anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Gypsies · 20-02-2011 11:04PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

so what your saying is that because she was a woman she should have been allowed to continue informing and putting soliders lives at risk. the fact of the matter is if it had not been for informers (who where in in for money) the war would have been over long before it was and there would have been a lot less lifes lost

I'm not saying that at all - I'm just stating a fact that most decent people would agree with. SFers and IRA Supporters will continue to stand up and be proud and make excuses for what this woman suffered. She was guilty of nothing but Humanity and paid a heavy price for it. Of course the IRA had to come up with some story to justify killing her! And there are enough pitiful people out there who believe it, obviously. The same people who have a romantic idea of the IRA and their fight for freedom. But I am convinced the majority saw her murder for what it really was - a cowardly, horrific, brutal and fearsome attack on a woman and a mother. I'm signing out of this thread. I have said my piece. We are all entitled to our own thoughts & beliefs. Sinn Fein & Gerry Adams have a sordid and dark past - too sordid & dark for my liking. They will never get my vote. Slan..

boyle betty 1957 · 20-02-2011 11:08PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe Gerry could have a word with the party faithful in Leitrim.

http://uk.altermedia.info/general/racist-sinn-fein_471.html

did gerry adams hit any one with a hurley.no
was gerry adams there no

did enda kenny make a racial slur in front of a large crowd of people, yes

PulsW · 20-02-2011 11:25PM

According to Sinn Fein, The amalgamation of the national pension reserve, the national exchequer fund and various sovereign bonds equate to about 30 billion euro. This money, if Sinn Fein is sure is there, will be more than enough to cover the 18 Billion euro sovereign debt.

And as for people taking about Jean Mc Conville, although I don't condone what happened to her, you have to look at it in perspective. She was basically a protestant, albeit an ex-protestant, who lived on the Falls road in 1972, a time when allegations of being an informant, especially when the accused had a known past, were not exactly taken lightly by either side.

caseyann · 21-02-2011 12:50AM

If SF doesnt get in we will be back voting in about 7 months time to a year, lol :mad:

boyle betty 1957 · 21-02-2011 01:06AM

Gypsies wrote: »

Funny how all the Sinn Feiners & IRA supporters believe that this innocent mother of 10 was murdered because she was an Informer. The McConville family have already been told too many lies and suffered enough. But by their statements the IRA and Gerry Adams continue to rub salt in the wounds.

The IRA took the recently-widowed Jean McConville away from her children and beat her up before letting her return home, then returned the following day (just 18 days before Christmas) and dragged her away in front of her screaming children, before torturing her, killing her, and dumping her body in an unmarked shallow grave.

They didn’t even have the decency to admit to the killing until 27 years later. There is NOTHING that can excuse this!

how do you know she was not an Informer, http://www.irishcentral.com/news/New-Informer-evidence-in-infamous-IRA-execution-case-89369902.html

Soldie · 21-02-2011 01:30AM

In response to the original poster: Absolutely not.

Sinn Féin's economic illiteracy is exceeded only by the ULA. At a time when we have a €20 billion deficit, Sinn Féin want to scrap the USC, reverse the cuts in the 2011 budget (i.e. increase the deficit), and are pledging to spend €9.28 billion in an off-the-wall 10-point job creation plan (i.e. increase the number of people on the state's payroll). Apparently, all of this can be paid for by telling the bondholders to get stuffed, and by imposing punitive taxes on the productive sector of the economy. You couldn't make it up.

And that's not to mention the copious amount of blood on Sinn Féin's hands.

I think there are only two types of people who are prepared to vote for Sinn Féin: The clueless and the desperate, who are prepared to accept Sinn Féin's painless snake oil remedy for the economy, and the die-hard Republicans, whose unshakeable desire for a united Ireland sees them unconditionally back the only ones who prioritise that goal -- the political wing of a terrorist organisation that is responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people.

Davypat · 21-02-2011 01:38AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

spot on

Have any one of you read the policy document?

Get In There · 21-02-2011 01:50AM

Not into politics in the slightest but after watching Hands On's election special on RTE1 earlier today with my father and sister, we're voting SF purely on the basis out of the five parties, they were the only one who pledged to be fully committed to the campaign to get ISL (Irish Sign Language) recongised as the third official language of Ireland. So I'm willing to overlook their affilation to the IRA for the good of the ISL recongition campaign which has been ongoing for far too long.

boyle betty 1957 · 21-02-2011 02:38AM

Soldie wrote: »

In response to the original poster: Absolutely not.

Sinn Féin's economic illiteracy is exceeded only by the ULA. At a time when we have a €20 billion deficit, Sinn Féin want to scrap the USC, reverse the cuts in the 2011 budget (i.e. increase the deficit), and are pledging to spend €9.28 billion in an off-the-wall 10-point job creation plan (i.e. increase the number of people on the state's payroll). Apparently, all of this can be paid for by telling the bondholders to get stuffed, and by imposing punitive taxes on the productive sector of the economy. You couldn't make it up.

And that's not to mention the copious amount of blood on Sinn Féin's hands.

