Why you will vote for Fianna Fail?

murpho999 · 28-01-2011 03:03PM #1

I see lots of threads on this forum complaining about Fianna Fail.

Also they have their lowest standing ever in the polls and they are likely to sustain major damage in the forthcoming election.

I have started this thread to ask if there are any Boards.ie members out there who will definitely vote FF in next election and why,considering all that has happened in the last few years.

See lots of criticism of FF here, most of which is deserved but would love to know how some people will still justify giving their vote to FF.

GhostInTheRuins · 28-01-2011 03:05PM

"I've always voted for Fianna Fáil" :rolleyes:

BlaasForRafa · 28-01-2011 03:06PM

"My Father and my Grandfather voted for Fianna Fail"

Lemlin · 28-01-2011 03:10PM

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

murpho999 · 28-01-2011 03:16PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

So do you think mass emigration, unemployment, budget deficits, IMF Bailout & Banking crisis is all down to the minimum wage being too high?

You can't be serious?

steof1984 · 28-01-2011 03:19PM

Are you on the minimum wage ?

Biggins · 28-01-2011 03:21PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

My god, if thats the reason why you will vote for them, I despair.
Talk about a horse wearing convenient blinkers!

scientific1982 · 28-01-2011 03:28PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

Question. Why do you think we had such a high minimum wage. Wouldnt be anything to do with the cost of living would it. Gee I wonder what caused that.

scr123 · 28-01-2011 03:41PM

I vote FF despite no family background in voting for or membership of the party. I find the core ABFF repugnant to my intelligence and a danger to the stability of the state. FF have no daft ideologies like the ABFF and when in power run the country with the intention of generating wealth that has allowed a standard of living for the people of Ireland that our forefathers never dreamt of. There are millions of people buried in graves all over Ireland who if given a look at the poorest of the poor today would say they are living in luxury
FF voters are in the business of economics and leave the politics to the ABFF

Laminations · 28-01-2011 03:42PM

Also I don't the the minimum wage miraculously skyrocketed by itself. FF raised it constantly to buy elections. Why do you think they've suddenly got the interests of the country at heart? The sustained high minimum wage was the result of FF so if you have a problem with our loss of competitiveness, blame FF. Richard Bruton was flagging competitiveness in every budget speech he made over the last 6 years

Laminations · 28-01-2011 03:44PM

Scr123, there is no such grouping as ABFF.

Sulmac · 28-01-2011 03:46PM

scr123 wrote: »

FF have no daft ideologies

Except populism.

stevensi · 28-01-2011 03:49PM

I would consider myself a floating voter and was not going to vote FF but I think now that Martin is the new leader I find myself leaning towards them. A fresh start and a new beginning.

Laminations · 28-01-2011 03:51PM

What's fresh about Martin, or the cabinet he'd appoint or having FF for another 5 years after they broke the country over the last 13?

stevensi · 28-01-2011 03:55PM

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

28-01-2011 03:58PM

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

You have put your finger ont he nub of the problem though, he may well have apologised but see the bit from your own text in bold!

He apologised, the party is the same they have changed the captain of the ship but the same sailors really sail her!

aidan24326 · 28-01-2011 03:59PM

Lemlin wrote: »

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

And did you bother to check how much their cost of living is? And to say our high minimum wage put us where we are is nonsense of the highest order. The minimum wage was a symptom of the disease, not the cause of it.

scr123 wrote: »

FF have no daft ideologies

Fixed that for you.

FF have consistently proven themselves to be a party of cronyist politics. That is their one 'ideology'. Cronyism.

I despair at people like ye who will still vote for them. I feel like knocking on your head to see if there's anybody home.

Nobody is suggesting that FG and Labour will magically bring the country back to life, in fact history makes me very wary of having those two parties in government together. It's far from an ideal solution but at this stage I don't care, FF and their bachanded cronyist politics need to be deposited in the rubbish bin and left there, even if we have to replace them with the cast of Sesame Street.

outandabout · 28-01-2011 04:02PM

When hell freezes over.

sellerbarry · 28-01-2011 04:05PM

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

So, Their cunning plan is working then.;) A wolf in sheeps clothes..................................

Colm R · 28-01-2011 04:26PM

In my job for the past 15 years, I've mismanaged my duties to such an extent that I think I might have brought the company to the brink of going under.

My boss called me this morning. All I said was sorry, he was happy enough with my apology and said I could go back to work.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth......

I can nearly understand why a die hard FF supporter would continue to vote for them. They know no better, and we have to live with that.

But for a floating voter to even contemplate forgiving them for what they have done to this country - I can't even bring myself to argue with that.

stevensi · 28-01-2011 04:32PM

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

As i said I was 90% sure I wouldn't vote FF but now I'm maybe 60-70% sure. The debates will be something that may swing it for me one way or the other!

coconut5 · 28-01-2011 04:39PM

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

If Fianna Fail get reelected, what sort of message does that send them? Do whatever the hell you want, we will support you no matter what you do. The fact is that FG and Labour were not in power, and they deserve the chance now that FF have squandered.

CerebralCortex · 28-01-2011 04:47PM

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

As i said I was 90% sure I wouldn't vote FF but now I'm maybe 60-70% sure. The debates will be something that may swing it for me one way or the other!

Oh come on, just admit you're a trad voter. FF haven't a leg to stand on, no two ways about it. FYI FG and Labour weren't in power, FF were! They messed up! That's reality! Spare us your probabilities.

liammur · 28-01-2011 05:28PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I see lots of threads on this forum complaining about Fianna Fail.

Also they have their lowest standing ever in the polls and they are likely to sustain major damage in the forthcoming election.

I have started this thread to ask if there are any Boards.ie members out there who will definitely vote FF in next election and why,considering all that has happened in the last few years.

