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Hotel first to cut minimum wage

  • 20-02-2011 01:29AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hotel-first-to-cut-minimum-wage-2546316.html
    A major hotel group has become the first to try to cut the pay of workers on the old national minimum wage.
    Housekeeping staff at one of developer Noel O'Callaghan's hotels claim he has struck them off the payroll for refusing to accept a wage reduction of almost €1 an hour.
    The move comes despite assurances from Finance Minister Brian Lenihan that workers already on the minimum rate would not suffer an instant pay cut when the wage rate was cut earlier this month.
    The Davenport Hotel was hit by strike action yesterday after workers on the old €8.65-an-hour minimum wage claimed management wanted to impose a cut of 86c an hour.
    The pay cut would bring their hourly rate down to €7.79, just 14c higher than the new minimum wage rate of €7.65.
    It is the first case of an employer looking for a pay cut to come to light since the national minimum wage was slashed by €1 an hour at the start of this month.
    Challenge
    SIPTU condemned the cut in the wake of Mr Lenihan's claims that workers on the old rate were safe from cuts.
    "I want to challenge the idea that persons already employed on the minimum wage will see their income drop automatically," Mr Lenihan said in the Dail last year.
    "Anyone already working under a contract of employment that sets wages at or above the national minimum wage is entitled to continue to be paid those wages unless otherwise agreed between both the employer and the employee concerned," he said.
    However, the Davenport Hotel workers claim they have been struck off the payroll because they would not "agree" to the cut.
    More than 40 housekeepers at the hotel have accepted the new rate and signed new contracts, but five women from eastern Europe have refused.
    They claimed Mr O'Callaghan called them to a meeting and told them they must agree to the cut "to support the Government".
    The women said they were taken off the payroll the same day the reduction in the national minimum wage took effect.
    They mounted pickets outside the hotel yesterday and handed flyers to passers-by.
    It is understood that the hotelier is bringing in the same pay cut at other hotels in his group, including the Mont Clare, O'Callaghan St Stephen's Green, and Alexander hotels.
    "I have no income and I live alone," said Regina Balciuniene, (51), whose daughter-in-law, Ingrida, also works at the hotel.
    "I have some savings from a job I had before but only have one week's rent left.
    "I can't get documents from the hotel that I need to sign on social welfare," she added.
    The Department of Finance said there could be no change to an employee's contract that would reduce their pay without their consent, and any breaches should be reported to the Labour Court.
    However, it did not comment on situations where employees "agreed" to cuts under threat of being struck off the payroll.

    Typical,i knew this would come down the line,i sure many others will do the same.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Took ur jobs


  • Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Der ker derrrrr!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    IBEC lobbyists promise competitiveness, greedy assholes pocket more money.

    I'm sure my old employers are nursing a raging semi at the prospect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    efla wrote: »
    IBEC lobbyists promise competitiveness, greedy assholes pocket more money.

    I'm sure my old employers are nursing a raging semi at the prospect.

    nice paradox


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    efla wrote: »
    IBEC lobbyists promise competitiveness, greedy assholes pocket more money.

    I'm sure my old employers are nursing a raging semi at the prospect.
    this was the reason why the min wage was cut - the JLC's couldnt move until it was done.

    and FG, despite promises to reverse the decision, will not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    this was the reason why the min wage was cut - the JLC's couldnt move until it was done.

    and FG, despite promises to reverse the decision, will not.

    Shameful **** tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    Yet another kick in the face. Great. I'm sure the black pigs and the rats in IBEC will be delighted with this.

    Everybody remember - it's vital that those on high wages are protected - and just as vital that those on low wages are stamped upon as often as possible. It's the only way Ireland will find it's way out of this mess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    This isnt the first time in recent years this hotel has made this move.

    They did something similar 2 years ago. Basically told people to take a 10% paycut or they would be fired.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No surprises there, how long before others follow.

    It won't be long before those jobs come with accomodation in the basement as the wages will be so low that you would have to live on the premesis to survive on them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstairs,_Downstairs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    wont be staying in any of those hotels so!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,372 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    efla wrote: »
    Shameful **** tbh

    Do you even have an idea how many hotels have either closed down or are on their last legs propped up by receivers and banks? It's a dose of realism. If people don't like it then let the hotels close down instead and the workers swap their pay for the dole.

    Ironically an improvement for the workers....


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you even have an idea how many hotels have either closed down or are on their last legs propped up by receivers and banks? It's a dose of realism. If people don't like it then let the hotels close down instead and the workers swap their pay for the dole.

    Ironically an improvement for the workers....

    From what I hear, it's the NAMA'd hotels that are making it impossible for the old long established hotels to stay in business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    Do you even have an idea how many hotels have either closed down or are on their last legs propped up by receivers and banks? It's a dose of realism. If people don't like it then let the hotels close down instead and the workers swap their pay for the dole.

    Ironically an improvement for the workers....

