sarkozy is anti irish.

BeeDI · 05-02-2011 01:34PM #1

So little Hitler ....... I mean napoleon is at his rabble rousing again regarding European tax policies. He is determined to force Ireland to give up our low corporation tax. Isn't it time our taoiseach, gave him an unmercifull public rebuke. We should Recall that russian diplomat we xpelled and immediately expel a few frogs. Stop all this faffin around.

whiteonion · 05-02-2011 01:40PM

When France helps bailing out Ireland off course they will have some opinions about how we in Ireland collect tax revenues.

Sand · 05-02-2011 01:45PM

OP - How do you feel about Anglo-Irish and Seanie Fitzpatrick? Thats how the rest of the EU feels about Ireland and Cowen.

Sarkozy is just playing to his voters.

markesmith · 05-02-2011 01:46PM

Yeah, come on BeeDi. Sarkozy's entitled to an opinion on this, doesn't mean he's anti-Irish. You're adding two and two to get five.

JOSman · 05-02-2011 01:46PM

As far as I'm aware (could be wrong) the more staff you employ in France the less your corporate tax liability is. But don't know what the lower taxation level goes to.

RichardAnd · 05-02-2011 01:53PM

BeeDI wrote: »

So little Hitler ....... I mean napoleon is at his rabble rousing again regarding European tax policies. He is determined to force Ireland to give up our low corporation tax. Isn't it time our taoiseach, gave him an unmercifull public rebuke. We should Recall that russian diplomat we xpelled and immediately expel a few frogs. Stop all this faffin around.

Don't compare Napoleon to SarKozy. Napoleon was from Corsica, not France, and he was a great man, Sarkozy is not.

Amhran Nua · 05-02-2011 02:00PM

whiteonion wrote: »

When France helps bailing out Ireland

You mean, when France collects a sweet profit from its loan to Ireland, to pay for banks that Ireland shouldn't have been responsible for.

The whole thing is purely political, France hasn't balanced its books for the last thirty five years running and has no standing to look down at us, we've had plenty of surpluses in that time. The reality here is Sarkozy is in deep trouble with his own voters, especially over the retirement age thing, and needs a scapegoat. Poisoning international relations and doing great damage to our tourist industry comes a poor second to that in his mind.

sollar · 05-02-2011 02:02PM

Sarkozy is a bit of a bully and a coward i think. He has been against our corp tax for years but now that auld paddy is on the ground he is sticking the boot in.

Daroxtar · 05-02-2011 02:04PM

Godwinned OP. /Thread

anthony4335 · 05-02-2011 02:20PM

The one thing I cannot understand is if he has such a problem with it been an unfair advantage to Ireland in attracting foreign investment ,he has always got the the option as leader of his country at reducing the French rate to match or beat the Irish rate. Why must we be forced into conforming with the French. He has had this bug up his behind way before the bailout, Cowen should have stood up and told him where to go . But that would have been asking too much from the coward.

gigino · 05-02-2011 04:17PM

whiteonion wrote: »

When France helps bailing out Ireland off course they will have some opinions about how we in Ireland collect tax revenues.

I guess the way of the world is that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

For many decades we done better out of the European taxpayer in Germany, Britain + France + Holland etc than anyone else.
Then we as a country borrowed too much + went mad. Of course they should not have given so much. Now the game is up. We are looked on as a low tax, corrupt little "cowboy" island, with light touch regulation and Taoiseachs who fax the IMF from the pub, and senior politicians who get digouts from "de lads" in Manchester and support themselves by winning money on the horses and who do not have a bank account. And who later get their photo taken in a cupboard! ( after retiring with a bigger payout than their own politicians get ).

Its only a matter of time before they say " no more money from us unless you stop undercutting us on the tax rate."

mohawk · 05-02-2011 04:23PM

gigino wrote: »

Its only a matter of time before they say " no more money from us unless you stop undercutting us on the tax rate."

