Are we really much more better of than Egypt?

whoopdedoo

yes I know there are horrible instances of torture etc but as regards corruption in politics goes they've had 30 years of it and now won't leave the streets til it's sorted out once and for all!

more power to them I say!! there was a guy on the news just there who said he'd been out protesting for 3 days and will stay til he dies if he has to. here in Ireland we manage some lone nutter on a 3 day hunger strike outside the dail only to return home for a nice hot meal on the 4th day, WTF!!!

on a day when we see Ivor "the snake" Callely awarded €17,000 for a 20 day suspension we're treated to the return of Willie "dodgy dicky" O' Dea back in government and the appointment of 14 token noobs to government for 3/4 weeks.

THE CORRUPTION HERE IN IRELAND IS CONTINUING LIKE IT HAS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND WE'RE STILL NOT RISING TO DEFEAT IT!!

why don't we walk like an Egyption and take back the power from the bastards in "control"?

phasers

I fail to see how people not eating is going to save Ireland.

whoopdedoo

phasers wrote: »

I fail to see how people not eating is going to save Ireland.

yada yada yada!!!

Badgermonkey

whoopdedoo wrote: »

why don't we walk like an Egyption and take back the power from the bastards in "control"?

I'm free all day Saturday and Sunday after 1pm, what you got planned?

c_man

Are we really much more better of than Egypt?

Over a hundred people have been shot in the past few days demanding a change in government.

I'll get the chance to cast a ballot within a few weeks.


Yeah, we're much better off.

whoopdedoo

c_man wrote: »

Over a hundred people have been shot in the past few days demanding a change in government.

I'll get the chance to cast a ballot within a few weeks.


Yeah, we're much better off.

yes and you believe that change your after is going to come thru the ballot box is it?

it's time to smell the coffee here people, the man isn't going to change a thing until we force them too through brute force!!

red menace

whoopdedoo wrote: »

Yes,and you believe that change your after is going to come through the ballot box is it?

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee here people, the government isn't going to change a thing until we force them to through brute force!!

What do you want them replaced with?

whoopdedoo

Badgermonkey wrote: »

I'm free all day Saturday and Sunday after 1pm, what you got planned?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic here or not.

I've been to the protests in Dublin, the big one was amazing but right now I think we need to take it up a level and show the man we're deadly serious about a total change to the system here!

The_Kew_Tour

It's only matter of time before a TD in this country will get really hurt.

Only so much **** people can take

whoopdedoo

red menace wrote: »

What do you want them replaced with?

I'm not 100% sure tbh, all I know is if there was a real fear of a further uprising then whoever did come to power might be compelled to instigate real and meaningful change!

phasers

Are you going to offer any suggestions about how ireland should change or do you just want a pointless 'revolution' for the sake of it?

hotmail.com

I don't think any of the protestors in Egypt are looking for greater equality between men and women.

Bloody Nipples

Yes because our leaders, inept or otherwise, have a mandate from the masses, whereas in Egypt they have a dictator who has ruled without interruption for the past 30 years.

While the general level of dissent in Ireland might not reach the levels you would like, at least we can be reasonably sure that by April the current government will be gone. They don't have such guarantees in Egypt. Mubarak could crush this protest in the morning if they brought the army out in force.

LambsEye

c_man wrote: »

Over a hundred people have been shot in the past few days demanding a change in government.

I'll get the chance to cast a ballot within a few weeks.


Yeah, we're much better off.

whoopdedoo wrote: »

yes and you believe that change your after is going to come thru the ballot box is it?

it's time to smell the coffee here people, the man isn't going to change a thing until we force them too through brute force!!

I actually agree with the OP. There's going to be an estimated million people marching on Cairo before Friday, and this is in a poor country which has had their communication infrastructure shut down for large periods of time. For Egypt to organise and maintain a revolt of this level is pretty impressive and it shows what can happen when the people get together to demand change. Unfortunately casualties are a result of this.

Casting your vote will in no way make a difference in this country. We're in too deep and whomever comes to power next will just be inheriting a maelstrom of bull**** that will have to be waded through before any radical change can happen,

phasers wrote: »

Are you going to offer any suggestions about how ireland should change or do you just want a pointless 'revolution' for the sake of it?

