anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

to tall for yous · 20-02-2011 08:20PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Not to mention the British when they gave her a second transmitter

he said alot before he died.he was very bitter over sinn fein selling them out as he put it.he said he took orders from adams.and he said adams never fired a gun in his life i think thats on yourtube.but im still voting sf:eek:

to tall for yous · 20-02-2011 08:27PM

wurzlitzer wrote: »

I really pity you
Need to become more informed

I agree with some of the posters, people who have already decided to vote SF either are misinformed or really do accept their faults, their crap economic policies and their terrorist pasts

Tbh if they get in as much as 16%, let it be, but time will tell if they will be as successful in the GE 2015

That is if we don't have a labour / fine Gael hung dail when they fall out over public service reform and the interest rates we pay the bonders

Now I am the One with the crystal ball;)

ifyou look over the posts on this thread you will find all the answer to your rubbish post.

wurzlitzer · 20-02-2011 08:42PM

to tall for yous wrote: »

ifyou look over the posts on this thread you will find all the answer to your rubbish post.

Rubbish post you have a bare cheek me shinner loving friend
I have been following the thread and your arguments ring hollow,
At least I can spell!

Here now I am not going to rise to this...
Why don't you caseyann wolftone just get a room

How dare you condone what happened to Jean mc conville!

This thread is turning into a party political broadcast for the shinners
Time to unfollow

Excuse me I am going to bow out of this thread for the time being

I

puffdragon · 20-02-2011 08:45PM

Yep voting Sinn Fein and so are all of my family and most of my extended family im afraid, seems the mud-slinging did'nt stick most of them are struggling, unemployed, angry, or just want areal change in our political system.

In a family of almost twenty people gathered for the usual sunday visit the overall consensus seems to be as follows:

Fine Gael,-- No Change
Labour -- No Change and bad local candidates
Fianna Fail-- Cant repeat on here what was said.
Sinn Fein -- Chance for change if in opposition and a promise of radical overhaul of political system

LordSutch · 20-02-2011 08:50PM

Jim236 wrote: »

Are you for real? So its ok for the state forces of the UK to engage in terrorism, just because they're the UK state forces? Wow...and you call my comments disgraceful. Unbelievable.

Ah yes, the old gane of equating the terrorists with the security forces, therby giving them equal status :rolleyes: whilst at the same time giving 'The Cause' a legitimate face! > Well, I dont buy it sonny, not for one moment, and I still say that all the atrocities that I have listed above (Post#2002) are not acceptable, should not be acceptable in a civilised society, and should not by advertised on the Sinn Fein website (see Sinn Fein/IRAmerchandise).

Jim236 wrote: »

Since when is war ever civilised? Thats exactly my point, you're looking at the actions of the IRA from a modern perspective.

"Your war" was a Terrorist campaign, nothing more, nothing less :mad:

Wolfe Tone · 20-02-2011 08:53PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Ah yes, the old gane of equating the terrorists with the security forces, therby giving them equal status :rolleyes: whilst at the same time giving 'The Cause' a legitimate face! > Well, I dont buy it sonny, not for one moment, and I still say that all the atrocities that I have listed above (Post#2002) are not acceptable, should not be acceptable in a civilised society, and should not by advertised on the Sinn Fein website (see Sinn Fein/IRAmerchandise).

"Your war" was a Terrorist campaign, nothing more, nothing less :mad:

Throw us up a few examples of what you mean when talking about their merchandise, a few links perhaps, or pics

LordSutch · 20-02-2011 09:07PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Throw us up a few examples of what you mean when talking about their merchandise, a few links perhaps, or pics

See right hand column under 'Best Sellers' http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/index.php

:rolleyes: Dear Lord.

Wolfe Tone · 20-02-2011 09:09PM

Ah sure we all do...

This seems to be the most objectionable?

wee truck big driver · 20-02-2011 09:13PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Eh... no. There is an arm of the state that has been extremely successful in "taxing" criminals. It is called the Criminal Assets Bureau.

The diiference is that the money CAB collects goes to the state whereas the money collected by the IRA went to fund more criminality and finance one political party.

funny how one of your friends or perhaps even youself stated that it cost cab more to operate than they generate so it would be more profitable for the irish taxpayer to disband them maybe fine gael will include them in their cull of jobs ( sure it makes more sense to have people on the dole than in meaningful employment )

puffdragon · 20-02-2011 09:38PM

Here sure if I was going to collect war memorabilia then I'd try this;

http://www.pzg.biz/shirts_t-shirts_reliable.htm#PO3251

On the other hand if I were truly worried about Ireland TODAY AND TOMORROW, then I think I'd find something more important to argue about!!

Capt'n Midnight · 20-02-2011 09:43PM

Jim236 wrote: »

Its hard to be effective in the Dáil when you only have 4 seats(as of 2007 election), and abstain from the Westminster parliament(and rightly so).

