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deluded and sick person?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    stevejr wrote: »
    I think she was just quite niave.

    I would be willing to believe this if it wasn't for the 'karma' part. That's a loaded word.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    “Thousands of people die terrible deaths every day through diseases and whatever so what makes her so special.

    “Soldiers don’t get as much coverage as she has and they are risking their lives to protect us! Its about time this country got its priorities right!!!”

    Inarticulate, but I don't see anything particularly off with these opinions.

    THe only reason she got so much media attention is because of the horrific and tragic circumstances of her death, and her importance and the importance of her family in their local community.

    Same can be said about Madeline McCann when plenty of children go missing from state care institutions.

    But this doesnt detract from the seriousness of the matter. A woman still died and the inordinate (maybe) level of media coverage shouldnt sully her memory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭stevejr


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    I would be willing to believe this if it wasn't for the 'karma' part. That's a loaded word.


    I've read through the piece twice now, and taken in context, it's hard to believe that she really understands the concept of Karma or the implications that her words would have.

    I find it hard to believe that someone only starting out in thier career would deliberately self sabotage themselves.

    It was a childish ill-judged act that snowballed. No doubt she'll pay for it dearly but some of the vitriol raining down on her head is bigoted and therefore hypocritical IMO.

    What's the reason for being reasonable?

    Is that an unreasonable question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    stevejr wrote: »
    I've read through the piece twice now, and taken in context, it's hard to believe that she really understands the concept of Karma or the implications that her words would have.

    How innocent could the word 'karma' be? Is there a simpler definition then the mantra 'what goes around comes around'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    I would be willing to believe this if it wasn't for the 'karma' part. That's a loaded word.

    indeed and "what goes around comes around" . If I said tha after someones funeral naivety wouldnt come into it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    As a loyalist and from a Protestant background, i think she should wind her neck in. Its a terrible story and i really hope the people who did it get proper justice. It deserves to be reported on because it could happen to anyone.

    Not everyone is going to get killed in Afganistan as a soldier because not everyone is a soldier but this could happen to anyone She should know better if she looks at her own history on this Island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    As a loyalist and from a Protestant background, i think she should wind her neck in.

    As one from the 'other side', I wouldn't pay much heed to her. Those kind of opinions belong with the extremists and nowhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭stevejr


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    indeed and "what goes around comes around" . If I said tha after someones funeral naivety wouldnt come into it.

    Of course not and you'd rightly deserve scorn for that. But you're not comparing like for like. Are you a mature adult Steddyeddy?

    This girl is obviously an immature individual who made some very ill-advised comments....on facebook...not at a funeral.

    Considering the reaction of her employers, do you still think that this girl fully otherstood and appreciated the implifications of some ill-judged Facebook rant.

    She's a niave idiot....something which many 19 year old kids are

    What's the reason for being reasonable?

    Is that an unreasonable question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    stevejr wrote: »
    Of course not and you'd rightly deserve scorn for that. But you're not comparing like for like. Are you a mature adult Steddyeddy?

    This girl is obviously an immature individual who made some very ill-advised comments....on facebook...not at a funeral.

    Considering the reaction of her employers, do you still think that this girl fully otherstood and appreciated the implifications of some ill-judged Facebook rant.

    She's a niave idiot....something which many 19 year old kids are

    well to be honest the telegraph are about as mature as her for publishing it. In some ways im mature and others not but Immaturity and hateful verbalities like hers dont go hand in hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Michaela was well known in Ireland, especially in GAA circles (which is pretty much the majority of the country) and she was a contestant in the Rose of Tralee and had become famous in her own right off the back of that. A guest on the Late Late and many other shows.

    First off, "pretty much the majority of the country" aren't in GAA circles. But that's beside the point. You've actually hit the nail on the head- much of the outpouring of grief over her death was because she was famous. Not all of it of course, but a significant portion of it. A few years ago, the young wife of an inter-county hurler was killed. It was tragic and shocking. She too was well known in GAA circles; she too had left a grieving husband (and also a son); she too was a pillar of her local community- and she got a few lines in the paper on the day following her death, and a few more on the day of her funeral. She wasn't famous, so it seems nobody cared. I know that's far too much of a generalisation, and a crude one at that, but it's hard, when one sees the muted media and public reaction to murders throughout the year, not to be tempted by such a conclusion when one contemplates the outpouring, not just of sympathy, but of grief, in response to Michaela's murder. And that's what people take issue with. It's not that they're insensitive to the tragedy, or lack empathy for the suffering of the family (as some here would claim), but an uncomfortable feeling that celebrity culture has gotten to the stage where we grive more for the the famous, than for ordinary people. It was the same with Princess Diana, and even with Jade Goody. I was informed last week that the whole country was in mouurning for Michaela. Not only was that certainly not the case, but it was unsettling to contrast such reactions with the coverage of the man murdered in Youghal in the same week. Was he less of a person that Micheala? Was he less to be mourned? Were his family less entitled to our sympathy? I know there are circumstances to the murder of Michaela that touch a nerve, but much the same should have been said of the murder by their father before Christmas of two Cork children. And yet is recieved nothing like the coverage of Michaela's death, and none of the public reaction. And it seems that the difference, as with Diana and Goody, is celebrity. And people feel uncomfortable with that.