And how would we pay them back if we raised our corporation rate and all the multinationals decide to feck off to Singapore or china or elsewhere? Our unemployment rate is over 13% and they want us be be even more uncompetitive?

BeeDI · 05-02-2011 05:18PM

Hey, didn't France have to be rescued not once but twice in the last century, when they rolled over and capitulated to the Germans. Don't let's listen to any crap from sarky.

gigino · 05-02-2011 05:41PM

mohawk wrote: »

And how would we pay them back if we raised our corporation rate and all the multinationals decide to feck off to Singapore or china or elsewhere? Our unemployment rate is over 13% and they want us be be even more uncompetitive?

They are more worried about their own voters / unemployment.

In reality we may never pay anyone back anyway , + will probably default. Even in the heady days of the celtic tiger we were getting many billions of aid from the EC....as we have been for decades. We are a long way from breaking even, never mind paying anyone back.

blue_steel · 05-02-2011 06:05PM

whiteonion wrote: »

When France helps bailing out Ireland off course they will have some opinions about how we in Ireland collect tax revenues.

France is helping to bail out Irish banks not Ireland. They are doing this to save their own banks and make a decent profit on the loan. Simple as. Sark should be told to go f**k himself.

steve9859 · 05-02-2011 06:12PM

BeeDI wrote: »

So little Hitler ....... I mean napoleon is at his rabble rousing again regarding European tax policies. He is determined to force Ireland to give up our low corporation tax. Isn't it time our taoiseach, gave him an unmercifull public rebuke. We should Recall that russian diplomat we xpelled and immediately expel a few frogs. Stop all this faffin around.

Nonsense! He is pro-France, as I would expect him to be if I were French! He wants rid our tax rate to help France, not because he has any personal animosity toward the Irish. And we owe him money so he has a right to a say.

It's just business (which of course is what Tony Soprano would say before he put a bullet in your head!)

NIMAN · 05-02-2011 06:16PM

We would not be in such a mess if some of the major bondholders and those who lent money recklessly to Irish banks, i.e. the German and French banks, had to be repaid for taking a punt.

We would recover in a couple of years if they didn't blackmail us into paying every cent back that was risked by idiots on the continent.

So I join the list of people who say Fcuk him.

steve9859 · 05-02-2011 06:23PM

NIMAN wrote: »

We would not be in such a mess if some of the major bondholders and those who lent money recklessly to Irish banks, i.e. the German and French banks, had to be repaid for taking a punt.

We would recover in a couple of years if they didn't blackmail us into paying every cent back that was risked by idiots on the continent.

So I join the list of people who say Fcuk him.

I'm not suggesting for one second that we dint say Fcuk him!! Just responding to the OP who suggested he is anti Irish. I'm suggesting he is not purposefully picking on Ireland, he is doing what is best for France (even tho the end result is much the same)

mohawk · 05-02-2011 06:50PM

steve9859 wrote: »

Nonsense! He is pro-France, as I would expect him to be if I were French! He wants rid our tax rate to help France, not because he has any personal animosity toward the Irish. And we owe him money so he has a right to a say.

It's just business (which of course is what Tony Soprano would say before he put a bullet in your head!)

He is deluded if he thinks us changing our corporation tax will help France. Does he really think that the multinationals will leave Ireland for France?

We are a tiny nation on outskirts of Europe and a low corporation tax is all we have to offer. Hopefully this is all just words to make the French public happy.

NIMAN · 05-02-2011 06:53PM

in all the debates about getting Irl to lower their corporation tax, I have never once heard anyone suggest to the likes of the French "why don't you lower yours to 12.5%".

BeeDI · 05-02-2011 07:07PM

Best thing about the little man is Carla:cool:

P. Breathnach · 05-02-2011 07:17PM

BeeDI wrote: »

Hey, didn't France have to be rescued not once but twice in the last century, when they rolled over and capitulated to the Germans. Don't let's listen to any crap from sarky.