I really hate when people say this, because when you're dissatisfied and disillusioned with something you mightn't always have the answers as to how to fix it, but you should still be able to express those sentiments.

Cookie_Monster

Of course we're more better.

Badgermonkey

whoopdedoo wrote: »

I don't know if you're being sarcastic here or not.

I've been to the protests in Dublin, the big one was amazing but right now I think we need to take it up a level and show the man we're deadly serious about a total change to the system here!

Yes I was being sarcastic, though I am surprised nobody has pelted the front of Anglo Irish Bank on Stephens Green with pigs blood or some such.

It would give me a certain sense of satisfaction 'til it was pointed out the public pays for the clean up.:(

partyatmygaff

FFS, people here have no sense of perspective.

In a few weeks you'll be walking in to a polling station and you'll be voting in a new government. There's nothing to fear and no need to protest.

People here complain of poverty. By poverty they mean being unable to afford paying their massive €2000 mortgage every month or not being able to go get hammered every saturday. In Egypt there are people living in true poverty and they are some of the ones protesting.

When people in Ireland complain of police brutality they usually mean a Garda raised their voice at them or tried to restrain them. Over in Egypt police brutality means being at times kidnapped by plain clothes policemen in broad daylight to be brought back to a police station to be beaten and imprisoned.

Our "problems" are nothing compared to the problems of most countries. We're just far too used to comfort.

fontanalis

red menace wrote: »

What do you want them replaced with?

Wolfie Smith by the sounds of it.
Anyway, who are the Egyptian protestors made up off? Are they interested in genuine democracy or more theocratical?

whoopdedoo

phasers wrote: »

Are you going to offer any suggestions about how ireland should change or do you just want a pointless 'revolution' for the sake of it?

no it's not a pointless call for a revolution! I don't have the answers, never said I do but I'll tell you one thing, only thing to bring about real change is by doing a lot more than what we've done so far!!

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Yes because our leaders, inept or otherwise, have a mandate from the masses, whereas in Egypt they have a dictator who has ruled without interruption for the past 30 years.

While the general level of dissent in Ireland might not reach the levels you would like, at least we can be reasonably sure that by April the current government will be gone. They don't have such guarantees in Egypt. Mubarak could crush this protest in the morning if they brought the army out in force.

and the next lot are sure positioning themselves to bring about BIG change alright, come on!!

fontanalis

partyatmygaff wrote: »

FFS, people here have no sense of perspective.

In a few weeks you'll be walking in to a polling station and you'll be voting in a new government. There's nothing to fear and no need to protest.

People here complain of poverty. By poverty they mean being unable to afford paying their massive €2000 mortgage every month or not being able to go get hammered every saturday. In Egypt there are people living in true poverty and they are some of the ones protesting.

When people in Ireland complain of police brutality they usually mean a Garda raised their voice at them or tried to restrain them. Over in Egypt police brutality means being at times kidnapped by plain clothes policemen in broad daylight to be brought back to a police station to be beaten and imprisoned.

Our "problems" are nothing compared to the problems of most countries. We're just far too used to comfort.

The Nile is a big river in Egypt.

fontanalis

whoopdedoo wrote: »

no it's not a pointless call for a revolution! I don't have the answers, never said I do but I'll tell you one thing, only thing to bring about real change is by doing a lot more than what we've done so far!!



and the next lot are sure positioning themselves to bring about BIG change alright, come on!!

So your idea of change is a dictatorship decided by an angry mob?

Bloody Nipples

So they cut your dole by a few euro, get over it.

partyatmygaff

fontanalis wrote: »

Wolfie Smith by the sounds of it.
Anyway, who are the Egyptian protestors made up off? Are they interested in genuine democracy or more theocratical?

A mix of the two. Many people both in Egypt and out fear something similar to the Islamic revolution in Iran, 1979 to occur in the event of Mubarak stepping down.

whoopdedoo

fontanalis wrote: »

The Nile is a big river in Egypt.

reply of the year right here folks!!

Bloody Nipples

whoopdedoo wrote: »

reply of the year right here folks!!

Pity you took it out of context.

whoopdedoo

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

So they cut your dole by a few euro, get over it.

