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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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  • #2522
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    wee truck big driver wrote: »
    i couldnt give a flyin fcuk what what the ordianry men and women of ireland want
    Evidently. Too bad that "ordinary" people i.e. reasonable and sensible people are the ones that will lead Ireland and are in the much greater majority.
    as far as iam concerned if your not republican your not irish
    The mind boggles.


  • #2523
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    Coreleoine wrote: »
    As a former tru blood FF supporter I now vote,as a matter of protest, for SF and other Left Wing Parties. Mary Lou McDonald and Joe Higgins speak clearly and concisely about what concerns the average man in the street. I am sick and tired of the babbling Martin, insipid Kenny and talk the talk (only) Gilmore.


    1 post and this is it?

    Well, I say Hello, Mary Lou.......


  • #2524
    Gypsies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Gypsies


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    1 post and this is it?

    Well, I say Hello, Mary Lou.......

    ....Goodbye Heart (don't think she has one)..


  • #2525
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Of course many Irish people have a hatred for them :rolleyes: I am old enough to remember the 70s, 80s, 90s
    I remember them too. And I remember all the way through having a succession of sleazy backhander politician scumbags from FF to FG to PD to GP to Labour sell this country down the swanny (or to German investors more accurately).
    I know which issue is a million times more important right now.


  • #2526
    lugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    FUNKY LOVER wrote: »
    i wonder how many anti sf people here would still take the same stance if they happen to be born across the border and witnessed their friends family etc been shot by loyalists and pulled from their homes.if they say they yould have let this happen and not defended themselves I would be shocked.totally different lives down here to up there.
    :rolleyes: I suppose you missed by post on this point about 4 before your one?


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  • #2527
    wee truck big driver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    I'm hardly surprised that our pet shinner of the day is an expert on the recruiting status of one of the NI terrorist bodies.

    i do not know any terrorists and can safely say that while i have seen plenty i dont know any by name and am only stating what is being reported in the paper given your title you would most likely be in a better position on how well the recruitment is going for the terrorists


  • #2528
    Gypsies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Gypsies


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I remember them too. And I remember all the way through having a succession of sleazy backhander politician scumbags from FF to FG to PD to GP to Labour sell this country down the swanny (or to German investors more accurately).
    I know which issue is a million times more important right now.

    We are all suffering because of the sleazy backhander politicians, but better them than SF terrorists leading this country. Greed over Fear in my book.


  • #2529
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    lugha wrote: »
    No, it won't cheer most of us but it's to be expected. People go to strange places when times are hard. Interesting you should take about doubling. Didn't the BNP double their share if the vote in the UK last year? ;)
    Let's wait and see when (if!) times return to something like normal if the lads grow, or even retain their current support.

    I think I pointed our earlier the similarities between the BNP and Sinn Fein in their approach. Both are appealing to the disenfranchised and take populist politics to their nadir.

    Without intentionally invoking Godwin's Law, the National Socialists in Germany rose to power on the same ticket.


  • #2530
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    wee truck big driver wrote: »
    i do not know any terrorists and can safely say that while i have seen plenty i dont know any by name and am only stating what is being reported in the paper given your title you would most likely be in a better position on how well the recruitment is going for the terrorists

    My handle is a reference to the Dr. Who character.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I abhor violence.


  • #2531
    wee truck big driver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    My handle is a reference to the Dr. Who character.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I abhor violence.

    that makes two of us then


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  • #2532
    FUNKY LOVER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 905 ✭✭✭FUNKY LOVER


    lugha wrote: »
    Ah yes, this again.
    I suppose I could point out that it isn't particularly this activity of PIRA that most of us have an issue with but there subsequent presumption to have the authority to represent Irish people despite been repeatedly told "not in our name". But I have done so many times before and no doubt you'll refuse to address it like the rest of the republicans (:pac:) do.
    So I won't bother.:cool:

    What I don't see your point?you hate the paira for saying they represent the Irish but not for murder?


  • #2533
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    LordSutch wrote: »
    D you mean 'Agree with us' or else?

    Surely we are allowed to condemn a prescribed terrorist organisation? or must all irish people tow the SF/IRA line, & Obey :cool:


    Don't you mean PROscribed?
    :D

    (Sorry, I couldn't resist)


  • #2534
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    wee truck big driver wrote: »
    that makes two of us then

    Excellent - always glad to meet another Dr. Who fan.


