Why you will vote for Fianna Fail?

murpho999

I see lots of threads on this forum complaining about Fianna Fail.

Also they have their lowest standing ever in the polls and they are likely to sustain major damage in the forthcoming election.

I have started this thread to ask if there are any Boards.ie members out there who will definitely vote FF in next election and why,considering all that has happened in the last few years.

See lots of criticism of FF here, most of which is deserved but would love to know how some people will still justify giving their vote to FF.

GhostInTheRuins

"I've always voted for Fianna Fáil" :rolleyes:

BlaasForRafa

"My Father and my Grandfather voted for Fianna Fail"

Lemlin

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

murpho999

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

So do you think mass emigration, unemployment, budget deficits, IMF Bailout & Banking crisis is all down to the minimum wage being too high?

You can't be serious?

steof1984

Are you on the minimum wage ?

Biggins

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

My god, if thats the reason why you will vote for them, I despair.
Talk about a horse wearing convenient blinkers!

scientific1982

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

Question. Why do you think we had such a high minimum wage. Wouldnt be anything to do with the cost of living would it. Gee I wonder what caused that.

scr123

I vote FF despite no family background in voting for or membership of the party. I find the core ABFF repugnant to my intelligence and a danger to the stability of the state. FF have no daft ideologies like the ABFF and when in power run the country with the intention of generating wealth that has allowed a standard of living for the people of Ireland that our forefathers never dreamt of. There are millions of people buried in graves all over Ireland who if given a look at the poorest of the poor today would say they are living in luxury
FF voters are in the business of economics and leave the politics to the ABFF

Laminations

Also I don't the the minimum wage miraculously skyrocketed by itself. FF raised it constantly to buy elections. Why do you think they've suddenly got the interests of the country at heart? The sustained high minimum wage was the result of FF so if you have a problem with our loss of competitiveness, blame FF. Richard Bruton was flagging competitiveness in every budget speech he made over the last 6 years

Laminations

Scr123, there is no such grouping as ABFF.

Sulmac

scr123 wrote: »

FF have no daft ideologies

Except populism.

stevensi

I would consider myself a floating voter and was not going to vote FF but I think now that Martin is the new leader I find myself leaning towards them. A fresh start and a new beginning.

Laminations

What's fresh about Martin, or the cabinet he'd appoint or having FF for another 5 years after they broke the country over the last 13?

stevensi

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

RobbieTheRobber

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

You have put your finger ont he nub of the problem though, he may well have apologised but see the bit from your own text in bold!

He apologised, the party is the same they have changed the captain of the ship but the same sailors really sail her!

aidan24326

Lemlin wrote: »

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

And did you bother to check how much their cost of living is? And to say our high minimum wage put us where we are is nonsense of the highest order. The minimum wage was a symptom of the disease, not the cause of it.

scr123 wrote: »

FF have no daft ideologies

Fixed that for you.


FF have consistently proven themselves to be a party of cronyist politics. That is their one 'ideology'. Cronyism.

I despair at people like ye who will still vote for them. I feel like knocking on your head to see if there's anybody home.

Nobody is suggesting that FG and Labour will magically bring the country back to life, in fact history makes me very wary of having those two parties in government together. It's far from an ideal solution but at this stage I don't care, FF and their bachanded cronyist politics need to be deposited in the rubbish bin and left there, even if we have to replace them with the cast of Sesame Street.

outandabout

When hell freezes over.

sellerbarry

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

So, Their cunning plan is working then.;) A wolf in sheeps clothes..................................

Colm R

In my job for the past 15 years, I've mismanaged my duties to such an extent that I think I might have brought the company to the brink of going under.

My boss called me this morning. All I said was sorry, he was happy enough with my apology and said I could go back to work.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth......

I can nearly understand why a die hard FF supporter would continue to vote for them. They know no better, and we have to live with that.

But for a floating voter to even contemplate forgiving them for what they have done to this country - I can't even bring myself to argue with that.

stevensi

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

As i said I was 90% sure I wouldn't vote FF but now I'm maybe 60-70% sure. The debates will be something that may swing it for me one way or the other!

coconut5

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

If Fianna Fail get reelected, what sort of message does that send them? Do whatever the hell you want, we will support you no matter what you do. The fact is that FG and Labour were not in power, and they deserve the chance now that FF have squandered.

CerebralCortex

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

As i said I was 90% sure I wouldn't vote FF but now I'm maybe 60-70% sure. The debates will be something that may swing it for me one way or the other!