I'm leaving in June regardless, I'll cast a useless vote for the lessor of evils and watch how the quangos etc go completely unchanged as I pack my bags and hit the ferry to contribute to a countries economy that isn't as brazen as ours!

you're welcome to your negativity and I apologise for wanting to actually make a mark before I go!

LambsEye

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

So they cut your dole by a few euro, get over it.

whoopdedoo wrote: »

reply of the year right here folks!!

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Pity you took it out of context.

Janey Mac, Bit of hostility here.

You can't deny that this country is in the ****s and a radical change needs to happen. I don't understand the sneering attitude!

partyatmygaff

whoopdedoo wrote: »

you're welcome to your negativity and I apologise for wanting to actually make a mark before I go!

Make a mark?

How exactly will protesting a government that's being dissolved tomorrow have any effect on Ireland?

Badgermonkey

partyatmygaff wrote: »

By poverty they mean being unable to afford paying their massive €2000 mortgage every month or not being able to go get hammered every saturday.

A trip out with the Vincent de Paul and you may challenge your preconceptions somewhat.

There is a lot of poverty on the periphery in Ireland, people whose lives just didn't roll easy for varying reasons, mortgage arrears would not be a concern for them.

fontanalis

whoopdedoo wrote: »

reply of the year right here folks!!

It was meant as a pisstake of what a "lets all get out on the street against the man" type would say. I agree with everything partyatmygaff said. Be very careful who you look to for inspiration; some of these protestors could be the very type that would gun down any future marchers.
While I agree that Ireland needs radical change, a mob with no cohesive sensible plan running around causing trouble won't bring it.

Badgermonkey

LambsEye wrote: »

Janey Mac, Bit of hostility here.

You can't deny that this country is in the ****s and a radical change needs to happen. I don't understand the sneering attitude!

Top marks for the use of Janey Mac, I salute you LambsEye

partyatmygaff

Badgermonkey wrote: »

A trip out with the Vincent de Paul and you may challenge your preconceptions somewhat.

There is a lot of poverty on the periphery in Ireland, people whose lives just didn't roll easy for varying reasons, mortgage arrears would not be a concern for them.

Yes but even so it's incomparable to the poverty that the poor of Egypt face.

Rented Mule

whoopdedoo wrote: »

I'm leaving in June regardless, I'll cast a useless vote for the lessor of evils and watch how the quangos etc go completely unchanged as I pack my bags and hit the ferry to contribute to a countries economy that isn't as brazen as ours!

you're welcome to your negativity and I apologise for wanting to actually make a mark before I go!

You're leaving in June and just looking for a little revolution in the meantime ?

ejmaztec

whoopdedoo wrote: »

reply of the year right here folks!!

Yep, he's hit the nile on the head with that one.

whoopdedoo

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Pity you took it out of context.

i'm not quite sure what you mean but I understood it to be a sarcastic "denial
is not a river in Egypt"??

LambsEye

fontanalis wrote: »

While I agree that Ireland needs radical change, a mob with no cohesive sensible plan running around causing trouble won't bring it.

Definitely, but if you think about how corrupt to the core all of our institutions are then it would seem like we're out of options. I'm obviously not saying take to the streets with your pitchforks and effigies but sometimes you wonder what other way can a huge change be made?

Then again, taking to the streets and ousting the government, (which are out anyway,) won't make the systems any less insidious. You'd have to overall the entire infrastructure of our country and society.

God. I'm depressed now.

fontanalis

LambsEye wrote: »

Definitely, but if you think about how corrupt to the core all of our institutions are then it would seem like we're out of options. I'm obviously not saying take to the streets with your pitchforks and effigies but sometimes you wonder what other way can a huge change be made?

Then again, taking to the streets and ousting the government, (which are out anyway,) won't make the systems any less insidious. You'd have to overall the entire infrastructure of our country and society.

God. I'm depressed now.

See the thread about left handed people. The rot goes deep.

whoopdedoo

Rented Mule wrote: »

You're leaving in June and just looking for a little revolution in the meantime ?

i'm forced to leave 2 kids behind and emigrate! would you deny me the right to vote before I leave too or am I just not allowed get rightfully angry at the system in place here?!?

fontanalis

whoopdedoo wrote: »

i'm not quite sure what you mean but I understood it to be a sarcastic "denial
is not a river in Egypt"??