  • #2535
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I remember them too. And I remember all the way through having a succession of sleazy backhander politician scumbags from FF to FG to PD to GP to Labour sell this country down the swanny (or to German investors more accurately).
    I know which issue is a million times more important right now.

    Yes, I agree with you about the sleezy backhander politician scumbags, but personally speaking I find SF particularly distasteful, not in a backhander kinda way, but because they really did want to usurp the State, they were/are the enemy within IMO, they were/are? the political wing of the PIRA, and the thought of them actually Governing us is just one bridge too far for me, personally.

    I'm out of this thread 4 good, me blood pressure is getting too high :)

    Over & out, bye . . . . .


  • #2536
    SEVERA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    it is my belief as a republican Irishman, that much of the anti sinn fein sentiment being voiced in this thread is not through hatred but through fear.
    fear of having to think outside the box. fear of having to standing up against the parish pump politics that has us on our knees, politics where the chosen few gain, to the cost of many humble hard working decent Irish men and women.
    its time to stand up,stand up for change
    its time to vote without fear
    now is the time to vote sinn fein


  • #2537
    KIERAN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭KIERAN1


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    I think I pointed our earlier the similarities between the BNP and Sinn Fein in their approach. Both are appealing to the disenfranchised and take populist politics to their nadir.

    Without intentionally invoking Godwin's Law, the National Socialists in Germany rose to power on the same ticket.

    Comparing The BNP AND Sinn Fein really is showing how out of touch you are with reality.


  • #2538
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    SEVERA wrote: »
    it is my belief as a republican Irishman, that much of the anti sinn fein sentiment being voiced in this thread is not through hatred but through fear.
    fear of having to think outside the box. fear of having to standing up against the parish pump politics that has us on our knees, politics where the chosen few gain, to the cost of many humble hard working decent Irish men and women.
    its time to stand up,stand up for change
    its time to vote without fear
    now is the time to vote sinn fein

    No, I think most of it is disgust.


  • #2539
    wee truck big driver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    Excellent - always glad to meet another Dr. Who fan.

    some of the props and special effects where very poor


  • #2540
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    wee truck big driver wrote: »
    some of the props and special effects where very poor

    NOW you are crossing the line.


  • #2541
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    KIERAN1 wrote: »
    Comparing The BNP AND Sinn Fein really is showing how out of touch you are with reality.

    Not at all. Both target the economically vulnerable and prey on their fears. Both are great for getting involved in 'local issues'. Both jump on populist bandwagons. Both are completely clueless when it comes to policy.


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  • #2542
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    KIERAN1 wrote: »
    Seen terrible terrorist atrocities on your TV screen should trouble a sane mind, but my point of view is the North was not a sane place for long periods of history. The Catholic Community in the North tried their best to get civil rights, but were often stopped from marching and often marchers were physically attacked by the Protestant B-specials the Police force of Northern Ireland. Is it any wonder Catholic men were drawn to violent confrontation.

    exactly,.. a big argument here from the anti SF camp was the violence etc. but dont forget to throw into the mix that nationalists and republicans couldnt go about their ways by other means 'why didnt they use their votes etc and do what they do today' you might hear from the ff/fg 'rs well they tried that and look what happened did you ever hear of gerrymandering. 'so why didnt they have peaceful protests' is another question they throw out, did you see what happened on bloody sunday.

    nationalist in the north were persecuted for years just because of creed etc. but its funny because you would never hear the same condemnation of the loyalist hit squads etc, or even the 'ex' loyalists who now are members of unionist parties from our 'golden boys' in ff/fg. no they are welcomed with open arms and sure we'll even go one further and let you have a provocative parade down our main thoroughfare.

    the i.r.a was the defence for those people, some of the incidents over the years were unfortunate theres no denying that but at that time and place they were a neccessity for those people to survive. and SF were the voice for those people they were the ones who stood up and used their politics to help these people become equals and to have a say.


  • #2543
    wee truck big driver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Yes, I agree with you about the sleezy backhander politician scumbags, but personally speaking I find SF particularly distasteful, not in a backhander kinda way, but because they really did want to usurp the State, they were/are the enemy within IMO, they were/are? the political wing of the PIRA, and the thought of them actually Governing us is just one bridge too far for me, personally.

