anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

sharkie66 wrote: »

Here you accuse me of being delusional in my views while then agreeing with my assertion!

I agree that a united Ireland is quite likely. The delusional part is the notion that unionists will be persuaded, as opposed to being outvoted, to be part of it.

sharkie66 wrote: »

To top it off you go on about population increases and other unfounded assertions with no evidence to support your argument.

Do you deny that the nationalist population is growing more rapidly in NI?
If you favour a UI, you better hope that this is the case and that it continues. Because that it the only way a UI will happen.

lugha wrote: »

I see you are new here. I could probably find a half dozen threads in the last couple of months alone where unionists/loyalists insist that they don't consider themselves Irish only to be rebuked by nationalists saying "don't be silly! Of course you are!
But it is hardly necessary. Give it a week or two and another one will be along!

Lugha surely it is only right to provide some form of evidence to any assertion posted. I don't see why I or the rest of us here, new and old have to wait a couple of weeks for you to provide this evidence!

Anyway I am getting a little bored with the way the thread is going so you can have the last word on it!

the_syco wrote: »

But they have yet to say where they'll get the money, which is bad. They'll default on the bank loans, and then expect someone to magically lend to them? Fairy land economics, tbh.

At least they are prepared to put it up to the IMF/EU rather than lie down and take the unfair punitive interest rates imposed unjustly on the working classes of Ireland. FG and Lab are humming and hawing about what to do!

Christ on a stick. You do realize that Republican doesn't have to equal Shinner, yes?

It's a pity you didn't read the earlier posts by our friend Max as you would have seen that I fully understand that concept i.e. you don't necessarily have to be a SF supporter to be classed as a Republican!
To help you, have a look below to see the point I was making at the time!


Originally Posted by Max Power1
Ive been a staunch SF supporter until fairly recently, when their ridiculous leftist (OTT) financial policies turned me off them.


It's a pity you can't see any good reason to support Sinn Fein in the upcoming election but I respect your views and wish you all the best whoever you vote for.:)


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Won't be voting SF. BTW, Has Gerry Adams found out what our VAT rate is yet? :rolleyes:

A vote for SF is a vote for FG in essence. Labour are the Left's only chance of being in government and social policy will only be to the fore in a Labour led Government.

sharkie66: please learn how to use the quote tags. It's not that hard.

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sharkie66 wrote: »

At least they are prepared to put it up to the IMF/EU rather than lie down and take the unfair punitive interest rates imposed unjustly on the working classes of Ireland. FG and Lab are humming and hawing about what to do!

Erm, by "putting it to the IMF", you mean running away? And where will SF get money to pay the nurses, the Gardai, etc? Please, do tell me, as I have not heard where they'll get this money.

sharkie66 wrote: »

Fred, pot calling the kettle black comes to mind re above :rolleyes:

that was a type-o. even if it wasn't, poor spelling does not equate to stupidity.

that's the kind of thickness i was referring to.

fred252 wrote: »

that was a type-o. even if it wasn't, poor spelling does not equate to stupidity.

that's the kind of thickness i was referring to.

I agree with you there Fred, poor spelling does not equate to stupidity but if the mistakes continue then it could lead some to believe that a certain level of ignorance could be the root problem. See below.

A typographical error (often shortened to typo) is a mistake made in, originally, the manual type-setting (typography) of printed material, or more recently, the typing process. The term includes errors due to mechanical failure or slips of the hand or finger,[1] but usually excludes errors of ignorance, such as spelling errors.


Note the correct spelling is typo and not type-o which might have some medical meaning but not here in this context. Then there is the subject pronoun mistake regarding capital letters. The letter I, when used as a pronoun referring to yourself must always be written as a capital letter.

In informal English usage the adjective 'thick' is often used to describe a level of ignorance in a person and is considered to be an offensive to many.


When you mentioned that most of the SF candidates were 'Thick as planks' you forgot to support this slanderous assertion. Any chance that you could provide the lacking evidence in your next post? Thanks:)

fred252 wrote: »

that sensible stuff aside most of their candidates are as thick as planks. that might be good enough for americans but i like my t.d.s to be somewhat intelligent.

the_syco wrote: »

Please, do tell me, as I have not heard where they'll get this money.

I agree with fred252: when your party leader wishes to win votes, he should look up information about the country he wants to get elected to. During the time of an economic crisis, not being able to answer the BBC journalist on what the Irish VAT rate is, when he's trying to get elected in Ireland. Not knowing such basic info does make SF candidates look thick as planks.

Slagging someones spelling... lol. It's not only low, but if you have to slag someones spelling, it usually means you can't refute their point :P

sharkie66 and fred252, less of the personalised handbagging please. If you can't stop, at least have the courtesy to do it somewhere else on the Internet where it's more appropriate.

Banbh wrote: »

I'll be voting Sinn Fein this time. It's not that I have any hope of them getting into government but at least we will have an oppositon. I've noticed that any radio or TV politics programmes are terribly dull without a Sinn Fein representative (or Joe Higgins, fair play to him).

The other parties have merged in all but name into a pro-IMF cabal (FF, FG, LAB, GR) and only argue over the best way to get the Irish people to pay back the robber barons. I like the SF idea of telling the IMF to sod off - makes perfect economic sense.

It makes perfect economic sense if you look no further than 10 months into the future. With no bailout money, no option to go to bond markets and no National Pension Reserve Fund we will have no money to cover our c.€13bn deficit next year. SFs plan sounds good but they forgot one little detail, 2012!

Banbh wrote: »

It makes me laugh when some 'expert' with a degree in economics challenges Sinn Fein's policy. Economics, as studied in our universities is not a science or even a discipline. It should be put on a par with theology as it all boils down to faith and assertion.

You've convinced me. If the educated disagree with them then they have to be getting something right. It's like them doctors with homeopathy. They're just trying to keep all the moneys for themselves. The greedy bollixes.

sceptre wrote: »

sharkie66 and fred252, less of the personalised handbagging please. If you can't stop, at least have the courtesy to do it somewhere else on the Internet where it's more appropriate.

Point taken.
Will stick to topic,
cheers:)

squod wrote: »

SF's plan isn't great, granted. Could someone give an answer to this though. When we default on the IMF deal (like everyone is predicting) and the country is truly bolloxed, who will we borrow from then?

At least if we default because we cant repay the loan we can blame the IMF (our governments have plenty of practice in blaming others) for imposing stupid terms that made it impossible for us to repay. In that situation they would have to look after us. However, if SF get their way and we tell the IMF to p*ss off we will be out on our own. Like I pointed out earlier, SF dont seem to realise we will still have a deficit somewhere in the region of €14bn at the end of this year. Little issues such as how do we pay gardai, nurses, pensioners, social welfare, etc. dont matter when you can shout populist slogans (no matter how unrealistic they are).