Are we really much more better of than Egypt?

partyatmygaff · 31-01-2011 08:52PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

A trip out with the Vincent de Paul and you may challenge your preconceptions somewhat.

There is a lot of poverty on the periphery in Ireland, people whose lives just didn't roll easy for varying reasons, mortgage arrears would not be a concern for them.

Yes but even so it's incomparable to the poverty that the poor of Egypt face.

Rented Mule · 31-01-2011 08:52PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

I'm leaving in June regardless, I'll cast a useless vote for the lessor of evils and watch how the quangos etc go completely unchanged as I pack my bags and hit the ferry to contribute to a countries economy that isn't as brazen as ours!

you're welcome to your negativity and I apologise for wanting to actually make a mark before I go!

You're leaving in June and just looking for a little revolution in the meantime ?

ejmaztec · 31-01-2011 08:52PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

reply of the year right here folks!!

Yep, he's hit the nile on the head with that one.

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 08:52PM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Pity you took it out of context.

i'm not quite sure what you mean but I understood it to be a sarcastic "denial
is not a river in Egypt"??

LambsEye · 31-01-2011 08:54PM

fontanalis wrote: »

While I agree that Ireland needs radical change, a mob with no cohesive sensible plan running around causing trouble won't bring it.

Definitely, but if you think about how corrupt to the core all of our institutions are then it would seem like we're out of options. I'm obviously not saying take to the streets with your pitchforks and effigies but sometimes you wonder what other way can a huge change be made?

Then again, taking to the streets and ousting the government, (which are out anyway,) won't make the systems any less insidious. You'd have to overall the entire infrastructure of our country and society.

God. I'm depressed now.

fontanalis · 31-01-2011 08:55PM

LambsEye wrote: »

Definitely, but if you think about how corrupt to the core all of our institutions are then it would seem like we're out of options. I'm obviously not saying take to the streets with your pitchforks and effigies but sometimes you wonder what other way can a huge change be made?

Then again, taking to the streets and ousting the government, (which are out anyway,) won't make the systems any less insidious. You'd have to overall the entire infrastructure of our country and society.

God. I'm depressed now.

See the thread about left handed people. The rot goes deep.

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 08:56PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

You're leaving in June and just looking for a little revolution in the meantime ?

i'm forced to leave 2 kids behind and emigrate! would you deny me the right to vote before I leave too or am I just not allowed get rightfully angry at the system in place here?!?

fontanalis · 31-01-2011 08:56PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

i'm not quite sure what you mean but I understood it to be a sarcastic "denial
is not a river in Egypt"??

Tut tut, but he's not in denial or the nile or any river.

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 08:59PM

LambsEye wrote: »

Definitely, but if you think about how corrupt to the core all of our institutions are then it would seem like we're out of options. I'm obviously not saying take to the streets with your pitchforks and effigies but sometimes you wonder what other way can a huge change be made?

Then again, taking to the streets and ousting the government, (which are out anyway,) won't make the systems any less insidious. You'd have to overall the entire infrastructure of our country and society.

God. I'm depressed now.

it would change the system though, if there were real fears of people power the old system would have to completely overhauled in a realistic timeframe and if it wasn't shown to be progressing very quickly we could take to the streets again!!

m@cc@ · 31-01-2011 09:02PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

THE CORRUPTION HERE IN IRELAND IS CONTINUING LIKE IT HAS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND WE'RE STILL NOT RISING TO DEFEAT IT!!

why don't we walk like an Egyption and take back the power from the bastards in "control"?

Maybe we're in de Nile?

LambsEye · 31-01-2011 09:06PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

it would change the system though, if there were real fears of people power the old system would have to completely overhauled in a realistic timeframe and if it wasn't shown to be progressing very quickly we could take to the streets again!!

No see I don't think it would. In Egypt they revolted to overthrow a dictatorship, so they had a very real and singular target, which unified the entire populace. In Ireland we don't have that one tangible thing about which we would all rebel. There's just a general air of unhappiness with the way things are going.

If you were to stage a revolution you'd have to completely redesign: The structure of the government, banks, schools, taxes and this would be impossible because everyone who's benefiting from the corruption has power and are content to **** on the little people, and the thing is, there are a LOT of them.

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 09:06PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Maybe we're in de Nile?

so 5 mins ago there mate :pac:

Lumen · 31-01-2011 09:09PM

Pointless revolution is pointless.

DoesNotCompute · 31-01-2011 09:14PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

yes and you believe that change your after is going to come thru the ballot box is it?

it's time to smell the coffee here people, the man isn't going to change a thing until we force them too through brute force!!

Srsly, you should join the ULA :P

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 09:18PM

LambsEye wrote: »

No see I don't think it would. In Egypt they revolted to overthrow a dictatorship, so they had a very real and singular target, which unified the entire populace. In Ireland we don't have that one tangible thing about which we would all rebel. There's just a general air of unhappiness with the way things are going.

If you were to stage a revolution you'd have to completely redesign: The structure of the government, banks, schools, taxes and this would be impossible because everyone who's benefiting from the corruption has power and are content to **** on the little people, and the thing is, there are a LOT of them.

so a mob of say up to 500,000 demanding real change would be crushed by pen pushers?

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 09:21PM

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Srsly, you should join the ULA :P

at this stage I'd whatever I had too, I'd give my life for this country if I thought it would make a real difference

you making stupid suggestions on the other hand shows me the level of your commitment

LambsEye · 31-01-2011 09:22PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

so a mob of say up to 500,000 demanding real change would be crushed by pen pushers?

