The Unoffiical IRA thread

Shea O'Meara · 13-02-2011 10:12PM

ISAW wrote: »

LOL! But this thread is not about them it is about the official IRA workers party commies etc.

You might possibly be on to something there. I expected that when i started it that
- people would immediately attack me instead of addressing the topic
- claim it was an orchastrated smear campaign
-claim it was irrelevant
- claim that others did similar things and thy to change the topic to discussing the others

Ironically the same mindset will post things about the Church, Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, and when someoine else says "but Labour/Workers Party/lefties" did similar they will claim it isnt about the others.

I predicted all this would happen and it did.

LOL tick the box of "orchestrated by FF" above

This discussion is entirely of my own making and people were told abou
t it and the predictions made in advance of what would happen if I posted it.

So it's only okay to mention any person, party or organisation if it backs up your opinion?

Your initial post is (in your view/thoughts) a list of points which show how Gilmore et al have spent the last 30 or 40 years orchestrating a leftist/marxist/communist underground bid to control the country.

Well where is it?
You are obviously wrong....it's not happened.
So I took the logical next step of describing how right wing we've been for the last few decades and where those in power, who you have defended in prior threads, have done more to be painted communists and or dictators than all the 'facts' you listed in relation to Gilmore, thus showing your intial post, for what I believe it to be, no more than a cheap ill-conceived smear campaign.

By the way, you will never cajole me into avoiding blaming FFail for factual misdeeds, or referring to them when speaking on the political landscape of the last few decades regardless of how many smiley faces you post.
I guess all they can hope for is people not to mention them at all.

P. Breathnach · 13-02-2011 10:33PM

ISAW wrote: »

LOL! But this thread is not about them it is about the official IRA workers party commies etc....

This thread is about whatever we, as a group, choose to discuss, so long as it complies with the rules for the forum.

The disjointed opening post, the lack of plausible citation, the heavy reliance on innuendo, the rambling defence of the opening position, and the general impenetrablity of whatever case is being made all add up in my mind to one thing: electrons are being disturbed for no useful purpose.

Nodin · 13-02-2011 10:44PM

ISAW wrote: »

That will take some time. maybe a few weeks

Why does it take "a few weeks" to post? This is - allegedly - historical fact. Given that you stated that the amount already posted is supposedly a third of the information relating to RTE, its hardly a massive amount.

In addition, you might actually lay out a case rather than listing out who was a member of what and when.

bonkey · 13-02-2011 11:01PM

I didnt claim it is about both . I claimed it is about the Official IRA and Workers Party etc. Note the "etc."

I note it. Its a catch-all allowing the inclusion or exclusion of anything tangentially related, which you can redefine at your whim.

It would seem from this answer, however, that you're at least saying that Gilmore is not the primary focus of this thread, despite featuring priminently in the OP, and being (mostly) the center of attention since then. At most, he's part of the "etc."

If Gilmore is not the primary focus, then perhaps we should move on and discuss what is.

i.e. people involved in commie marxist terrorist illegal leftie socialist and other similar activities but not Republican such as the PIRA, Fianna Fail Provisional Sinn Fein or similar.

That is what it is about.

Given that you can't be discussing people who it has been established have been involved in all of these areas, you must mean that the topic is anyone who has been in some, or at least one of these areas.

That's an amazingly broad spectrum..and yet we've managed to focus on only one individual....the same individual who was "coincidentally" the individual most concentrated on in the OP.

I already have. Official IRA Official Sinn Fein and the groups to which they were linked .Then why the focus on Gilmore, rather then on the organisation?
Their party Organisation and the people involved and their subsequent and co incident involvement in Sinn Fein the Workers PArty the Workers Party New Agenda Democratic :Left and the Irish Labour Party
...
The stickies - their history and their subsequent associations.

And yet, somehow, Gilmore's wife seems to fall into this scope. I guess she's part of the etc.

Let me put it to you that if your intent is to discuss what it is you claim is your focus, then concentrating on Gilmore is clearly not your intention, nor is it the topic you primarily wish to discuss. Gilmore's wife is certainly not who you wish to focus on.