Oh come on, just admit you're a trad voter. FF haven't a leg to stand on, no two ways about it. FYI FG and Labour weren't in power, FF were! They messed up! That's reality! Spare us your probabilities.

liammur

murpho999 wrote: »

I see lots of threads on this forum complaining about Fianna Fail.

Also they have their lowest standing ever in the polls and they are likely to sustain major damage in the forthcoming election.

I have started this thread to ask if there are any Boards.ie members out there who will definitely vote FF in next election and why,considering all that has happened in the last few years.

See lots of criticism of FF here, most of which is deserved but would love to know how some people will still justify giving their vote to FF.

I'd like to see the likes of M Martin say that accepting €96K for merely resigning as minister for foreign affairs is wrong. This would give us a clear indication that he means something more than a few words.

liammur

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that.

I don't think so. Why? Because bertie et al were friends with sean dunne etc, invites to the wedding, the whip arounds. This is what FF stand for.

dan_d

I personally won't vote for FF. Mind you, I've no allegiance to any party. I'll be doing a whole lot of investigating of who is doing what in my constituency and what their parties are doing.

But I had a conversation with someone last night, who is in her mid 40s, and whose family are from Tipperary originally. (She was born and lived in Dublin her whole life). We talk politics every now and then, and she follows everything very closely. I always knew she would have been fairly pro-FF, though she criticised them aswell.But yesterday I realised that....she will vote FF "just because". Because she knows the candidates personally, because she's dyed in the wool FF, because that's what she's always done. She literally sat there and told me she was recently at a FF convention/meeting (don't ask me where) and was horrified to realise that Pat Carey was stepping down.She said FF will get annihilated on the doorstep.But not once did she even consider the notion that she might look around at other candidates and see what else was out there. Nope. If FF are doing well, she votes for them, and if they're not - well, she'll either still vote for them, or just not vote at, because it's easier to stick your head in the sand and pretend none of this is happening.

I have to say I was gobsmacked. I just don't understand why people who have some semblance of intelligence and who can actually think for themselves in ordinary life can be so........disinterested, can be such sheep, when it comes to the big affairs - like who runs the country. It actually made me feel slightly ill to listen to her. She talks about Brian Lenihan, and how awful things are and the mistakes of their policies, and isn't it terrible that things are like this....but she still goes out and f&*king votes for them every time!! What kind of democracy is that??????I'm not saying any other alternatives are better or worse. I'm just saying people should at least go out and properly consider the alternatives, instead of just blindly doing the same thing every time around.

fat__tony

Colm R wrote: »

In my job for the past 15 years, I've mismanaged my duties to such an extent that I think I might have brought the company to the brink of going under.

My boss called me this morning. All I said was sorry, he was happy enough with my apology and said I could go back to work.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth......

I can nearly understand why a die hard FF supporter would continue to vote for them. They know no better, and we have to live with that.

But for a floating voter to even contemplate forgiving them for what they have done to this country - I can't even bring myself to argue with that.

Well said.

superfish

Lemlin wrote: »

I will.
Labour and Fine Gael have both talked about reinstating the minimum wage to its previous level of 8.65. That is madness. Along with alot of their other policies which just won't stand up.

One of the biggest reasons for the mess we are in is that the minimum wage was set too high. People talk about how much cheaper other countries are than in Ireland. Have people checked how much their minimum wage is?

In 1995, people were getting 1.80 pound in department stores an hour. Six years later when I left school, the minimum wage was €6.35. That's some jump.
We got way ahead of ourselves and any government which claims it won't have to chop public service budgets and tax us to the hilt is lieing through their teeth.

would you work for 7.65 ? not a chance i would

Liam Byrne

scr123 wrote: »

I find the core ABFF repugnant to my intelligence and a danger to the stability of the state.

Would you be able to explain why ? Why is detesting one party as a direct result of their actions "repugnant" and "a danger to the stability of the state" ?

scr123 wrote: »

FF have no daft ideologies like the ABFF and when in power run the country with the intention of generating wealth that has allowed a standard of living for the people of Ireland that our forefathers never dreamt of.

Firstly, since "ABFF" doesn't exist as a group, they can't have an ideology (other than maybe having a common ground in wanting to see an end to corruption).

scr123 wrote: »

There are millions of people buried in graves all over Ireland who if given a look at the poorest of the poor today would say they are living in luxury.

Why "today" ? Why not 5 years ago when the economy and growth were stable and sustainable, if only they'd been handled right ?

scr123 wrote: »

FF voters are in the business of economics and leave the politics to the ABFF

FF can't do economics, that's for sure. And while there's a doubt in my mind that the incoming government can, they can't be any worse.