I think there are only two types of people who are prepared to vote for Sinn Féin: The clueless and the desperate, who are prepared to accept Sinn Féin's painless snake oil remedy for the economy, and the die-hard Republicans, whose unshakeable desire for a united Ireland sees them unconditionally back the only ones who prioritise that goal -- the political wing of a terrorist organisation that is responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people.

Sinn Féin want to scrap the USC.no they want people on 100,000 a year to pay it

same old tune.this banker bail out is a scam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRgeGDm97dw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYI6ktNfLdU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b7-gDCGMpI

loads more videos on youtube of people who know what their talking about and not just having a wild guess like most on here.

all telling the same story imf are bad for your country

LordSutch · 21-02-2011 11:39AM

To all those who are thinking about voting for Sinn Fein, have a look at the latest RTE 'Front Line' programme http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1092187 from beginning to end (including the Adams interview 25 mins in . . .), fascinating stuff indeed, but for all the wrong reasons

) and to be quite honest, Adams economic policies are just laughable, go on listen to the interview again, they are totally pie in the sky, and why anybody would vote for those economic policies is hard to comprehend.

And what is this Red Cent he keeps going on about

wurzlitzer · 21-02-2011 12:03PM

red C poll

The opinion poll

it is his strong northern accent

Did Gerry mention anything about making a Staaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnndd?

Scotty # · 21-02-2011 12:08PM

how come most SF supporters on Boards have very few posts? Is it just the same person trying to make it look there are more?

LordSutch · 21-02-2011 12:12PM

And how come there are just soo many Sinn fein threads :cool:

KIERAN1 · 21-02-2011 02:10PM

It funny and amusing to see previous Fianna Fáil supporters now backing the Fianna Gael party to win! Anyway, Fianna Gael now too is realising this country is very likely to default before 2013, as the interest rate and debts, can not be afforded by the Irish taxpayer. So were Sinn Féin not telling the truth to the Irish people, before the general election was called?

Sinn fein are of the opinion, Ireland can't afford the banking debts, but we do need to sort out the sovereign debt crisis in the Republic of Ireland.

Fianna Gael, and Labour, are of the opinion. This country must get a lower the interest rate from the European union and the IMF, to pay the loan back, but Ireland has to pay for the "Private" banking debts, and also fix the deficit in the Irish yearly budget, to keep the country running.

The reason "Why" we can't borrow from the bond markets, is this country has a private banking debt on the books of between 170 billion to 200 billion...The bond Market will not provide loans when the borrower might not be able to pay you back "IOU"

The budget deficit is 15 to 19 billion every year, but you bring that down reducing costs and cutting expenditure= Irish owned debt caused by reckless spenting by FF!

The banking private debt was not the cause of the Irish people, so sorry, we should not be paying this ever !...

Sinn Fein was the party that got the IRA to the table for Political discussion. It would never have happened without them. While nobody will makes excuses for the killing of innocents in the UK and Northern Ireland.There was a conflict going on in the North 21 years ago, both communities were openly fighting each other for control of that small country. We are hypocrites down here and can not see the obvious, the IRA would never been, if no threat existed to their communities, to me, organised crime is very different. as you have thugs in it for selfish reasons and for their own financial gain. The IRA had some crazies in it, but for the most part members of the organisation, were in it to protect their families and their neighbours from loyalist parlimentaries and vice versa.

caseyann · 21-02-2011 02:24PM

Pal wrote: »

Perhaps the Adams fans might have a read of today's Sunday Independent Analysis page 15 and then can come back and tell us again what a great guy he is.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/adams-finds-dead-not-gone-away-2548017.html

Its now a realistic possibility that the good people of Louth will reject Gerry Adams.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elections/latest-news/adams-again-denies-role-in-mcconville-murder-2548886.html

Mr Adams again attempted to distance himself from any involvement in the death of Ms McConville, who was accused by the IRA of being an informer -- a claim her family deny.

"I respect their (the McConvilles) right to protest. I have to say that in whatever strongest way possible I can articulate it, that I had nothing to do with the abduction and the killing," he said.

"I have condemned it. I have apologised for it because Irish republicans committed that offence.

I wont have to because people who throw mud should make sure it doesnt come back to stick on them.

bamboozle · 21-02-2011 02:27PM

never have, never will.

KIERAN1 · 21-02-2011 02:43PM

I will be voting for Sinn Fein and Labour.

FG are going to win this election though, as some people in Ireland, do not to learn from their voting mistakes. Voting for parties similar to each other in viewpoint and outlook, will not get you change that you desire. Can't wait to read the comments about Fianna Gael policy a few months from now, should be interesting reading.

3ndahalfof6 · 21-02-2011 03:34PM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I will be voting for Sinn Fein and Labour.

FG are going to win this election though, as some people in Ireland, do not to learn from their voting mistakes. Voting for parties similar to each other in viewpoint and outlook, will not get you change that you desire. Can't wait to read the comments about Fianna Gael policy a few months from now, should be interesting reading.

Do you think there will still be juice in the cables by then, it could be zombie state by then.

