Media bias?

Zebra3 · 28-01-2011 01:27PM #1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12300086

Israeli settlers 'shoot Palestinian teen' near Nablus

An 18-year-old shepherd has died after being shot by Israeli settlers near the West Bank city of Nablus, Palestinian officials say.

Now if the roles were reversed, I wonder would the Palestinian be a "terrorist" who had murdered the (illegal settler) jew?

:rolleyes:

orourkeda · 28-01-2011 01:32PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12300086

Now if the roles were reversed, I wonder would the Palestinian be a "terrorist" who had murdered the (illegal settler) jew?

:rolleyes:

The same result though. Are the words used to report it really that important.

AnonoBoy · 28-01-2011 01:32PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12300086

Now if the roles were reversed, I wonder would the Palestinian be a "terrorist" who had murdered the (illegal settler) jew?

:rolleyes:

I don't think I've seen the BBC refer to the Palestinians as 'terrorists'.

prinz · 28-01-2011 01:33PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Now if the roles were reversed, I wonder would the Palestinian be a "terrorist" who had murdered the (illegal settler) jew?

Chances are it would have been. Murdering someone does not make you a terrorist. What we have here is what looks like a teenage kid going about his business being murdered by settlers. Pretty straightforward. The settlers will more than likely be held to account for their actions, as opposed to having a street party thrown back home.

Snakeblood · 28-01-2011 01:35PM

orourkeda wrote: »

The same result though. Are the words used to report it really that important.

Definitely. They influence how people feel about the issue. Unless there's a purely objective terminology used, you can slant an issue to the way you want people to feel about it.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-01-2011 01:35PM

orourkeda wrote: »

The same result though. Are the words used to report it really that important.

Yes, why do you think governments and groups spend billions on media management?

Nodin · 28-01-2011 01:38PM

prinz wrote: »

The settlers will more than likely be held to account for their actions,............

Whats that based on....?

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-01-2011 01:40PM

Fantasy

LondonIrish90 · 28-01-2011 01:44PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12300086

Now if the roles were reversed, I wonder would the Palestinian be a "terrorist" who had murdered the (illegal settler) jew?

:rolleyes:

Good old Irish underhand anti-semetism rearing its head again. Could you have just left it at illegal settler, or Israeli? No, of course you couldn't. :rolleyes: Had to get something about them being a nasty Jew in didn't you!

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-01-2011 01:49PM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

or Israeli? No, of course you couldn't.

Do you want him to be racist then?

prinz · 28-01-2011 01:51PM

Nodin wrote: »

Whats that based on....?

http://israelsoccupation.blogspot.com/2010/11/israeli-settler-convicted-of-kidnapping.html

They'll convict the son of a high profile pro-settlement campaginer with kidnapping and assault, but turn a blind eye to cold blooded murder?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-police-arrest-settlers-for-assault-on-palestinian-farmers-1.247977

Assault..

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/96071/-israeli-police-arrest-settlers-linked-to-mosque-attack.html

Vandalism..

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9155&Itemid=64

Settles arrested on suspicion of assault..

Lumen · 28-01-2011 01:58PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Now if the roles were reversed, I wonder would the Palestinian be a "terrorist" who had murdered the (illegal settler) jew?

Not really sure what point you're making. Are you suggesting that the BBC are institutionally biased against Palestinians? That's a new one on me. Most of the output is extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

Zebra3 · 28-01-2011 01:59PM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Good old Irish underhand anti-semetism rearing its head again. Could you have just left it at illegal settler, or Israeli? No, of course you couldn't. :rolleyes: Had to get something about them being a nasty Jew in didn't you!

Wow!! Straight out with the race card. Well done.

Now please explain how it's ok for the BBC to refer to them as "jewish settlers" but it's not ok for me to use the word "jew"?

Nodin · 28-01-2011 02:01PM

prinz wrote: »

http://israelsoccupation.blogspot.com/2010/11/israeli-settler-convicted-of-kidnapping.html

They'll convict the son of a high profile pro-settlement campaginer with kidnapping and assault, but turn a blind eye to cold blooded murder?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-police-arrest-settlers-for-assault-on-palestinian-farmers-1.247977

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/96071/-israeli-police-arrest-settlers-linked-to-mosque-attack.html

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9155&Itemid=64

Statistically, nothing happens 90% of the time. Therefore, odds are....
http://media.yesh-din.org/geninfo.asp?gencatid=20

Zebra3 · 28-01-2011 02:03PM

Lumen wrote: »

Not really sure what point you're making. Are you suggesting that the BBC are institutionally biased against Palestinians? That's a new one on me. Most of the output is extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

I'm not aware of any BBC sympathy for the Palestinians.

Though it would be understandable considering they are under a foreign military occupation by a state that is not bothered (nor sanctioned) by being so flagrantly in breach of international law.

Rabies · 28-01-2011 02:04PM

orourkeda wrote: »

The same result though. Are the words used to report it really that important.

Very.

Media play a big part in wars

Nodin · 28-01-2011 02:06PM

Lumen wrote: »

Not really sure what point you're making. Are you suggesting that the BBC are institutionally biased against Palestinians? That's a new one on me. Most of the output is extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

It's not so much a bias, as that Palestinian violence is rarely explained in context, particularily on the TV news. Nor is it a problem consigned to the BBC and this particular conflict. The fact that - in relation to the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem - one side is an occupying force, isn't often gone into. Its really the problem of the medium - you've two-three minutes to report on a single incident in a complex situation. It's thus hard to set a proper context.

karma_ · 28-01-2011 02:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

Statistically, nothing happens 90% of the time. Therefore, odds are....
http://media.yesh-din.org/geninfo.asp?gencatid=20

They will of course bring to trial some settlers for a few of these incidents, give them a light slap on the wrist and this will placate the majority of the media, and guys on boards who can point to the odd trial and say, "look how things get done in a lawful state."

