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X files · 19-01-2011 06:38AM #1

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/darach-mcquaid-sees-no-conflict-of-interests-in-richmond-worlds-bid-role

Shameless ?
just business ?
or just McQuaids ?

lukester · 19-01-2011 10:23AM

All too familiar.

Only in December we had Pat Mc Quaid calling for a shorter Giro and Vuelta in favour of the Tour of California (among others) which just happens to be the event promoted by his brother Darach.

Seems about as blatant a conflict of interest as you can get, along with the UCI trying to wrestle control over as much of cycling as they can.

It has the whiff of Armstrong-doublespeak. "We know this looks like a conflict of interest, but it's not. No really. It's not."

C3PO · 19-01-2011 10:49AM

Completely shameless! Reminds me of some of our politicians!

RobFowl · 19-01-2011 10:55AM

They are TBF a family steeped in cycling so it's not surprising they all work in some capacity in the industry.

Just wish the delineation of roles was a bit more marked....

Can see this LA story bringing Pat McQuaid down too simply as the scandal will be so big heads will be called for.

I do worry if the next UCI president could be worse.......

tfrancer · 19-01-2011 03:08PM

What are Pat McQuaid's family supposed to do...................give up all cycling related activities and start growing onions or lettuces out in Lusk for a living??

shamwari · 19-01-2011 03:20PM

tfrancer wrote: »

What are Pat McQuaid's family supposed to do...................give up all cycling related activities and start growing onions or lettuces out in Lusk for a living??

Nothing wrong with growing veg in the North County, is there ?

tfrancer · 19-01-2011 03:33PM

shamwari wrote: »

Nothing wrong with growing veg in the North County, is there ?

Certainly not...............and there would be no potential conflicts of interest............would there?

lukester · 19-01-2011 03:44PM

tfrancer wrote: »

Certainly not...............and there would be no potential conflicts of interest............would there?

If Pat was head of the International Vegetable Grower's association, and his brother was pitching for his company to host the World Vegetable Grower's Championship, there would be an obvious conflict of interest.

In addition, if younger brother was angling to promote his own annual Veg Growing tournament in the US ahead of rival tournaments on the continent, and Pat was also talking about reducing the importance of those rival tournaments, marrow-growers everywhere would be rightly wary.

marcofan · 19-01-2011 04:20PM

how about getting the basics right????

Darach is not his son, he is Pats brother

tfrancer · 19-01-2011 04:52PM

RPL1 wrote: »

Completely shameless! Reminds me of some of our politicians!

Someone was telling me recently that the political party with the most support in this country is the People's Begrudgery Party!

paulmcquaid · 17-02-2011 03:57PM

You <snip> really crack me up! Anything any McQuaid ever achieved in cycling, be it in the sporting or business end of it was achieved through hard work, a love for the sport and a certain level of intelligence. To the <snip> who said Darach promotes or organises the tour of California - wrong, he does neither. You <snip> don't even have the guts to publish your own names. You go under these ridiculous handles to remain anonymous. <snip>, and stop being so jealous. Sincerely, Paul McQuaid, Managing Director, Phoenix Park BIKE HIRE. (I couldn't resist).

Oh, to those who actually had some nice words to say about the McQuaids - thanks.

petethedrummer · 17-02-2011 04:11PM

Well there you have it, a McQuaid says there is no conflict of interest within the McQuaid family. Case Closed.

Now you should try this forum: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=12246

Best of luck with that.

lukester · 17-02-2011 04:12PM

Darach Mc Quaid is listed as one of the principals of Shadetree Sports here.

Shadetree promotes what they call the 'American Tour', see here.

No-one said anything about hard work or the lack of it. But there is an obvious conflict of interest as outlined above.

Try this too.

paulmcquaid wrote: »

You sads don't even have the guts to publish your own names.

This is 2011, not 1995.

Edit: That Shadetree link for principals above doesn't go direcly to the page. This does.

Darach McQuaid and David Kalman founded Shadetree Sports. With offices in Dublin, Ireland and Richmond, Va. our mission was then and still is today, to offer cycling sponsorships to organisations and marketers who want, or need, something more than traditional sponsorships and who want to reach an affluent, active, growing audience.

paulmcquaid · 17-02-2011 04:18PM

You guys are really giving me a good laugh! When you PROVE some of your allegations of corruption and nepotism I will take you seriously. Until then I think I'll just keep enjoying you.

paulmcquaid · 17-02-2011 04:22PM

Darach Mc Quaid is listed as one of the principals of Shadetree Sports here. Is that illegal or corrupt?

Shadetree promotes what they call the 'American Tour', see here. Is that illegal or corrupt? It is called business. Something you obviously know nothing about.