Tell that to the PD's
or the late Tony Gregory
or the way many parties have added green policies when the greens had just one TD

It's not hard to be effective in the Dáil with 4 TD's if you are willing to deal with the other parties and they with you. How many times have independents held the balance of power ???

The point is that SF are ineffective because they wont or can't deal with the parties that form governments in the Dáil

wee truck big driver · 20-02-2011 09:54PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Tell that to the PD's
or the late Tony Gregory
or the way many parties have added green policies when the greens had just one TD

It's not hard to be effective in the Dáil with 4 TD's if you are willing to deal with the other parties and they with you. How many times have independents held the balance of power ???

The point is that SF are ineffective because they wont or can't deal with the parties that form governments in the Dáil

nice one the p.ds where so effective that they created the mess we are in now
the greens where so effective because they continued to make the mess even bigger while acheiving none of their objectives
and tony gregory merely looked after his own interests (is that what you recomend our next goverment do)
its nice to see sinn fein have some principles and wont prop up a goverment that they have nothing in common with just to get into power and get you ministerial pensions

Capt'n Midnight · 20-02-2011 09:54PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So when evaluating and discussing the IRA you ignore the context of the day, ah I see.

There is no justification for armed struggle in a democracy.

Conditions for legitimate defense by military force

# the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
# all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
# there must be serious prospects of success;
# the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated.

How do you expect people to think SF have changed when some supporters still try to justify what is in their eyes unjustifiable ?

Wolfe Tone · 20-02-2011 09:58PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There is no justification for armed struggle in a democracy.

Conditions for legitimate defense by military force

How do you expect people to think SF have changed when some supporters still try to justify what is in their eyes unjustifiable ?

Tell that to Pearse and co so. We will ignore the aul gerrymandering etc when we are at it too

boyle betty 1957 · 20-02-2011 10:13PM

id vote adams over kenny any day.

why should we forget about this http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/******-joke-reveals-ignorance-of-racism-503626.html

Capt'n Midnight · 20-02-2011 10:15PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Bet she didn't mention her mother was a British informer?

The only people to make this claim are SF / IRA. Wasn't her the only case where Nuala O'Loan publicly announced someone's status as an informer or not.

Dont forget at least one of her kids where in the INLA

LOL
Even if he was what has that got to do with the price of eggs ?

What point are you trying to make here to those who might consider voting for SF
Were the INLA fellow travellers ?
Were they worse than the IRA ?
Were they the enemy ?
or that SF have put all that stuff in the past ?

Wolfe Tone · 20-02-2011 10:20PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The only people to make this claim are SF / IRA. Wasn't her the only case where Nuala O'Loan publicly announced someone's status as an informer or not.

LOL
Even if he was what has that got to do with the price of eggs ?

What point are you trying to make here to those who might consider voting for SF
Were the INLA fellow travellers ?
Were they worse than the IRA ?
Were they the enemy ?
or that SF have put all that stuff in the past ?

The only person to make the claim about Adams and who has any legitimacy is Brendan Hughes who also claims she was a Brit agent.

Im just pointing it out, she was not just a simple housewife and the poster was going on about the horrors of the IRA while at least one of McConvilles kids were volunteers.

wee truck big driver · 20-02-2011 10:22PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There is no justification for armed struggle in a democracy.

the only thing unjustifiable was the creation of a six county state whereby a majority of the population (who where only there because they displaced the native irish with the use of indiscriminate violence against un armed men women and children) where allowed too victimise a large section of the population. they done this by keeping the minority down treating them like second class citzens. they where able to this because they had their own private army and police force and where ably assisted by the british army and all the money that the british goverment could throw at them. but the most unjustifiabe thing of all is that the cowardly irish goverment stood by and let this happen and even helped where they could

wee truck big driver · 20-02-2011 10:26PM

funny how the people who hate the ira and sinn fein wont believe gerry adams but or willing to believe an ira man who is dead and knew he wouldnt have to back up his claims. and even then they only believe that gerry adams was involved but dont believe that she was an informer they would rather beleive she was killed because she was a nice descent woman

SafeSurfer · 20-02-2011 10:34PM

boyle betty 1957 wrote: »

id vote adams over kenny any day.

why should we forget about this http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/******-joke-reveals-ignorance-of-racism-503626.html

Maybe Gerry could have a word with the party faithful in Leitrim.

http://uk.altermedia.info/general/racist-sinn-fein_471.html

Gypsies · 20-02-2011 10:36PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

funny how the people who hate the ira and sinn fein wont believe gerry adams but or willing to believe an ira man who is dead and knew he wouldnt have to back up his claims. and even then they only believe that gerry adams was involved but dont believe that she was an informer they would rather beleive she was killed because she was a nice descent woman

Funny how all the Sinn Feiners & IRA supporters believe that this innocent mother of 10 was murdered because she was an Informer. The McConville family have already been told too many lies and suffered enough. But by their statements the IRA and Gerry Adams continue to rub salt in the wounds.