If you were to leave aside all of the above vague, sweeping statements and third-hand soundbytes, can you tell us why you would vote FF ?

jmayo

scr123 wrote: »

I vote FF despite no family background in voting for or membership of the party. I find the core ABFF repugnant to my intelligence and a danger to the stability of to the chances of my party screwing the state.

FF have no daft ideologies like the ABFF and when in power run the country with the intention of generating wealth for the connected ones that has allowed a standard of living for the people of Ireland that our forefathers never dreamt of. There are millions of people buried in graves all over Ireland the world becuase they had to emigrate because ff have mismanaged our ecoonomy since the 1930s who if given a look at the poorest of the poor today would say they are living in luxury
FF voters are in the business of economics being economical with the truth and being less than economical with the taxpayers money and leave the politics masive bill for their f**ups to the rest of us unconnected onesABFF

Fixed it for you.

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

Newsflash man whose fmaily were raped and left for dead, forgives one of the leading perps in court today and reckons he should be let go free.
He stated he thought it was alright that the guy apologised.

stevensi wrote: »

I would consider myself a floating voter and was not going to vote FF but I think now that Martin is the new leader I find myself leaning towards them. A fresh start and a new beginning.

Whoooah just had a duck, those pigs are really flying today.

stevensi wrote: »

I do believe that if FG or Labour or any other party had been in power during that time we would be in the exact same mess as we are in now I really believe that. I know the reply will be but they were; but for me i still don't trust the others to do anything to get us back on track.

As i said I was 90% sure I wouldn't vote FF but now I'm maybe 60-70% sure. The debates will be something that may swing it for me one way or the other!

There is an art to pretending to be something one is not.
Lots of ffers have it, some in other parties have it as well.
You however ?

BTW how much of a part do you think Lehmans played in our ultimate downfall ?

BlaasForRafa

stevensi wrote: »

I agree that they were at fault for the economic woes but listening to him over the last few days he seems genuine and the fact that he apologised while the others in the party blamed others was a major step I think. I reckon there will be a lot of voters like me who have no allegiances consider voting FF because of him.

You mean people that are swayed by a few nice sounding phrases which in actuality are mealy-mouthed non-apologies?

Martin uses soundbite phrases like "We need to change politics in Ireland" and "The consensus view was that we should do thes things" which is his way of trying to spread the blame to FG, Labour and other parties, conviently glossing over the fact that those parties weren't in f*****g power at the time!

i57dwun4yb1pt8

in general , floating voters are vermin

cornbb

Martin is savvy enough to know that people have been yearning to hear the words "I'm sorry" from FF for years, so he said them. Its far too late for that, but its evident from this thread that this hollow gesture will be enough to sway people back into voting for them. I fear that FF will get a greater share of the vote than people think.

Have you heard of Stockholm syndrome? Its the only explanation plausible for the fact that people would still actually consider voting FF.

A solid democracy is grounded on the fact that the leaders of the country need to remember that if they don't do a satisfactory job, the people of the country can vote them out and give someone else a chance within a couple of years. The Irish people have failed to do this for 14 years on the trot, and as a result FF were given the chance to literally ruin the country. What sort of message would you be sending to FF if you voted for them yet again, after they created this epic mess?

You would feed into their delusions that "we're doing the best for the country so let's keep on this track! The banking bailout, mass emigration, unemployment, the worst healthcare in Europe and a rotten political system are all the fault of someone else!". And the tradition of nepotism, cronyism, corruption and parish pump politics would persevere.

Yes, none of the alternative options in Ireland are awe-inspiring. But as I said, a healthy democracy involves kicking out a bad government in order to give someone else a chance. In some cases it's highly debatable as to whether a government has been bad. In this case there's no question, they have been beyond awful! It is absurd to claim that the opposition would have landed us in this situation too. It would be very hard indeed to emulate the catastrophic series of failures that FF have presided over. So lets give someone else a chance.

In Egypt at the moment they are out on the streets to oust a 30-year ruinous regime that they don't have the option of voting. In Ireland we have the opportunity to go to the ballots to oust a 14-year ruinous regime, yet some people won't take that opportunity!

ilovesleep

I can't beleive people are going to continue voting for FF maggots. They have bankrupted and entire country to save banks and developers. They do not have any abilities at fixing this place. They waited until winter 2010 until they called in the IMF to reduce minimum wage. Why did they not do that two years ago when Ireland started having major problems. Is minimum wage the only thing that employers are struggling with? They should have done everything in their power two years ago to help employers and employees from unemployment. They did fcek all. Unemployment is spiralling out of control. The deficit was allowed to spiral out of control. The country is bankrupt. Everyone was hit in the budget except for the OAPs. Why didnt they take advice from the EU to cool down the property market during the boom years?