Tut tut, but he's not in denial or the nile or any river.

whoopdedoo

LambsEye wrote: »

Definitely, but if you think about how corrupt to the core all of our institutions are then it would seem like we're out of options. I'm obviously not saying take to the streets with your pitchforks and effigies but sometimes you wonder what other way can a huge change be made?

Then again, taking to the streets and ousting the government, (which are out anyway,) won't make the systems any less insidious. You'd have to overall the entire infrastructure of our country and society.

God. I'm depressed now.

it would change the system though, if there were real fears of people power the old system would have to completely overhauled in a realistic timeframe and if it wasn't shown to be progressing very quickly we could take to the streets again!!

m@cc@

whoopdedoo wrote: »

THE CORRUPTION HERE IN IRELAND IS CONTINUING LIKE IT HAS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND WE'RE STILL NOT RISING TO DEFEAT IT!!

why don't we walk like an Egyption and take back the power from the bastards in "control"?

Maybe we're in de Nile?

LambsEye

whoopdedoo wrote: »

it would change the system though, if there were real fears of people power the old system would have to completely overhauled in a realistic timeframe and if it wasn't shown to be progressing very quickly we could take to the streets again!!

No see I don't think it would. In Egypt they revolted to overthrow a dictatorship, so they had a very real and singular target, which unified the entire populace. In Ireland we don't have that one tangible thing about which we would all rebel. There's just a general air of unhappiness with the way things are going.

If you were to stage a revolution you'd have to completely redesign: The structure of the government, banks, schools, taxes and this would be impossible because everyone who's benefiting from the corruption has power and are content to **** on the little people, and the thing is, there are a LOT of them.

whoopdedoo

m@cc@ wrote: »

Maybe we're in de Nile?

so 5 mins ago there mate :pac:

Lumen

Pointless revolution is pointless.

DoesNotCompute

whoopdedoo wrote: »

yes and you believe that change your after is going to come thru the ballot box is it?

it's time to smell the coffee here people, the man isn't going to change a thing until we force them too through brute force!!

Srsly, you should join the ULA :P

whoopdedoo

LambsEye wrote: »

No see I don't think it would. In Egypt they revolted to overthrow a dictatorship, so they had a very real and singular target, which unified the entire populace. In Ireland we don't have that one tangible thing about which we would all rebel. There's just a general air of unhappiness with the way things are going.

If you were to stage a revolution you'd have to completely redesign: The structure of the government, banks, schools, taxes and this would be impossible because everyone who's benefiting from the corruption has power and are content to **** on the little people, and the thing is, there are a LOT of them.

so a mob of say up to 500,000 demanding real change would be crushed by pen pushers?

whoopdedoo

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Srsly, you should join the ULA :P

at this stage I'd whatever I had too, I'd give my life for this country if I thought it would make a real difference

you making stupid suggestions on the other hand shows me the level of your commitment

LambsEye

whoopdedoo wrote: »

so a mob of say up to 500,000 demanding real change would be crushed by pen pushers?

Sadly I think it would! I'd love a nice sociable rebellion as much as the next girl but I really don't think it would work.

I'm very disillusioned with everything at the moment though! Another big factor would be the army. In Egypt the army is mostly supporting the protests and so that's why they've been able to gain momentum. If the same were to happen in Ireland the army would be called in immediately to quell any insurgency.

partyatmygaff

whoopdedoo wrote: »

so a mob of say up to 500,000 demanding real change would be crushed by pen pushers?

The government would do as the Egyptian government did. They'd send out the air force's F16s and a few of our Abrams tanks to intimidate the -

Actually, on second thought. They'd just crumble :pac:


In all seriousness though, there's no way Ireland would ever have 500,000 people united in one protest. Egypt is a country of 85 million so to them 500,000 isn't that high a percentage. In Ireland 500,000 would be1/10 of our population.

partyatmygaff

LambsEye wrote: »

If the same were to happen in Ireland the army would be called in immediately to quell any insurgency.

Wouldn't work. No one is going to be intimidated by a few foot soldiers carrying AUGs. That and the army in Ireland doesn't have the same level of public adoration as does the Egyptian military.

NeedaNewName

Our society is geared towards submissiveness. Home ownership, marriage, materialism.

The more you have to "lose" the less likely you are to risk losing it.