It's ugly when those who fought alongside the French say such things; it's pathetic when those who stayed out of the conflict say them.

steve9859 · 05-02-2011 07:26PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It's ugly when those who fought alongside the French say such things; it's pathetic when those who stayed out of the conflict say them.

+1

Dannyboy83 · 05-02-2011 07:29PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It's ugly when those who fought alongside the French say such things; it's pathetic when those who stayed out of the conflict say them.

The ironic thing about people saying it is that it's not even true.
Many of the French laid down their lives so that the Brits could evacuate!
This seems to get totally overlooked.
God damn cheese eating surrender monkeys!

p.s.
Have a French rifle for sale, never been fired, only been dropped once.

HellFireClub · 05-02-2011 08:14PM

He's dead right, the same logic that was behind our low tax "let's all deal in property" policy, is driving this stupidity that says we stick to our 12.5% CT rate. How come countries like Germany can get one fine without busts and booms and have stable confident growth year on year, without a rediculously low rate of 12.5% CT? We are deluding ourselves that these multinationals are here for life, they aren't! Where's Dell now?!?

BeeDI · 05-02-2011 08:25PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It's ugly when those who fought alongside the French say such things; it's pathetic when those who stayed out of the conflict say them.

Have you any idea how many irishmen died in both world wars?

later12 · 05-02-2011 08:57PM

HellFireClub wrote: »

How come countries like Germany can get one fine without busts and booms and have stable confident growth year on year, without a rediculously low rate of 12.5% CT?

Efficiency, capital infrastrcure, and wage restraint.

It's pretty obvious why Ireland has to compensate.

swampgas · 05-02-2011 09:00PM

NIMAN wrote: »

in all the debates about getting Irl to lower their corporation tax, I have never once heard anyone suggest to the likes of the French "why don't you lower yours to 12.5%".

Suppose that France did lower its rate to 12.5% specially for MNCs - what would we do then? Lower ours to 10%? 5%? 0%?

We shouldn't assume that we can depend on the 12.5% rate forever - we need a stronger base for our economy than that.

Amhran Nua · 05-02-2011 09:51PM

HellFireClub wrote: »

He's dead right, the same logic that was behind our low tax "let's all deal in property" policy, is driving this stupidity that says we stick to our 12.5% CT rate. How come countries like Germany can get one fine without busts and booms and have stable confident growth year on year, without a rediculously low rate of 12.5% CT? We are deluding ourselves that these multinationals are here for life, they aren't! Where's Dell now?!?

On the plus side, we are still allowed to sing our own national anthem, not having attempted to commit genocide within living memory. While a bit glib, this does serve to underline a point, in that even an otherwise perfectly capable people can be lead astray by incompetent leadership, and our electoral system is almost guaranteed to produce such leadership, which naturally extends to economic growth as well.

Of course the full answer is a lot more complex, Germany was a world class industrial power while Ireland was still struggling to get out from under the heel of the British Empire, which is not an excuse of course, but it is an excellent place to start.

At the end of the day, we can't depend in the long term on our CTR, we need to focus on building our own domestic niche industries, like other small European countries. In the short and medium term however, we will have great difficulty prospering without it.

P. Breathnach · 05-02-2011 09:53PM

BeeDI wrote: »

Have you any idea how many irishmen died in both world wars?

Yes, including people connected to me. What you said is still reprehensible.

yosemite_sam · 05-02-2011 09:59PM

BeeDI wrote: »

So little Hitler ....... I mean napoleon is at his rabble rousing again regarding European tax policies. He is determined to force Ireland to give up our low corporation tax. Isn't it time our taoiseach, gave him an unmercifull public rebuke. We should Recall that russian diplomat we xpelled and immediately expel a few frogs. Stop all this faffin around.

We had to go cap in hand to him, what do you expect

sarkozy is anti irish.

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