So...lets move on from them and look at some other members, eh?

ISAW · 13-02-2011 11:10PM

Corsendonk wrote: »

I can't wait for your SF thread so.

do you mean provisional SF?
Why should i be posting one?
This isn't about the Provos it is about the officials.
Trying to change the topic by referring to what it isn't about is off topic.
Please don't go there.

ISAW · 13-02-2011 11:43PM

bonkey wrote: »

I note it. Its a catch-all allowing the inclusion or exclusion of anything tangentially related, which you can redefine at your whim.

Yepo. It is about anything related to the Official IRA and Official Sinn Fein. i am particularly interested in the people who became the hierarchy of the current Labour Party but feel free to throw in any other commie/ workers party link you want to as long as it relates to people connected to Official Sinn Fein in Ireland.

It would seem from this answer, however, that you're at least saying that Gilmore is not the primary focus of this thread, despite featuring priminently in the OP, and being (mostly) the center of attention since then. At most, he's part of the "etc."

No Mc Manus Rabbitte and a load of iother current Labour Leadershi people feature as well. Im not aware of any in fine gael. I ddi mention one Fianna Fail Senate appointee Eoghan Harris.

If Gilmore is not the primary focus, then perhaps we should move on and discuss what is.

I find the whole Marxist anti land ownership background ironic considering Gilmore's wife made over a half million in a land deal while Labour were criticising people for making money by selling land at inflated schools. Gilmore's wife was also involved in politics with him back in the days.

Given that you can't be discussing people who it has been established have been involved in all of these areas, you must mean that the topic is anyone who has been in some, or at least one of these areas.

I'm not prescriptive. As i said I dont pretend it is an exhaustive list of Official IRA linked elements.

That's an amazingly broad spectrum..and yet we've managed to focus on only one individual....the same individual who was "coincidentally" the individual most concentrated on in the OP.

Yeah it is a bit like picking SF or FF people and saying they represent a broad swathe of a mindset of "Republicans" . But we are speaking of "stickies" here and not "pinnies".

And yet, somehow, Gilmore's wife seems to fall into this scope. I guess she's part of the etc.

She's part of the "people involved in leftie politics in teh seventies and eighties" yes.
she would certainly get on the list but she gets well up it y they irony of making over a half million Euros on a property deal selling land at an inflated "going rate" to a school when Labour were criticising people selling inflated property to schools. the irony is added to in that Marxists are against private property. Untill they become millionaire apparently

Let me put it to you that if your intent is to discuss what it is you claim is your focus, then concentrating on Gilmore is clearly not your intention, nor is it the topic you primarily wish to discuss. Gilmore's wife is certainly not who you wish to focus on.

Indeed. Im quite happy to discuss all ther others who came from the property rejecting fold to the high earner category of property owning lefties. Ill even discuss the likes of "well keep the red flag flying high" Presidential hopeful and ex Fianna Fail member Michael D Higgins ( FOR whom Gilmore canvassed ) who I don't think is a man of any huge wealth like the other ex socialists in the Labour Leadership but who certainly retained the "red" credentials with honesty.

So...lets move on from them and look at some other members, eh?

fine you can post all you know about Rabbitte ,Mc Manus Stagg, Joe Higgins , etc.and their red credentials. This is nt restricted to them either or to the millionaire Gilmores.

goat2 · 13-02-2011 11:49PM

Dionysus wrote: »

If this is the best you can do, Gilmore has nothing to fear. I'd say this is a pathetic attempt to defame a man, but that would imply there's something wrong with any of what you've said, which, despite your clear intentions, there isn't. Éamonn Gilmore is an honourable, decent man. The very many people from all political parties who know him can attest to this.[/QUOTE are there no skeletons in fg closet,

ISAW · 13-02-2011 11:59PM

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

So it's only okay to mention any person, party or organisation if it backs up your opinion?

