Time for "Martial Law" on Public Sector Pay...

AndyPanty wrote: »

None of you know what your talking about, your bull****ting through your ass. A job in the PS is a **** job in good times and a great job in bad times. I chose a career in the PS and I my wages were robbed by a FF/Green Gov. Dare they come to my door, Oh I'm looking forward to this election campaign How many of you have tried to evade tax or take in more than your allowance. Without the PS you would do it a lot more. Glad you sleep safely in your home at night without thinking of the checks that were made on the cable, the electric components in your house, Oh Yea some PS has checked these out, Without that PS you would have rubbish electrics in your home and you'd be waiting on a fire. I wasn't paid enough for the 50 60 hours a week I worked without o/t, I got out early,

I tend to disagree, having spent more than a few years in the PS, I got out, but a lot of layabouts hang on as it can be very handy/cushy. having said that there are plenty of hard working people in the PS and it is soul destroying watching layabouts and a$$kissers skive while you do your best, I dont know what the second half is about. If by get out, you mean leave completely, then I think thats understandable if you are motivated (still even I wouldnt recommend it these days, ie resigning) however the PS needs to be overhauled/made efficient.
I also believe if we are to ask everyone across the spectrum to take cuts then that means the top should be first, we should stop handing money hand over fist in golden handshakes, massive pay and expenses to politicians/civil servants/public servants at the top, not that it will save as much as cutting a smaller amount off thousands, but they (politicians) need to take the pain too and lead by example, too idealistic???

Officer Giggles wrote: »

since when did the public sector not pay taxes

everyone pays (should pay) taxes but PS workers paying tax, doesnt fund the PS

feelingstressed wrote: »

If it's an attempt to clear dead wood it won't work.

The people who'll take redundancy will be the youngest, they might head off traveling for a year or back to college or do something new
Or even older people who would try something new

If you've been in the same job for decades and set in your ways it's unlikely you'd apply for this

It won't be the worst staff who'll take redundancy, far from it

Agree completely, they will never leave and they will be the ones unwilling to upskill without kicking up a fuss as they are too comfortable and they dont want to push the boundaries as they are afraid of their limitations, which they would realise anyone can push if they tried, but there is what motivation to do this by them (some of them anyway)?

The_Thing wrote: »

I have a farm and livestock which I must tend before and after my day job.

I usually take my "duvet days" around the time that my spring lambs are born so I can keep an eye on them.

You're funny.:D

Thing that public servants are missing is...this document here (http://www.merrionstreet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/EUIMFmemo.pdf) does not leave these decisions in the hands of the Gov. And whether you like it or not, numbers and pay has to be reduced.We all know it.They know it.The EU know it. The unions know it. There are a variety of ways it could be done to make it as a fair as possible, but who knows what convoluted methods they'll come up with.
Strikes are unlikely to have an effect.We can no longer afford our PS.That's it, really.

I deal with the revenue commissioners on a regular basis as I'm an accountant. The attitude of a lot of them is appalling. If I was to treat clients the way they treat they're "customers" I'd be out the door straight away. Its a disgrace to be treated like that especially when I'm the one who pays they're exorbitant salaries. I think they need reminding of that...

The whole system needs reforming. They are too well overpaid for the work the actually do. They took took took when the going was good, and complained in the process, and won't give an inch now when the going gets tough so all the rest of us have to subsidize this now. What happened to their benchmarking salaries now when the private sector takes the hit....double standards!!!

Oh this is great for venting frustration at the system...if only a canvaser would call to my door so I can have my say....none as yet and only a week to go!!

Officer Giggles wrote: »

its the likes of that s**t that really annoys me, what f**king company is going to hire half the people in the dail let alone bertie and pay him the sort of money he was on, sure he wouldnt be able to get paid i suppose seeing as he couldnt open a bank account

Indeed, bertie ahern & ALL his cabinet were an also-ran, with his bogus economics qualifications.

ardmacha wrote: »

SO if a nurse works in a private hospital, he or she is creating wealth, but if they are in a state hospital they are not?

Thats a bit of a tricky one. Since this is the Irish economy forum I'll go into a bit more depth. There's what's known as the neo-Keynesian injection-leakage model, which is a fairly fundamental principle in economics.

Injections of capital into the economy are good, things like tourism, exports, FDI, mining natural resources, these all inject external money into our economy. We need lots more of these. Once this gets paid out in wages, or other expenditure, it creates a multiplier effect. This means that the real wealth being brought in creates more wealth, the actual amount varies depending on a lot of factors.

Leakage would be things like remittances and taxes, money that leaves the productive economy. PS wages and the dole are only partly leakage, since their pay goes into the economy like everyone elses. In effect they are channels for the redistribution of wealth, which is a good ramification of us living in a socialised country. That's all gone horribly wrong with the banks and mortgages as well, but that's another bucket of kettles.

However, the situation we're in right now is that the amount of wealth that needs to be drawn from the economy to pay for this redistribution mechanism is too much - it's going to damage the productive economy badly (diminishing returns), and the multiplier effect is very low or nonexistent due to loan repayments. So to balance the picture again, the amount that is being redistributed has to be reduced, and ultimately redirected to other channels when things get good again.

And the picture is worse than most people realise.

As a sort of cold comfort, for the overall economy, this is actually a chance to introduce efficiencies and reduce leakage - for example, Singapore went to an all electronic patient records system and saved 98% of the administration overheads involved. Imagine that hitting the HSE. In fact you won't need to, because eventually it will.

This means strikes, this means civil unrest, this means trouble, as the unions enact their roles and plunge the rest of the country into chaos to protect their members. This time however, there is going to be no public support for them, no help, it's a lost cause before it even begins.

While the unions are acting out of self interest, that's exactly how everyone else is going to act, and a lot of people have recently woken up to the way things operate in Ireland today. The connection between taxes and public pay packets has been drawn in emigrated children and family (a second brother of mine hits the plane for Australia next week), in increased taxes, in lost jobs and evictions, and in the international humiliation Ireland has been forced to go through. The knives are out.

Personally I think an intelligent phased plan could be put into place to identify and deal with other areas of waste, and there are many, to minimise the damage to the PS, but I doubt the voice of reason will be heard in the coming years. Everyone has too much to lose.

ardmacha wrote: »

Perhaps the Army, who received a giant 3% benchmarking increase, and a more recent 13% pay cut, will implement this "martial law".

Compare Irish army pay to what NATO forces are on ,10% cut probably doesnt even get them near.