    WRONG!

    many hotels are in NAMA which is artifically propping up the price of residential and commercial property.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭ardinn


    flynnlives wrote: »
    WRONG!

    many hotels are in NAMA which is artifically propping up the price of residential and commercial property.

    Their is more that are not.

    And hotels are in dire conditions at the moment - Take for example the unfortunate cleaners - Also take the 20 chefs, 20 admin staff, 30 bar/restaurant staff, 5 reception staff, managers, maintenance, etc etc etc and you have a long list of probably 150 people who' will have jobs for longer due to this!

    It is not Ideal in any way - but it's an evil needed to survive.

    If you think of the money that a hotel dishes out in wages every month, and then filter that through the local community - plus the revenue to the community through guest spend - If that hotel stays open a day longer than it would have without these measures - then its worth it!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    ardinn wrote: »

    20 chefs,


    There are VERY few hotels in the country with 20 chefs...

    The Fitzwilliam hotel, between 2 restaurants, banqueting services and a bar kitchen on the premises would barely have 20 chefs!


    You're talking through your hoop.

    The biggest problem for a lot of hotels is that you have NAMA'd Hotels like The G and The Radison in Galway, the Shelborune in Dublin and a lot more around the country, which because of their operations being under written by NAMA can undercut their competition and not worry about margins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭squeakyduck


    Great hope for the rest of us! :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    wages are too high in this country, fair play yo hotel, needs to be done, we need to reduce cost of living and this is a good start, hope for follow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Great to see an FF supporter still gets value from his donations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭chillywilly


    two options

    1. Hotel closes due to high costs and low income, staff lose their jobs.
    2. Hotel staff take pay cut and keep their job, hotel hopefully stays open.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 37,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    wages are too high in this country, fair play yo hotel, needs to be done, we need to reduce cost of living and this is a good start, hope for follow

    please remind those people who now have less money in their pockets that the cost of living has come down :confused:


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    please remind those people who now have less money in their pockets that the cost of living has come down :confused:

    it doesnt happen over night


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭tman


    orourkeda wrote: »
    nice paradox

    Seems more like an oxymoron to me...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    it doesnt happen

    FYP mele


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    wages are too high in this country, fair play yo hotel, needs to be done, we need to reduce cost of living and this is a good start, hope for follow

    Can we expect the government to replicate this by reducing VAT/Duty on products such as petrol.

    I agree we need to start reducing our costs but the government needs to take a lead. You cannot expect people to take a wage reduction and expect the same levels of tax, and for them to be able live on reduced wages when fuel and food costs are going up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭yosemite_sam


    flynnlives wrote: »
    WRONG!

    many hotels are in NAMA which is artifically propping up the price of residential and commercial property.
    Whilst NAMA is in existence we will be in recession, FG or whoever will have to dispose of all the rubbish on their books before there will ever be a bottoming out of the market. I am looking forward to pickup houses at their real market value when it starts, come on AJ push the button


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yep here we go, I predicted this on other threads and of course was shouted down by those who just want, cuts, cuts and more cuts. It is not at all surprising this particular hotel was the first.

    I think most reasonable employees in every sector understood cuts in wages but has predicted employers will now target anyone currently on minimum rates despite the mantra about this new lower rate being applicable to "New Contracts". I doubt this chance "O Callaghan" will get a way with it but it certainly won't stop him and other unscrupulous employers with Brass Necks chancing their arms.

    When will employers get it, the Minimum rate has little if any impact on the bottom line, the Hotel sector in particular is in ****e and certainly not because of its employee's

    Its a ****ing disgrace! Just like the sub contractor and major developers, employee's are getting shafted left right and center and the Hotel sector being the worst offenders.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    it doesnt happen over night
    It doesn't happen at all! The price of pretty much everything has gone up recently, have you been food shopping lately? Put petrol in a car? Paid a phone bill?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭yosemite_sam


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    please remind those people who now have less money in their pockets that the cost of living has come down :confused:

    Reality is beginning to bite, imagine this place in 4 years time when another 14 billion euro is taken out of the economy. It will be like famine times, if you have any sense you'll all move to the coast at least there will be fish there to live on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,886 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    wages are too high in this country, fair play yo hotel, needs to be done, we need to reduce cost of living and this is a good start, hope for follow

    And while we're waiting for prices to come down but already have pay cuts - what will we live on in the interim? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Do you even have an idea how many hotels have either closed down or are on their last legs propped up by receivers and banks? It's a dose of realism. If people don't like it then let the hotels close down instead and the workers swap their pay for the dole.

    Ironically an improvement for the workers....

    I'm gonna be cynical and put this down to crass profiteering. Any evidence to suggest OC hotels are "on thier last legs propped up by the receivers"?

    Also, if they were, and the work is simply not there, they'd be more likely to reduce hours or ask for voluntary redundancies before engaging in shotgun tactics.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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