21-02-2011 03:44PM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

The budget deficit is 15 to 19 billion every year, but you bring that down reducing costs and cutting expenditure= Irish owned debt caused by reckless spenting by FF!

How? crunch the numbers there for me please.
We've about 3 billion in extra taxes.
We've 2 billion saved on interest on the €50 billion we don't pay to nama or to the remaining banking related bonds that fall due.

We're left with a deficit of €14 billion to finance after the existing cuts are reversed.

Would the merger of BOI and AIB as proposed by SF mean any job losses there? We'll still have 2 branches side by side on the same street?
How is that bank to be capitalised ? It has to have funds behind it's existing loans and to advance new ones to business.

Soldie · 21-02-2011 04:23PM

boyle betty 1957 wrote: »

Sinn Féin want to scrap the USC.no they want people on 100,000 a year to pay it

same old tune.this banker bail out is a scam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRgeGDm97dw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYI6ktNfLdU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b7-gDCGMpI

loads more videos on youtube of people who know what their talking about and not just having a wild guess like most on here.

all telling the same story imf are bad for your country

Sinn Féin want to tell the bondholders to get stuffed, which will mean that Ireland will not be able to raise money through bond auctions for a very long time. What that means is that any government expenditure will have to be funded entirely by taxation. Instead of wanting to cut expenditure so that it falls in line with tax revenues, Sinn Féin are seeking to reverse the cuts made in the 2011 budget, and to scrap the USC. This will increase the deficit from its current €20 billion, but, if that insanity wasn't enough, Sinn Féin are also pledging to spend €9.28 billion in an absurd job creation program. A first-year sociology student could probably come up with an economic recovery plan that makes more sense than that.

Adrian009 · 21-02-2011 04:29PM

Adams's membership of the IRA is, in a way, irrelevant. Because since the 1960's he has staunchly defended them and all their actions. He has acted as their mouthpeice, and never once denounced their atrocities. Not even today. How can we expect him to act honourably towards our country (which he does not even live in) when he is a staunch defender of those who killed thousands of Irish people? Its bad enough having Martin Ferris welcoming the killers of Garda Gerry McCabe back in civilian life. Do we really need another provo-apologist in the Dail? We've enough criminals in the place as it is!

Adrian009 · 21-02-2011 04:31PM

I don't understand how you can vote for SF, a party that endorsed the murder of thousands of Irish people. Why on earth do they deserve seats in the Dail?

dabestman1 · 21-02-2011 05:18PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

Why on earth do they deserve seats in the Dail?

Its called democracy, look it up.

Adrian009 · 21-02-2011 05:34PM

That's a soundbite, not an answer. Still waiting. After all, I have a vote waiting to be used. Try me.

anne1960 · 21-02-2011 05:43PM

Firstly the SDLP took them screaming and kicking with their opposite thugs the DUP to the table.It did take them over 20years but they eventually dragged them there.
Since that they are the kings of the castle oppose policing not because of history but because they do NOT want policing now or ever...Police get in the way of organized crime.
Then they continue to kill maim and terrorize up to the present day..
Listen up if you don't want this in the South as well...

Regards
A nationalist all my life but not through torture and intimidation..

Wolfe Tone · 21-02-2011 05:44PM

anne1960 wrote: »

Firstly the SDLP took them screaming and kicking with their opposite thugs the DUP to the table.It did take them over 20years but they eventually dragged them there.
Since that they are the kings of the castle oppose policing not because of history but because they do NOT want policing now or ever...Police get in the way of organized crime.
Then they continue to kill maim and terrorize up to the present day..
Listen up if you don't want this in the South as well...

Regards
A nationalist all my life but not through torture and intimidation..

Thats so wrong I dont know where to start

dmaxontour · 21-02-2011 05:50PM

anne1960 wrote: »

Firstly the SDLP took them screaming and kicking with their opposite thugs the DUP to the table.It did take them over 20years but they eventually dragged them there.
Since that they are the kings of the castle oppose policing not because of history but because they do NOT want policing now or ever...Police get in the way of organized crime.
Then they continue to kill maim and terrorize up to the present day..
Listen up if you don't want this in the South as well...

Regards
A nationalist all my life but not through torture and intimidation..

Actually, the atmosphere in the SDLP was against John Hume entering into the talks with Gerry Adams which eventually helped pave the way to the '94 IRA ceasefire. It was only then that the SDLP party got behind their leader.
The difference between life in the North then and now is massive and credit is due to those within the Republican movement as well as the Loyalists who argued and persuaded the ceasefires.
Sorry, but the quoted post above is nonsense.

Adrian009 · 21-02-2011 05:54PM

Well, start somewhere.

Adrian009 · 21-02-2011 05:58PM

So we're supposed to be GRATEFUL for the provos to eventually coming around to the way of the majority? Gimme a break! SF have stood by all and every action committed by the IRA. Fianna Fail may have created ghost estates, but Sinn Fein supported the creation of ghosts. I don't see how electing the likes of them to the Dail helps Ireland (or Northern Ireland).

Wolfe Tone · 21-02-2011 06:11PM

The issues would have not been addressed without armed struggle. Sure, it went to far, but the point remains.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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