anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Wolfe Tone · 25-02-2011 06:03PM

Or the incredibly stupid dangerous thing, the British aren't exactly renowned for protecting their informers.

Anyways, sure thats all in the past now.

So guys, how many seats?

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 06:04PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are going to have a fantastic outcome in this election.

The bitterness on this thread is hilarious by the way

No they are not.

People in this country hate Fianna Fail with a vengance. Many people would prefer to cut their right hand off than use it to vote for FF. Yet despite this they are still more popular than Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein are massively unpopular even more so than FF. They will get more votes than in the previous election but that is hardly a fantastic result.

dabestman1 · 25-02-2011 06:05PM

ignore the rants and hope SF do well, 8-9 seats wud be great.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:07PM

danbohan wrote: »

well for a country whose dirty fingers you can trace on most of todays worlds trouble spots, not to mention the mass murder of thousands of indigenous people including irish throughout history it certainly is a bit hypocritical . if you and some of your fellow posters had condemned the murderous actions of the british /loyalist /unionists in equal measure to your condemnation of sinn fein then your position would be much more credible

Sorry, I don't quite get the point you are trying to make. How is the UK relevent in any way to me reporting a hypothetical murderer? I fail to see any hypocrisy.

As to the British, Loyalists and Unionists - None of them are standing in the election. I have no problem condemning any of the actions they committed that resulted in murder.

Murder is wrong, you don't take sides and the ends most certainly do not justify the means.

PauloMN · 25-02-2011 06:09PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Or the incredibly stupid dangerous thing, the British aren't exactly renowned for protecting their informers.

Anyways, sure thats all in the past now.

So guys, how many seats?

Less than FF lol.

More wasted votes.

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 06:10PM

dabestman1 wrote: »

ignore the rants and hope SF do well, 8-9 seats wud be great.

8-9 would be a disaster for SF.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:14PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Less than FF lol. More wasted votes.

Any party that finishes up with less votes than FF in this election (greens aside) should view their campaign as a rank and dismal failure.

wee truck big driver · 25-02-2011 06:15PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

If I had know of any IRA members in the UK I would have had no qualms in reporting them to the police and doing my bit.

I was raised with a sense of right and wrong. I was raised to believe that murdering another human being was wrong in every situation. I guess you think that makes me British as well?

the ira would not in any of its form have killed even one hudreth of the people killed by the britsih army but you havent mentioned how much you hate them

danbohan · 25-02-2011 06:15PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

Sorry, I don't quite get the point you are trying to make. How is the UK relevent in any way to me reporting a hypothetical murderer? I fail to see any hypocrisy.

As to the British, Loyalists and Unionists - None of them are standing in the election. I have no problem condemning any of the actions they committed that resulted in murder.

Murder is wrong, you don't take sides and the ends most certainly do not justify the means.

dear brigadier ,
her majesty gratefully acknowledges your wish to inform on members of the IRA , we would like to point out to you that the WAR IS OVER and that wont be entirely necessary , however if you still are enthusiastic for some spy work we can arrange for you to go to Afghanistan , this might involve a little bit more danger than posting bravado nonsense on boards.ie so we ask you to consider it carefully

regards
lizzy windsor

25-02-2011 06:15PM

beeno67 wrote: »

No they are not.

People in this country hate Fianna Fail with a vengance. Many people would prefer to cut their right hand off than use it to vote for FF. Yet despite this they are still more popular than Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein are massively unpopular even more so than FF. They will get more votes than in the previous election but that is hardly a fantastic result.

Sinn Fein have 4 seats in the current Dáil.

They should double this easily and possibly even treble it.

Are you saying that a 200% per cent rise in seats may not be a fantastic result?

25-02-2011 06:18PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

Any party that finishes up with less votes than FF in this election (greens aside) should view their campaign as a rank and dismal failure.

LOL.

That's great logic there :rolleyes:

danbohan · 25-02-2011 06:19PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

LOL.

That's great logic there :rolleyes:

no , its just wishful thinking on his behalf

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:21PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

the ira would not in any of its form have killed even one hudreth of the people killed by the britsih army but you havent mentioned how much you hate them

As I have said they are not standing in the election. I abhor violence in all its forms. I have Al Qu'aida as well. Do you want a list of all the murdering doodooheads around the world that I hate?

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 06:22PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think throughout history the times that Irish people felt ashamed to be Irish were when the IRA carried out atrocities in their name.

eh.. dont think so. im proud to be irish always have and always will be.

dabestman1 wrote: »

ignore the rants and hope SF do well, 8-9 seats wud be great.

go again, id be saying closer to the 20 mark..

just curious aswell now are fg going to change their name now that they want to get rid of the irish language??????????

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 06:22PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sinn Fein have 4 seats in the current Dáil.

They should double this easily and possibly even treble it.

Are you saying that a 200% per cent rise in seats may not be a fantastic result?