The IRA took the recently-widowed Jean McConville away from her children and beat her up before letting her return home, then returned the following day (just 18 days before Christmas) and dragged her away in front of her screaming children, before torturing her, killing her, and dumping her body in an unmarked shallow grave.

They didn’t even have the decency to admit to the killing until 27 years later. There is NOTHING that can excuse this!

Wolfe Tone · 20-02-2011 10:37PM

Gypsies wrote: »

Funny how all the Sinn Feiners & IRA supporters believe that this innocent mother of 10 was murdered because she was an Informer. The McConville family have already been told too many lies and suffered enough. But by their statements the IRA and Gerry Adams continue to rub salt in the wounds.

The IRA took the recently-widowed Jean McConville away from her children and beat her up before letting her return home, then returned the following day (just 18 days before Christmas) and dragged her away in front of her screaming children, before torturing her, killing her, and dumping her body in an unmarked shallow grave.

They didn’t even have the decency to admit to the killing until 27 years later. There is NOTHING that can excuse this!

Are you saying Gerry Adams ordered it? Any reason why you dont believe Brendan Hughes?

peta217 · 20-02-2011 10:40PM

i will be voting for sinn fein in monaghan because we have best man for the job he is the only one who stood up to those idiots that took the country down :pac::pac:

mccoist · 20-02-2011 10:42PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

funny how the people who hate the ira and sinn fein wont believe gerry adams but or willing to believe an ira man who is dead and knew he wouldnt have to back up his claims. and even then they only believe that gerry adams was involved but dont believe that she was an informer they would rather beleive she was killed because she was a nice descent woman

I do not care what G Adams is guilty of in your eyes I want you to consider the present situation Sinn fein is now a democratic party signed up to democratic way of life north and south of the border.
G Adams above most people is best set to help lead the 26 counties out of its current difficulties
He is our best known and respected internationally recognised politician
and when fine gael go to negotiate the new interst with the IMF/EU they will do well to have him in their team

20-02-2011 10:44PM

There's some serious bitterness in this thread !

SafeSurfer · 20-02-2011 10:50PM

mccoist wrote: »

I do not care what G Adams is guilty of in your eyes I want you to consider the present situation Sinn fein is now a democratic party signed up to democratic way of life north and south of the border.
G Adams above most people is best set to help lead the 26 counties out of its current difficulties
He is our best known and respected internationally recognised politician
and when fine gael go to negotiate the new interst with the IMF/EU they will do well to have him in their team

Why can you not use the correct nomenclature. The 26 counties is the Republic of Ireland.

farmersboy · 20-02-2011 10:51PM

Gypsies wrote: »

Funny how all the Sinn Feiners & IRA supporters believe that this innocent mother of 10 was murdered because she was an Informer. The McConville family have already been told too many lies and suffered enough. But by their statements the IRA and Gerry Adams continue to rub salt in the wounds.

The IRA took the recently-widowed Jean McConville away from her children and beat her up before letting her return home, then returned the following day (just 18 days before Christmas) and dragged her away in front of her screaming children, before torturing her, killing her, and dumping her body in an unmarked shallow grave.

They didn’t even have the decency to admit to the killing until 27 years later. There is NOTHING that can excuse this!

I hate pouring cold water on what you have just written and I detest killings of any order but as a local from the Belfast area I know that she had been warned about her activities many times and that quite a few local lads were imprisoned or murdered by Loyalist mobs on information supplied to the BA by a local informer who was paid for the information...It may not have been Jean Mc Conville but that was how it was at the time...
In times of war terrible things happen on all sides and the Brits were the best at creating informer networks using disadvantaged local people...

Time to move on and create the new Ireland free from the hatreds of the past..

wee truck big driver · 20-02-2011 10:51PM

Gypsies wrote: »

Funny how all the Sinn Feiners & IRA supporters believe that this innocent mother of 10 was murdered because she was an Informer. The McConville family have already been told too many lies and suffered enough. But by their statements the IRA and Gerry Adams continue to rub salt in the wounds.

The IRA took the recently-widowed Jean McConville away from her children and beat her up before letting her return home, then returned the following day (just 18 days before Christmas) and dragged her away in front of her screaming children, before torturing her, killing her, and dumping her body in an unmarked shallow grave.

They didn’t even have the decency to admit to the killing until 27 years later. There is NOTHING that can excuse this!

so what your saying is that because she was a woman she should have been allowed to continue informing and putting soliders lives at risk. the fact of the matter is if it had not been for informers (who where in in for money) the war would have been over long before it was and there would have been a lot less lifes lost

Wolfe Tone · 20-02-2011 10:52PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

There's some serious bitterness in this thread !

Sure we all look like this:

:pac::pac::pac:

Rumple Fugly · 20-02-2011 11:00PM

Yea i'll be voting SF

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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