anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Euroland wrote: »

Believe me or not, SF, despite being weak in some other policies, is the only party to recognize this problem while the rest just simply neglect the incoming collapse.

/wades back in again..
The rest of them apart form FF are not ignoring it.
It's just that they know there are two EU summits coming up to deal with the issue and as it will be they [most likely FG and Labour] that will be at those summits,it's best they be as vague as possible now.

It gives SF an open goal of course to keep scoring points off them regarding the cost of the FF deal but then,SF themselves also have an open goal on their side as regards the sums when we can't borrow having told the imf to go home.


Now I'm not here back in this thread to bash SF at this point,just hear me out on my thoughts here for a second.

I was shocked that FF caved in to the EU in the way that they did and to the imf.
They had no choice after the mess they got themselves into but to go to them of course but why they allowed to have themselves and by extension the rest of us walked over is the mystery.
But it's not a mystery.

When FF were negotiating in secret,they knew they needed to get money quick,that was their side.The EU were putting pressure on from the other wanting something in place to calm the markets.
FF at that point [pre the green walkout announcement] were expecting 18 months more of government which would be easy with the greens on board,jackie healy rae and Lowry.

So they didn't care,they expected things to start to come right and they knew that these summits would iron out something better.
They totally underestimated the countries rancor at bringing in the imf and the fact that it was going to be the greens [too late] get out of jail card.

If the FF policy was to cut the bondholders unilaterally,the Euro would go into freefall,that was the fear and of course the financial institutions in Germany and elsewhere involved would stop lending to other high debt countries or charge them the earth.Though not often mentioned,France is one of those.
Thats the unwritten reason,I think for much of this mess.FF wanted to stay in power in the vain hope things would get better,that the cost of the deal would go down and that these bond holders would be significantly burned.
18 months later when there would have to be an election,we'd all have forgotten...[no we wouldn't].

So I guess the upshot of this is,SF can chew up all parties on the banking debt and I agree with them to an extent but disagree with it being as simple to do as what they say.
But really what happens is out of their hands ultimately as this will be dealt with at those EU summits [and it better be good!]
The EU now are waiting for us [again] to vote in a new government so they can fix this mess once and for all as Spain is too big an economy to fall as is Italy and those going would surely sink the Euro.

Remember one basic fact,up untill the early 2000's we as a country were a dead cert for net inflows from the EU.They majorly financed two thirds of our infrastructure.
We "invented" the BMW[border midlands and west] region to try and keep securing more money out of the EU than we pay in...by claiming the funds for a part of the country that had a worse gdp/income per head than the country as a whole had.

When you remember that fact,you can see how ridiculous it is for the EU to expect us to pay for 100's of billions of banking debt,several multiples of what we ever got from the EU in the first place,money we got because ostensibly we were a poor country.
We've reversed back to the borderline of that level wealth wise and certainly have gone way back in time in terms of unemployment etc.
The EU cannot and in my opinion won't shackle this country in the way FF have organised because they know it's not workable.
Everybody knows it isn't,it's just not being emphasised because theres negotiations to be done in a few months on the mess.

Now that leads me back to the Economic treason accusation leveled at FF.It looks like it to me and it looks like the age old reason for it was they wanted to stay in power for longer in the hope the public anger could be alleviate.
It backfired and it looks like they will get their just deserts!

caseyann wrote:

Is that right on boards Sinn Féin have 21 seats

Probably not.
The cohort of SF activists on boards would skew that poll in my opinion.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do very well [circa 15 seats for example] as they unlike in '07 will have a lot of transfers from both Labour and the united left alliance candidates.

caseyann wrote: »

Ah is that because you wish it like that? And couldn't possibly be actual genuine voters just because you dont want it as such?
p.s arent all people whether continuous Sf supporters real voters and therefore all the votes are correct.

No.
It means that a bigger sample of SF voters entered the poll than is representative of real life.