No! If it related to the Official IRA and Official Sinn Fein and Marxist/ Trots etc.
It sint my opinion! It is doccumented facts I want about who was involved in Official IRA Sinn Féin Ned Stapelton Cumman etc.

Your initial post is (in your view/thoughts) a list of points which show how Gilmore et al have spent the last 30 or 40 years orchestrating a leftist/marxist/communist underground bid to control the country.

Yep. that was certainly the background of the Official IRA mindset and how it worked out in the NUJ RTE Unions etc.

Well where is it?
You are obviously wrong....it's not happened.

What old stickies in position of power never happened? Look again!

So I took the logical next step of describing how right wing we've been for the last few decades and where those in power,

This isn't about them. that is off topic!

who you have defended in prior threads,

This isnt true. Im not here to defend neoconservatives or anyone like that and I challenge you to produce any evidence I did so but NOT HERE! start your own thread on it and tell me where you wil back it up . This thread isnt about right wing people whom to be honest I have frequently criticised elsewhere.
Nor is it about ME or linking me to any conspiracy of the right just as i predicted would happen.

your intial post, for what I believe it to be, no more than a cheap ill-conceived smear campaign.

LOL. Gerry Adams Brian cowan and others are treated in one way but anything against Gilmore Rabbitte and all the other stickie Official IRA elements are "smear"
You can't smear someone for being in the Official IRA or being linked to it if they actually were linked to it!

and addressing my intentions for starting this discussion isnt addressing the discussion. It is in fact trying to smear the OP i.e. me . I havewnt done anything wrong or been involved in anything questionable or been linked to OIRA PIRA or anything of the sort. Nor am I linked to any Right wing extremists.

By the way, you will never cajole me into avoiding blaming FFail

Blkame them all you want but NOT HERE! This isnt a thread about blaming FF. It is about OIRA SF WP and how Labour people today were involved in all that.

I guess all they can hope for is people not to mention them at all.

Mention FF somewhere else. this isnt about FF . Except in the case where they appointed Eoghan Harris ex Ned Stapelton cumann member to the Senate.

ISAW · 14-02-2011 12:02AM

goat2 wrote: »

Dionysus wrote: »

If this is the best you can do, Gilmore has nothing to fear. I'd say this is a pathetic attempt to defame a man, but that would imply there's something wrong with any of what you've said, which, despite your clear intentions, there isn't. Éamonn Gilmore is an honourable, decent man. The very many people from all political parties who know him can attest to this.[/QUOTE are there no skeletons in fg closet,

Here we go again!

This isnt about FF or FG or anyone else! It is about OIRA, Group B forged money etc. You know? the things
that the old stickies were involved with?
Can you not understand that?

ArtSmart · 14-02-2011 12:42AM

for those who might accuse boards.ie of being intolerant to em, diverse views, i say this thread is a shinning example of tolerance by the boards admin/ mods.

ISAW · 14-02-2011 01:42AM

Nodin wrote: »

Why does it take "a few weeks" to post?

Because one has to read the material comprehened it interpret it condense it and transcribe it when one has the time.

This is - allegedly - historical fact.

i don't know what "historic fact" is? the past is fact. History is an interpretation.

Given that you stated that the amount already posted is supposedly a third of the information relating to RTE, its hardly a massive amount.

About a third of the information from that book. If you call several pages in a printed book "hardly massive" then that is your opinion. It only took one file supposedly on the AG's desk to pull down the Labour FF government. after they found out the Minister of justice didn't see the file Labour claimed to have pulled out of government. Hardly a massive amount but enough to bring down a government.

In addition, you might actually lay out a case rather than listing out who was a member of what and when.

The thread is about who what and when was linked to the Official IRA Group B SFWP etc. about union involvement and where they are today (if not dead or retired mostly in Labour or the Labour movement)

If you want addition to it go and read the book!

nesf · 14-02-2011 01:44AM

I'm locking this thread, not because of the topic but because it seems to have been started to prove a point about how people react on this forum to certain topics. This will need to be reviewed by the mods.

The Unoffiical IRA thread

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