Read this thread. It shows just how incompetent FF finance minster is.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056119201&highlight=brian+lenihan
You might as well put all the junior infant classes around the country into the Dail to run Ireland. At least they are able to add 2 and 2 together and get 4.

Maggots voting for maggots I say.

TheInquisitor

superfish wrote: »

would you work for 7.65 ? not a chance i would

Sure move over to the Uk and earn more ...oh wait sorry their minimum wage is E6.91...

Liam Byrne

DaDumTish wrote: »

in general , floating voters are vermin

Excuse me ? :eek:

I'd consider myself a relatively floating voter, given that none of the parties have completely convinced me that they're 100% up to doing the job in the interests of the country.

TheReverend

DaDumTish wrote: »

in general , floating voters are vermin

People who vote for the same party no matter what is what is wrong with Irish politics

windsurfer99ie

ilovesleep wrote: »

I can't beleive people are going to continue voting for FF maggots. They have bankrupted and entire country to save banks and developers. They do not have any abilities at fixing this place. They waited until winter 2010 until they called in the IMF to reduce minimum wage. Why did they not do that two years ago when Ireland started having major problems. Is minimum wage the only thing that employers are struggling with? They should have done everything in their power two years ago to help employers and employees from unemployment. They did fcek all. Unemployment is spiralling out of control. The deficit was allowed to spiral out of control. The country is bankrupt. Everyone was hit in the budget except for the OAPs. Why didnt they take advice from the EU to cool down the property market during the boom years?

Read this thread. It shows just how incompetent FF finance minster is.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056119201&highlight=brian+lenihan
You might as well put all the junior infant classes around the country into the Dail to run Ireland. At least they are able to add 2 and 2 together and get 4.

Maggots voting for maggots I say.

Well I agree with the OAP bit - and the reason for that is of course that OAPs actually go out and vote. But it is difficult for me to motivate myself to do that.

Most people in this country seem to vote for one of two parties whose policies and ideologies are broadly the same. They are it seems, separated by some historical event that happened almost a century ago and has no connection whatsoever with the present-day economy. But both of these parties would sooner go into government with crackpots and dreamers rather than each other.

The Labour Party has a leader who seems to be effective, yet his political rhetoric (e.g. accusing Cowen of economic treason in the week following the shooting of a US senator) leaves me cold. Their Finance Spokesperson seems, on occasions, to be a few cents short of a euro. I could't vote for them.

I'm English, and I actually like Gerry Adams, and I support the idea of a United Ireland, but I'm not going to vote for a party that is backed by the mob and whose political interests are best served by creating further economic chaos and disruption in this country.

FG don't fool me - they would have run the country in much the same way as FF. The would have replicated the same key error of taking us into the Euro. With our own currency and interest rates we might have stood a chance of controlling the housing market and keeping the IMF out, but FG would have been presiding over a similiar mess. FG like FF would have tried to support the banks, and the banks would have lied to them, as they did to FF. As for FG's leader ... I'm not even going there ...

If I vote for FF it will be because they have at least been trying to sort this mess out. In the last two years, all the opposition has had to do has been to oppose. Yet I have not heard anything that resembles an economic policy from any of them - just a collection of populist measures intended to catch votes. FF have failed us - but the opposition parties have failed to provide a credible alternative - and any opposition that fails to do that is simply not fit to govern.

skelliser

stevensi wrote: »

I would consider myself a floating voter and was not going to vote FF but I think now that Martin is the new leader I find myself leaning towards them. A fresh start and a new beginning.

a fresh start! lol!

Martin has been in cabinent for 14 years! wtf has he done except keep the head down and duck and dive his way thru does years!
Seriously like, listen to him, the man has zero substance!

Sadly im not surprised that people are taking a liking to him, we are a gullible nation.

MARTIN IS ANOTHER BERTIE!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Mr.Micro

windsurfer99ie wrote: »

If I vote for FF it will be because they have at least been trying to sort this mess out. In the last two years, all the opposition has had to do has been to oppose. Yet I have not heard anything that resembles an economic policy from any of them - just a collection of populist measures intended to catch votes. FF have failed us - but the opposition parties have failed to provide a credible alternative - and any opposition that fails to do that is simply not fit to govern.