I am saying being the smallest political party in the Dail is not a fantastic result. SF wanted to be the leaders of the opposition. 8 seats would be pathetic. Also as I said being less popular than Fianna Fail puts SF about as popular as Genital Warts

danbohan · 25-02-2011 06:23PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

As I have said they are not standing in the election. I abhor violence in all its forms. I have Al Qu'aida as well. Do you want a list of all the murdering doodooheads around the world that I hate?

what about the paras ? on your list ????????????????/

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:24PM

danbohan wrote: »

dear brigadier ,
her majesty gratefully acknowledges your wish to inform on members of the IRA , we would like to point out to you that the WAR IS OVER and that wont be entirely necessary , however if you still are enthusiastic for some spy work we can arrange for you to go to Afghanistan , this might involve a little bit more danger than posting bravado nonsense on boards.ie so we ask you to consider it carefully

regards
lizzy windsor

There was no war. As long as Sinn Fein seek to glorify the murdering individuals discussed above then it will remain a suitable topic.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:24PM

danbohan wrote: »

what about the paras ? on your list ????????????????/

Any that murdered - yes without hesitation.

You just don't get it do you?

westtip · 25-02-2011 06:25PM

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

OP they live in cloud cuckoo land Gerrynomics may well have been "fully costed", the cost to this country if they have any influence on Government will result int he old phrase of last one on the way out turn off he lights.

And as for Mary Lounanomics along with Gerrynomics the country would be destroyed.

Lunatics all of them.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:26PM

beeno67 wrote: »

I am saying being the smallest political party in the Dail is not a fantastic result. SF wanted to be the leaders of the opposition. 8 seats would be pathetic. Also as I said being less popular than Fianna Fail puts SF about as popular as Genital Warts

I think Maggie Thatcher would get more votes than FF if she tried.

PauloMN · 25-02-2011 06:26PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sinn Fein have 4 seats in the current Dáil.

They should double this easily and possibly even treble it.

Are you saying that a 200% per cent rise in seats may not be a fantastic result?

Certainly a gain for them, but in a deep recession, to take less seats than the outgoing disaster that is FF just highlights that most people are not falling for the populist stuff like increased welfare, the welfare bonus, reversing cuts etc..

It proves that while the protest vote has been mobilised by SF (and they've done that well to give them credit), people who think beyond a protest vote are not convinced by either their policies or the IRA links.

All the tit-for-tat stuff aside and being completely frank - Doherty has done well for SF to give him his due. Very clever move to jump on the by-election, and FF totally screwed that up. They are sublime at exposing a weakness and targetting it, but I guess that's something they've a lot of experience at.

The positive for SF is attracting and retaining people like Doherty. People like him might freshen up the image of SF, with them eventually ditching the IRA connections completely. If that happens, I could see them taking some Labour vote and becoming a bit stronger, however even then I think they'll always be outside of the mainstream parties due to their policies, and the fact that they aim their policies at a very specific group compared with other parties.

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 06:29PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

I think Maggie Thatcher would get more votes than FF if she tried.

She would certainly get more than Sinn Fein

25-02-2011 06:32PM

beeno67 wrote: »

I am saying being the smallest political party in the Dail is not a fantastic result. SF wanted to be the leaders of the opposition. 8 seats would be pathetic. Also as I said being less popular than Fianna Fail puts SF about as popular as Genital Warts

your bitter posts make me smile

Nodin · 25-02-2011 06:33PM

LordSutch wrote: »

But its not goading Nodin, and its not Faux outrage either, and if you wearnt so close to the trees, you might think about your beloved movement in a different light.

That post wasn't aimed at you. And yes, constant comparisons to the BNP and Nazis are indeed goading.

I'm fully aware of the violence, believe it or not. Whilst I wouldn't stand over all of what happened, in principle I supported the overall armed struggle, as I felt it was nessecary.

25-02-2011 06:33PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

Any that murdered - yes without hesitation.

You just don't get it do you?

How about FF and FG's voilent past?

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 06:33PM

beeno67 wrote: »

I am saying being the smallest political party in the Dail is not a fantastic result. SF wanted to be the leaders of the opposition. 8 seats would be pathetic. Also as I said being less popular than Fianna Fail puts SF about as popular as Genital Warts

why who in your opinion will be the smallest political party in the dail???

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:35PM

Nodin wrote: »

That post wasn't aimed at you. And yes, constant comparisons to the BNP and Nazis are indeed goading.

Sinn Fein are an extremist party. Comparisons to other extremist political parties is only logical.

Nodin · 25-02-2011 06:35PM

beeno67 wrote: »

I am saying being the smallest political party in the Dail is not a fantastic result. SF wanted to be the leaders of the opposition. 8 seats would be pathetic. Also as I said being less popular than Fianna Fail puts SF about as popular as Genital Warts

PauloNM wrote:

Certainly a gain for them, but in a deep recession, to take less seats than the outgoing disaster that is FF just highlights that most people are not falling for the populist stuff like increased welfare, the welfare bonus, reversing cuts etc..

Pre-emptive goal post moving?

beeno67 · 25-02-2011 06:36PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

your bitter posts make me smile

I am not bitter. I am stating facts. After this election SF will be the smallest party unless the greens can muster a seat. They will get substantially less votes and seats than the deeply unpopular FF. What is bitter about that? Do you feel I am wrong.?

SF had great hopes for this election, including leading the opposition. They will fail miserably in that. How can you possibly view it as a great success? They are just not failing as badly as they previously failed.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 06:36PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

why who in your opinion will be the smallest political party in the dail???

Well if the Greens get only 1 seat that makes them an Independent.

I can't see any other party getting less seats than Sinn Fein.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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