No-one said anything about hard work or the lack of it. But there is an obvious conflict of interest as outlined above. Wrong pal.

Try this too. HILLARIOUS.

This is 2011, not 1995. And your point...?

DirkVoodoo · 17-02-2011 04:25PM

paulmcquaid wrote: »

Until then I think I'll just keep enjoying you.

Disturbing, on so many levels.

Both hands on the keyboard please.

niceonetom · 17-02-2011 04:25PM

Paul, if you're at all concerned about your family's name, consider what you're doing right now.

If, as is very possible, this is just someone out to make the McQuaids look even more dodgy and more contemptuous of the cycling public, then carry on. It's working a treat.

lukester · 17-02-2011 04:31PM

paulmcquaid wrote: »

Darach Mc Quaid is listed as one of the principals of Shadetree Sports here. Is that illegal or corrupt?

No.

paulmcquaid wrote: »

Shadetree promotes what they call the 'American Tour', see here.

Is that illegal or corrupt? It is called business. Something you obviously know nothing about.

Nothing wrong with promoting the American Tour.

But if Darach's brother is head of the UCI, there's an obvious potential conflict of interest.

When Pat starts talking about shortening other long established tours in favour of his brother's event, there's a very blatant conflict of interest.

If you can't see that, then it seems to me that you don't understand the basics of business ethics.

paulmcquaid wrote: »

This is 2011, not 1995. And your point...?

That is my point.

Captain Havoc · 17-02-2011 04:34PM

This thread is being reopened, there is to be no personal abuse otherwise infractions and bans will be given (which was the point of closing in the first place)

garminguy · 17-02-2011 10:41PM

from what can see, most of the name calling and insults are by paulmcquaid.
he seems very defensive for something he believes is inaccurate!

Beasty · 17-02-2011 10:53PM

garminguy wrote: »

from what can see, most of the name calling and insults are by paulmcquaid.
he seems very defensive for something he believes is inaccurate!

The warning issued above applies to all posters

If you have a problem with a particular post in light of that warning, report it and leave it to the mods to deal with. Do not discuss it in-thread

Thanks

Beasty

spokeydokey · 17-02-2011 10:56PM

Remember when the McQuaids used to be cyclists. Very rare to spot one on a bike these days...shame:(

Junior · 17-02-2011 11:04PM

paulmcquaid wrote: »

You <snip> really crack me up! Anything any McQuaid ever achieved in cycling, be it in the sporting or business end of it was achieved through hard work, a love for the sport and a certain level of intelligence. To the <snip> who said Darach promotes or organises the tour of California - wrong, he does neither. You <snip> don't even have the guts to publish your own names. You go under these ridiculous handles to remain anonymous. <snip>, and stop being so jealous. Sincerely, Paul McQuaid, Managing Director, Phoenix Park BIKE HIRE. (I couldn't resist).

Oh, to those who actually had some nice words to say about the McQuaids - thanks.

Hi Paul,

My nickname here is Junior, I've been known as that for 15/16 years, my real name is Derek Troy, I'm from Kilmacthomas Co. Waterford. I run two bike related sites, thebike.ie and flammecast.com so the old hiding behind names doesn't wash with me, what I'm called, or who I am doesn't make opinions any less valid, once they are factual and correct.

There seems to be an anti blogger attitude from the McQuaid clan en-mass, some of us do try to do our research and make decent points about the whole cycling scene. From a neutral viewpoint, the blurring of the boundaries between Cycling Goods Retailer, Race Promoter, Cycling Agent and President of UCI all in the same family can lead to people to ask questions.

Blustering your way round the point and blaming nameless people, doesn't really deflect away from the point that it looks like a cosy cartel.

Cabaal · 18-02-2011 08:56AM

Firstly I honestly haven't read the link in question and to be honest I personally have little interest in the topic in question however regardless of if the claims or true or not I hoped that "paulmcquaid" is just a troll and not the actual person because he's making a fool of himself in a public forum if it is him.

Honestly didn't think any business man/women would be so foolish as to respond in the manner that he has in this forum, completely unprofessional.

There are ways to approach these things and there are ways you don't approach these things and sadly "paulmcquaid" isn't doing himself any favours and appears to be pretty clueless about how people of such positions should and are expected to interact in public for all the world to see....if it is actually him that is (I hope its just a troll for his own sake).

uberwolf · 18-02-2011 09:02AM

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=440618

paulmcquaid · 18-02-2011 11:34AM

'morning lads.

spokeydokey, I had a lovely spin in to work this morning, as I have done prettymuch every day for the past four years. And that's seven days a week.

junior, you left out Bike Renters!

cabaal, you're SO sentistive. Lighten up man!

lumen for Toiseach!