Then this incident will be forgotten about, then another similar incident takes place and we go though the same hoops again.

Lumen · 28-01-2011 02:11PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm not aware of any BBC sympathy for the Palestinians.

Then you probably haven't consumed very much of their output.

BBC coverage gets torn to shreds regularly by right wingers for being hugely left-biased, and considered by left wingers to be completely unbiased.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Though it would be understandable considering they are under a foreign military occupation by a state that is not bothered (nor sanctioned) by being so flagrantly in breach of international law.

That's exactly the sort of statement the BBC comes out with all the time, so I'd say they agree with you.

I don't really care, TBH, but if you're going to make an accusation of bias it should be based on real examples not speculation.

prinz · 28-01-2011 02:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

Statistically, nothing happens 90% of the time. Therefore, odds are....
http://media.yesh-din.org/geninfo.asp?gencatid=20

What are the statistics of the P.A. invesitgating and punishing Palestinians for attacks on Israelis as a matter of interest? 10% is better than 0% no but the glass is always half empty? Which legal and judicial system would I have more faith in.... coming down on the Israeli side myself so far.

pikachucheeks · 28-01-2011 02:17PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

Definitely. They influence how people feel about the issue. Unless there's a purely objective terminology used...

Can media ever really be objective though?

I mean, they're choosing what stories are printed / broadcasted for the public to see and that selection process in itself can't be objective. You're deeming one story newsworthy and another not, which is a decision that impacts on the audience.

This thread needs a bit of Noam Chomksy.

karma_ · 28-01-2011 02:19PM

prinz wrote: »

What are the statistics of the P.A. invesitgating and punishing Palestinians for attacks on Israelis as a matter of interest? 10% is better than 0% no but the glass is always half empty? Which legal and judicial system would I have more faith in.... coming down on the Israeli side myself so far.

No surprise there then so.

Lumen · 28-01-2011 02:21PM

pikachucheeks wrote: »

I mean, they're choosing what stories are printed / broadcasted for the public to see and that selection process in itself can't be objective. You're deeming one story newsworthy and another not, which is a decision that impacts on the audience.

Exactly. If the BBC were pro-Israel, they wouldn't have published the allegations in the first place, they'd have waited on the outcome of the Israeli police investigation.

Also, the picture of grieving relatives would be replaced by some unobjectionable picture of a hilltop with sheep on it, or some "chicks with guns" settler-totty.

JohnathanM · 28-01-2011 02:21PM

prinz wrote: »

Which legal and judicial system would I have more faith in....

Following your last post, you're being more that just a little disigenuous here. You would have faith in a legal system which has helped support state expansion in clear violation of international law? More fool you.

prinz wrote: »

...coming down on the Israeli side myself so far.

Hardly surprising. This is where you started.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-01-2011 02:22PM

prinz wrote: »

coming down on the Israeli side myself so far.

Does a bear sh1te in the woods?

prinz · 28-01-2011 02:23PM

karma_ wrote: »

No surprise there then so.

Great contribution once again.

Nodin · 28-01-2011 02:24PM

prinz wrote: »

What are the statistics of the P.A. invesitgating and punishing Palestinians for attacks on Israelis as a matter of interest?

O - so we're playing 'it's ok, the other crowd are evil' because you can't admit your original assertion was incorrect? You really, really need to learn to admit being wrong. Not for my sake either, IMO.

You'll find there's a high level of co-operation between the PA and the Israelis. Rather nauseatingly so, in fact.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/25/israel-asked-palestinians-assassinate-militant
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/25/mi6-palestinian-papers-rejectionists-plan?intcmp=239

"The Guardian newspaper reported that Palestinians security forces have been working closely with the CIA to torture Palestinian dissenters. When Palestinians killed a settler last December, Abbas' forces worked "overtime" to find the culprits arresting hundreds in the process. A PA spokesperson described the security situation up to the attack as "nearly perfect," in reference to the diligent job of Palestinian security forces in preventing attacks against Israelis but ignoring the daily attacks Palestinians are subjected to at the hands of the Israeli military and settlers. Abbas' clampdown didn't prevent an Israeli death-squad from invading Nablus and killing in cold blood three Palestinians as an act of revenge."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/25/mi6-palestinian-papers-rejectionists-plan?intcmp=239

prinz · 28-01-2011 02:24PM

JohnathanM wrote: »

Following your last post, you're being more that just a little disigenuous here. You would have faith in a legal system which has helped support state expansion in clear violation of international law? More fool you. Hardly surprising. This is where you started.

If a friend or family member was murdered in Israel or in West Bank/Gaza, yeah I'd have more faith in the Israelis to catch and prosecute the killer.

Zebra3 · 28-01-2011 02:25PM

pikachucheeks wrote: »

This thread needs a bit of Noam Chomksy.

Chomsky on the US-led attack on Iraq:

"If the media were unbiased, they would start every news report on the war on Iraq with the phrase "the illegal war on Iraq".

karma_ · 28-01-2011 02:26PM

prinz wrote: »

Great contribution once again.

You got it babe.

prinz · 28-01-2011 02:26PM

Nodin wrote: »

O - so we're playing 'it's ok, the other crowd are evil' because you can't admit your original assertion was incorrect? You really, really need to learn to admit being wrong. Not for my sake either, IMO.

It was a genuine question. One which it appears you don't have an answer to. Perhaps we should wait until this poor kids murder has been dealt with one way or the other before start telling people they are wrong?

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