A mess FF created.....and how are they sorting it out getting the IMF/EU to bail us out. How on earth you expect FG/Lab to sort it out when they are not in power. people are deluded who think the FF are capable of sorting this mess out when it priorities are FF FF FF FF and its cronies first and always. Just look back in history Ha Ha Hauughey, Ahern Clowen etc nothing changes for the better with FF. The mess that FF created will take 20 years to sort out and the true scale has yet to be revealed. So by all means support FF but do not ever expect it to sort out the mess they created.

JENNYWREN19

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Sure move over to the Uk and earn more ...oh wait sorry their minimum wage is E6.91...

but the cost of living is lower.....

Mr.Micro

skelliser wrote: »

a fresh start! lol!

Martin has been in cabinent for 14 years! wtf has he done except keep the head down and duck and dive his way thru does years!
Seriously like, listen to him, the man has zero substance!

Sadly im not surprised that people are taking a liking to him, we are a gullible nation.

MARTIN IS ANOTHER BERTIE!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

He certainly is all talk and slick with no substance. Imagine the gullible voting for FF thinking they are going to get something different other than debts, ever increasing taxes, property charges, less and less spent on infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc cronyism, cover ups. Clearly these people have had no pain yet.

steelcityblues

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You mean people that are swayed by a few nice sounding phrases which in actuality are mealy-mouthed non-apologies?

Martin uses soundbite phrases like "We need to change politics in Ireland" and "The consensus view was that we should do thes things" which is his way of trying to spread the blame to FG, Labour and other parties, conviently glossing over the fact that those parties weren't in f*****g power at the time!

Don't forget 'reform'.

JENNYWREN19

I'd still love to see FF voted back in to sort out the mess they've made, but I'm not crazy enough to vote for them so it's down the rest of you like last time - good luck!

Mr.Micro

JENNYWREN19 wrote: »

I'd still love to see FF voted back in to sort out the mess they've made, but I'm not crazy enough to vote for them so it's down the rest of you like last time - good luck!

Its the public who pay for the mess for years to come. FF do not sort it out they just take our money and carry on as usual unaccountable and shameless creating more trouble and of course all the thousands of poor people who are forced to emigrate they don't matter either. FF will sort them too.:rolleyes:

superfish

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Sure move over to the Uk and earn more ...oh wait sorry their minimum wage is E6.91...

dont think you comprehend how much 1 english pound can get you compared to our euro my mother and brother live in the uk they get a full week food shopping for 40 pounds. after the new universal sole charge people who work 40 hour week will earn 297pw im sorry but thats crap working their ass off only to struggle financially from week to week

CrankyCod

I can't believe that some people are contemplating voting FF just because Martin has been elected leader; he's been in cabinet for all of the disastrous decisions that have ruined the country!

Can you imagine how they would spin it if they achieve even 20%? "It's a retrospective mandate for all the tough decisions we've made"

So they set fire to the building and they get praised for eventually turning on the hose. And we have to pay for the water.

In my opinion a vote for Fianna Fail is treason, a betrayal of every unemployed person and emigrant whose chance of a decent life has been sacrificed to save the banks and the bondholders.

Anyone even thinking about voting for them should be utterly ashamed.

ilovesleep

Anyone that votes FF should be forced to wear one of those allergic to penicillin necklaces but instead with the words 'FF supporter', so that if you happen to be in a car crash, or drop to ground on the street having a heart attack, we know not to help you.

TheInquisitor

superfish wrote: »

dont think you comprehend how much 1 english pound can get you compared to our euro my mother and brother live in the uk they get a full week food shopping for 40 pounds. after the new universal sole charge people who work 40 hour week will earn 297pw im sorry but thats crap working their ass off only to struggle financially from week to week

Superfish i live in the UK and have done for 18 months. I can easily get a full weeks food shopping done over here for £40 if i buy all tesco/asda brand products etc. Add another tenner onto that if i buy branded products.

And in Ireland you can easily buy a full weeks shop in tesco for E50 or just over E60 if you have branded products.

England is not much cheaper to live in than Ireland especially when you factor in counsil tax something that isn't in place in Ireland

raymon

scr123 wrote: »

FF voters are in the business of economics

Exactly , however I would have added " b0//!xing up " in there somewhere.

BTW who is this Avff party you hate so much ? They must be an awful shower. I better not vote for any of them ???? I haven't heard of them , are they as corrupt as FF ?

rodento

Two very good reasons