Have a good weekend. And safe cycling. Peace and love to everyone.

RobFowl · 18-02-2011 11:38AM

paulmcquaid wrote: »

'morning lads.

spokeydokey, I had a lovely spin in to work this morning, as I have done prettymuch every day for the past four years. And that's seven days a week.

Sure what do you know about cycling......

1989

1º in Shay Elliot Memorial (IRL)
1995

1º in General Classification Rás Tailteann (IRL)
1995

1º in General Classification Rás Tailteann (IRL)

TheBlaaMan · 18-02-2011 01:39PM

Its a fact that the 'internet' in general, and the forum space in particular, is full of people with opinions. Some well informed, and authoritative, others, well, less so.................some outright mischevious and malicious - sh1t-stirrers, if you like. Ill-informed comment seems to be the norm on a lot of sites - A 'tabloid' sort of opinion prevails - "to hell with accuracy, just get it out there".

Its fairly obvious to me that a lot of the criticism of Pat McQuaid stems from this area - people who latch on to a 'populist' thread and for no good reason (esp. since you can do so anonymously) their postings do little more than re-hash earlier ill-informed posts. I'm not being specific about boards.ie here, the cyclingnews.com forum is as bad, if not worse, IMO. Its far too easy to sling mud from a distance and not have to worry about the impact or repercussions.

I would caution that a lot of stuff that is in the print and online media - which has an insatiable desire to print something, ANYTHING, every day - is one-sided and 'populist', and probably not as well sourced as it might first sound. The fact is that official channels like the UCI have to be relatively conservative and certain before they can reach a decision/make an announcement and the timelines for this are not nearly fast enough for the web/newpaper markets. The recent comments from PMcQ regarding Contador (viz yesterdays impromptu press conference in Oman) should be seen in this light.

I want to believe Pat McQuaid is an honest and fair guy, with the betterment of cycling at the heart of his interests. The talk of corruption, conflicts of interest, complicity in cover-ups of doping etc fly in the face of this. I read a lot of material on the topics from a wide variety or sources, but and to be honest, at this stage I simply dont know what the truth is any more.

If this whole issue with Pat McQuaids leadership of UCI is to be viewed in the light of the above 'benefit of the doubt' frame of mind, I'd like to think that he would be a lot more cautious of commenting on Armstrongs retirement...."His contribution to cycling has been enormous, from both the sporting point of view and his personality. All sports need global icons and he has become a global icon for cycling," UCI president Pat McQuaid told AP. "The sport of cycling has a lot to be thankful for because of Lance Armstrong." How - allowing for the ongoing FDA investigation - PMcQ sees this as "sensible" comment, I simply dont know. Is there some sense of loyalty to Armstrong that he would feel he is betraying if he used more cautious words to say thanks and good-bye to LA?

It doesn't show him in a good light and its small wonder that the loony element of the internet casts further doubt on his integrity.

Sorry, I'm rambling ............ I fear for the future of the sport in the hands of UCI and wish it were otherwise. Its getting hard to see Pat McQuaid as part of the solution.

funkyjebus · 18-02-2011 02:53PM

paulmcquaid wrote: »

Darach Mc Quaid is listed as one of the principals of Shadetree Sports here. Is that illegal or corrupt?

Shadetree promotes what they call the 'American Tour', see here. Is that illegal or corrupt? It is called business. Something you obviously know nothing about.

No-one said anything about hard work or the lack of it. But there is an obvious conflict of interest as outlined above. Wrong pal.

Try this too. HILLARIOUS.

This is 2011, not 1995. And your point...?

I think the point was that this is the internet and times have changed, no one tends to give their real name as you could say something that could negatively impact your life eg: your boss sees you post about cycling yesterday, but you where sick or perhaps people who have always recommended your business constantly (because they live right beside it) get whiff of your attitude and make sure they never recommmend it to anyone ever again in person or anonymously online.

Sometimes less information is better.

ROK ON · 18-02-2011 03:44PM

I cannot get over the allegation that folks here hide behind monikers.
I mean is there no Havoc, is he not actually a captain?
What of Beasty. I mean I have met him once. He said his name was beasty - was I being deceived.
And please don't tell me that Mr Vodoo is not actually called Dirk.

For shame.

Captain Havoc · 18-02-2011 03:53PM

ROK ON wrote: »

I cannot get over the allegation that folks here hide behind monikers.
I mean is there no Havoc, is he not actually a captain?
What of Beasty. I mean I have met him once. He said his name was beasty - was I being deceived.
And please don't tell me that Mr Vodoo is not actually called Dirk.

For shame.

I'm sorry, I never claimed to be a captain, it's my real name. Actually on that note, not a whole lot of digging to be done to get my real name.

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