Sadly I think it would! I'd love a nice sociable rebellion as much as the next girl but I really don't think it would work.

I'm very disillusioned with everything at the moment though! Another big factor would be the army. In Egypt the army is mostly supporting the protests and so that's why they've been able to gain momentum. If the same were to happen in Ireland the army would be called in immediately to quell any insurgency.

partyatmygaff · 31-01-2011 09:23PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

so a mob of say up to 500,000 demanding real change would be crushed by pen pushers?

The government would do as the Egyptian government did. They'd send out the air force's F16s and a few of our Abrams tanks to intimidate the -

Actually, on second thought. They'd just crumble :pac:

In all seriousness though, there's no way Ireland would ever have 500,000 people united in one protest. Egypt is a country of 85 million so to them 500,000 isn't that high a percentage. In Ireland 500,000 would be1/10 of our population.

partyatmygaff · 31-01-2011 09:26PM

LambsEye wrote: »

If the same were to happen in Ireland the army would be called in immediately to quell any insurgency.

Wouldn't work. No one is going to be intimidated by a few foot soldiers carrying AUGs. That and the army in Ireland doesn't have the same level of public adoration as does the Egyptian military.

NeedaNewName · 31-01-2011 09:29PM

Our society is geared towards submissiveness. Home ownership, marriage, materialism.

The more you have to "lose" the less likely you are to risk losing it.

LambsEye · 31-01-2011 09:34PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Wouldn't work. No one is going to be intimidated by a few foot soldiers carrying AUGs. That and the army in Ireland doesn't have the same level of public adoration as does the Egyptian military.

Truth. The Egyptian army's support of the protests is a massive part in the success of the revolts. The Irish army probably wouldn't influence much whatever way they swung.

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Our society is geared towards submissiveness. Home ownership, marriage, materialism.

The more you have to "lose" the less likely you are to risk losing it.

Definitely. We're conditioned to think that we have to own a house, and a car to be a success. We're too comfortable in this bubble to jeopardise it. The Egyptians have nothing, so they have nothing to lose.

Dudess · 31-01-2011 09:42PM

Another Irish person whinges about how we Irish don't stand up for ourselves... that person doesn't either... the world continues to turn.

Oh and yes, we're MUCH better off than the people of Egypt.

NeedaNewName · 31-01-2011 09:44PM

Dudess wrote: »

Another Irish person whinges about how we Irish don't stand up for ourselves... that person doesn't either... the world continues to turn.

Oh and yes, we're MUCH better off than the people of Egypt.

Could be the fluoride! And the much better of measuring barometer is?

karlog · 31-01-2011 09:50PM

Don't forget Iceland who's people refused to take on their bank's debt, when we Irish simply bent over.

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 09:56PM

ok, after taking on board peoples views towards showing the current/prospective government the people want ACTUAL CHANGE and looking at the biggest actions/reactions taken against anything in the past year or two I can't help but be embarrassed that the Egyptions can get together without access to internets or phones!!

trying to do anything positive here for the greater good is lost on the internet

whoopdedoo · 31-01-2011 09:58PM

Dudess wrote: »

Another Irish person whinges about how we Irish don't stand up for ourselves... that person doesn't either... the world continues to turn.

Oh and yes, we're MUCH better off than the people of Egypt.

you're way off the mark about me babe!!

sadly

Fight_Night · 31-01-2011 10:02PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

ok, after taking on board peoples views towards showing the current/prospective government the people want ACTUAL CHANGE and looking at the biggest actions/reactions taken against anything in the past year or two I can't help but be embarrassed that the Egyptions can get together without access to internets or phones!!

trying to do anything positive here for the greater good is lost on the internet

You have a very disillusioned view of the Egyptian situation, it's not all rainbows and lollipops, 100 people were killed and for all we know the next party that comes into power could be just as bad. Which brings me to the next point, say hypothetically if we were to revolt against the government and overthrow them, who would you replace them with?

Laisurg · 31-01-2011 10:06PM

Well the kinds of people in ireland that would actually take part in violence and anarcy on the streets against the police don't have a clue that a lot of our politicians are corrupt, so i'd say thats why it hasn't happened :P also we are better off because the streets are safer than egypts because we don't have any big riots. And theres going to be a general election soon as well in which we can choose to boot out the ejjits in power at the moment, where as egypt has had the same bloke in power for the last 30 years and he wouldn't step down, different circumstances

mloc · 31-01-2011 10:09PM

Stupid Irish people being stupid.

What is the point of 500,000 people "protesting" on the streets at the moment? It's just a vague attempt at venting; people with no ideas and nothing positive to bring, getting violent and damaging our country along with disrupting the lives of those trying to get on with it.

I don't buy the "there's no point in voting, it won't change anything" bull. 500,000 people voting could change anything; the kind of people who protest without bringing real alternatives to the table are just too lazy or stupid to mobilize a democratic change.

Don't be so ignorant as to compare our situation to Egypt, where there has been no democracy for the last 21 years. We have had a working democracy, and we have used it. Lazy voting, caring too much about Pat who fixes potholes in the constituency and blissfully smiling our stupid heads off through a period of false, artificial wealth is what has led us to where we are.

AnonoBoy · 31-01-2011 10:11PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

yada yada yada!!!

Shoeba-doeba-do! Hey!

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Our society is geared towards submissiveness. Home ownership, marriage, materialism.

The more you have to "lose" the less likely you are to risk losing it.

And as we all know Egyptians famously don't buy property or get married.

Are we really much more better of than Egypt?

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