See lots of criticism of FF here, most of which is deserved but would love to know how some people will still justify giving their vote to FF.

I'd like to see the likes of M Martin say that accepting €96K for merely resigning as minister for foreign affairs is wrong. This would give us a clear indication that he means something more than a few words.

liammur · 28-01-2011 05:30PM

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that.

I don't think so. Why? Because bertie et al were friends with sean dunne etc, invites to the wedding, the whip arounds. This is what FF stand for.

dan_d · 28-01-2011 05:45PM

I personally won't vote for FF. Mind you, I've no allegiance to any party. I'll be doing a whole lot of investigating of who is doing what in my constituency and what their parties are doing.

But I had a conversation with someone last night, who is in her mid 40s, and whose family are from Tipperary originally. (She was born and lived in Dublin her whole life). We talk politics every now and then, and she follows everything very closely. I always knew she would have been fairly pro-FF, though she criticised them aswell.But yesterday I realised that....she will vote FF "just because". Because she knows the candidates personally, because she's dyed in the wool FF, because that's what she's always done. She literally sat there and told me she was recently at a FF convention/meeting (don't ask me where) and was horrified to realise that Pat Carey was stepping down.She said FF will get annihilated on the doorstep.But not once did she even consider the notion that she might look around at other candidates and see what else was out there. Nope. If FF are doing well, she votes for them, and if they're not - well, she'll either still vote for them, or just not vote at, because it's easier to stick your head in the sand and pretend none of this is happening.

I have to say I was gobsmacked. I just don't understand why people who have some semblance of intelligence and who can actually think for themselves in ordinary life can be so........disinterested, can be such sheep, when it comes to the big affairs - like who runs the country. It actually made me feel slightly ill to listen to her. She talks about Brian Lenihan, and how awful things are and the mistakes of their policies, and isn't it terrible that things are like this....but she still goes out and f&*king votes for them every time!! What kind of democracy is that??????I'm not saying any other alternatives are better or worse. I'm just saying people should at least go out and properly consider the alternatives, instead of just blindly doing the same thing every time around.

fat__tony · 28-01-2011 05:50PM

Colm R wrote: »

In my job for the past 15 years, I've mismanaged my duties to such an extent that I think I might have brought the company to the brink of going under.

My boss called me this morning. All I said was sorry, he was happy enough with my apology and said I could go back to work.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth......

I can nearly understand why a die hard FF supporter would continue to vote for them. They know no better, and we have to live with that.

But for a floating voter to even contemplate forgiving them for what they have done to this country - I can't even bring myself to argue with that.

Well said.

superfish · 28-01-2011 05:50PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

would you work for 7.65 ? not a chance i would

Liam Byrne · 28-01-2011 06:00PM

scr123 wrote: »

I find the core ABFF repugnant to my intelligence and a danger to the stability of the state.

Would you be able to explain why ? Why is detesting one party as a direct result of their actions "repugnant" and "a danger to the stability of the state" ?

scr123 wrote: »

FF have no daft ideologies like the ABFF and when in power run the country with the intention of generating wealth that has allowed a standard of living for the people of Ireland that our forefathers never dreamt of.

Firstly, since "ABFF" doesn't exist as a group, they can't have an ideology (other than maybe having a common ground in wanting to see an end to corruption).

scr123 wrote: »

There are millions of people buried in graves all over Ireland who if given a look at the poorest of the poor today would say they are living in luxury.

Why "today" ? Why not 5 years ago when the economy and growth were stable and sustainable, if only they'd been handled right ?

scr123 wrote: »

FF voters are in the business of economics and leave the politics to the ABFF

FF can't do economics, that's for sure. And while there's a doubt in my mind that the incoming government can, they can't be any worse.

If you were to leave aside all of the above vague, sweeping statements and third-hand soundbytes, can you tell us why you would vote FF ?

jmayo · 28-01-2011 06:08PM

scr123 wrote: »

I vote FF despite no family background in voting for or membership of the party. I find the core ABFF repugnant to my intelligence and a danger to the stability of to the chances of my party screwing the state.

FF have no daft ideologies like the ABFF and when in power run the country with the intention of generating wealth for the connected ones that has allowed a standard of living for the people of Ireland that our forefathers never dreamt of. There are millions of people buried in graves all over Ireland the world becuase they had to emigrate because ff have mismanaged our ecoonomy since the 1930s who if given a look at the poorest of the poor today would say they are living in luxury
FF voters are in the business of economics being economical with the truth and being less than economical with the taxpayers money and leave the politics masive bill for their f**ups to the rest of us unconnected onesABFF

Fixed it for you.

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

Newsflash man whose fmaily were raped and left for dead, forgives one of the leading perps in court today and reckons he should be let go free.
He stated he thought it was alright that the guy apologised.

stevensi wrote: »

I would consider myself a floating voter and was not going to vote FF but I think now that Martin is the new leader I find myself leaning towards them. A fresh start and a new beginning.

Whoooah just had a duck, those pigs are really flying today.

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

As i said I was 90% sure I wouldn't vote FF but now I'm maybe 60-70% sure. The debates will be something that may swing it for me one way or the other!

There is an art to pretending to be something one is not.
Lots of ffers have it, some in other parties have it as well.
You however ?

BTW how much of a part do you think Lehmans played in our ultimate downfall ?

BlaasForRafa · 28-01-2011 06:20PM

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

You mean people that are swayed by a few nice sounding phrases which in actuality are mealy-mouthed non-apologies?

Martin uses soundbite phrases like "We need to change politics in Ireland" and "The consensus view was that we should do thes things" which is his way of trying to spread the blame to FG, Labour and other parties, conviently glossing over the fact that those parties weren't in f*****g power at the time!

Why you will vote for Fianna Fail?

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