    I'm out of this thread 4 good, me blood pressure is getting too high :)

    Over & out, bye . . . . .

    its not good at your age better sit back in your armchair with a brandy and cigar and remember the good times when the unionists had control over northern ireland and conor cruise o brien was minister for education now just nod off and have sweet dreams about enda and the queen, ireland getting rid of the euro and taking sterling back


  • #2544
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    exactly,.. a big argument here from the anti SF camp was the violence etc. but dont forget to throw into the mix that nationalists and republicans couldnt go about their ways by other means 'why didnt they use their votes etc and do what they do today' you might hear from the ff/fg 'rs well they tried that and look what happened did you ever hear of gerrymandering. 'so why didnt they have peaceful protests' is another question they throw out, did you see what happened on bloody sunday.

    nationalist in the north were persecuted for years just because of creed etc. but its funny because you would never hear the same condemnation of the loyalist hit squads etc, or even the 'ex' loyalists who now are members of unionist parties from our 'golden boys' in ff/fg. no they are welcomed with open arms and sure we'll even go one further and let you have a provocative parade down our main thoroughfare.

    the i.r.a was the defence for those people, some of the incidents over the years were unfortunate theres no denying that but at that time and place they were a neccessity for those people to survive. and SF were the voice for those people they were the ones who stood up and used their politics to help these people become equals and to have a say.

    I don't believe any of the loyalist parties are standing in this election.

    I am certain that if they were they would be on the receiving end of exactly the same criticism.


  • #2545
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Fine Gael are not Tories :rolleyes:

    .
    I would say more they are FF Butt chums so enjoy voting them and when they stick to you dont moan because you were warned.
    LordSutch wrote: »
    Of course many Irish people have a hatred for them :rolleyes: I am old enough to remember the 70s, 80s, 90s, I remember the Bombs & the bullets, I remember the bits of bodies being scraped off the pavements (courtesy of Republican Bombs) and most of all I remember the refusal of Adams & Sinn Fein to condemn the IRA death squads, and that is why I hate them, Yes the Loyalist side were scum too, and 'Yes' the security forces had many bad apples among their rank, but the PIRA were the main terrorist engine maintaining the troubles for as long as they did, right up until 94', when they just called an end to the deaths, and they stopped - just like that!

    Adams began to gain votes after the IRA murders stopped, but the fact remains that he was involved with the PIRA (in one way or another), and he would never condemn the murders perpetrated by the PIRA, so yeah, maybe I dont like him or his movement, to put it mildly . . .

    I wish you would ever speak for yourself and let others speak for themselves and stop making comments about .Because they may be shy to say it out in open for fear of running into people like yourself so not to be badgered and preached at.
    Oh yes he did and i put up links to them here that he did.So stop lying.


  • #2546
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Yes, I agree with you about the sleezy backhander politician scumbags, but personally speaking I find SF particularly distasteful, not in a backhander kinda way, but because they really did want to usurp the State, they were/are the enemy within IMO
    Even if they're voted in?:D


  • #2547
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    Not at all. Both target the economically vulnerable and prey on their fears.
    Yeah, what could be more despicable than looking after the poor in society and addressing their concerns.:rolleyes:
    And by the next election, that'll be everybody BTW.


  • #2548
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    The Brigadier wrote: »
    I don't believe any of the loyalist parties are standing in this election.

    I am certain that if they were they would be on the receiving end of exactly the same criticism.

    they might as well be with the likes of ff/fg

    is it not all you anti SF clan that are dragging up incidents etc that should be confined to history.


  • #2549
    The Brigadier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭The Brigadier


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Yeah, what could be more despicable than looking after the poor in society and addressing their concerns.:rolleyes:
    And by the next election, that'll be everybody BTW.

    Again, it is hard to resist this but that is the same thing that let the national socialists into power in Germany.


  • #2550
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    celtictiger32 wrote: »
    they might as well be with the likes of ff/fg

    is it not all you anti SF clan that are dragging up incidents etc that should be confined to history.


    Its because they dont want to move on but do want to move on with the other sceanrio ,and expect people to move on with what happened to our own country women and men and children.They have Stockholm Syndrome or something along them lines.


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  • #2551
    darraghdoc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭darraghdoc


    Bertie Amern should b reelected


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