people (including some Irish people) like to depict the Irish on the whole as terribly closed-minded and ignorant, but observationally speaking anyway, it doesn't seem that unwelcoming here (yes, obviously there are isolated incidents).

It's a fact that we're stopping the evolutionary process, unintentionally.

Science says that the best, survives, and the weakest genes die off. Now, for last couple of hundred years, we've organised ourselves into countries and built invisible barriers ect ect. This is an act that impedes our species from developing as a whole.

Amazing stuff.

AhSureTisGrand · 05-03-2011 04:28PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

It's a fact that we're stopping the evolutionary process, unintentionally.

Science says that the best, survives, and the weakest genes die off. Now, for last couple of hundred years, we've organised ourselves into countries and built invisible barriers ect ect. This is an act that impedes our species from developing as a whole.

Amazing stuff.

It's ridiculous to suggest that evolution will stop for us even though our bodies are more suited to hunter-gatherers than office workers. Anyway evolution could only stop if the world ceased to change

Are Irish People Xenophobic?

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