    Soldiers are at WAR, people who die of illnesses (like members of my own family) are NOT FAMOUS! Why would they be newsworthy exactly

    Of course her death was more newsworthy than that of the average citizen; nobody is disputing that. But the fact that she was famous seems to be prompting much of the national outpouring of grief. I'm not saying that her murder should no go unremarked upon; rather that the nature of the reaction to a murder should not depend on someone's level of fame. Which is exactly what has happened here, and what you seem to be defending.
    Some sour fuckers around, I swear to jaysus and this so called photographer is most certainly one of them.

    Think what you like, but I think the people who raise questions about our reactions to the deaths of celebrities as opposed to ordinary folk, are making an entirely valid point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Azureus


    Her points are valid in a way, although ignorantly put. I know friends who put up similar enough comments on Facebook (with regard to sentiment anyway) about the whole Katy French thing because a friend of ours passed in the same week and nothing was said, whereas this was all over the news. It seemed to belittle their grief I think thats how they felt at least.

    That said, I do think its insensitive, but was probably only meant for her own friends. The fact she has her profile public and is involved in a media-tye career is just a demonstration of stupidity imo. The same can be said for the 'karma' comments-I would agree with posters saying it was pure naivity. I doubt there was malacious intent, I think this girl is probably just a bit dim.

    It was well out or order for the papers to report it like that though, talk about sensatonalist! In a way what the papers are doing there is worse than what the girl wrote-using Michaelas name in order to shift papers, causing unneccesary grief to the family and friends who would more than likely be unaware of these comments before this report.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Barely newsworthy. Who gives a **** what some 19-yr-old photographer thinks?

    Green Goblin should have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    I heard this on the radio this morning but I didn't get the full story as I was only half listening but I knew straight away that there was some rangers/linfield bigot behind this. There will be more I'm afraid to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Not really. Trolling fail.

    Nah, it's definitely a bad thing she was murdered, but I was kind of shaking my head that she was given this much publicity. There's more important things going on.

    THe whole treatment of her death has been lurid and prurient.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Wait? A teenager said something silly on the internet? Has the world turned topsy turvy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Deluded and sick? No. Immature and unwise...yes. She has a valid point on the media coverage of Michaela's death however, and acknowledging that fact takes nothing away from the grief of the McAreavy or Harte families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    To be honest, it's over two weeks since the murder of Michaela McAreavey and I still give it some thought each day - weird as I don't read the papers/look at the news but there's something about this one that's totally depressing. And I'm not a GAA person and I never heard of her before this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭imitation


    I saw one paper headline about this saying "Police investigating comments" If they need to arrest 19 year olds for making stupid comments they may as well round them all up (although it was obviously sensationalist bollocks).

    Question is, which of these is a bigger "crime", a 19 year old making some stupid ignorant comments on facebook, or a paper printing full page articles of a 19 year old calling her a bigot, doing there best to make her a pariah and getting her fired.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    on what grounds are the police investigating exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭blow69


    The media seriously need to let this go. It was a terrible tragedy for all involved, made even more tragic by the fact that she was on her honeymoon and was on top of the world at the time.

    However, the way these rags are incessantly dragging this story up over and over again with these "exclusive new details" as if it were an article about Jordan's latest divorce or Kim Kardashian's news ass job is a much bigger crime than what that girl posted on her Facebook. There is a family and a large circle of friends trying to grieve and rebuild after what happened and the media feasting off of this story like the greedy little monster that it is, is not helping in any shape, way or form.



    Stop pretending you care.
    Stop trying to instill the mob mentality within the public which just ends up ruining peoples lives.
    Just stop.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    blow69 wrote: »
    Stop trying to instill the mob mentality within the public which just ends up ruining peoples lives.

    But but but..... without mob mentality people would have to *gasp*..... think for themselves? :eek: :eek: :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Azureus


    Saw another article in the indo about this whole thing again today, the girl has been sacked by the county down paper because of her comments. Fair enough, she deserved that considering she works in the media-uncencored opnions like that werent gonna go down very well. But was it really article-worthy? No.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Azureus wrote: »
    Saw another article in the indo about this whole thing again today, the girl has been sacked by the county down paper because of her comments. Fair enough, she deserved that considering she works in the media-uncencored opnions like that werent gonna go down very well. But was it really article-worthy? No.

    iI don't think she should be sacked for it.

    It seems that when it comes to meidated tragedies (as heart-rending as they are) like this, people seem to try and outdo each other in the public expression of prolonged griief - and subsequently, in their outrage at dissident views to that grief.

    People say that kind of thing on Facebook all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Silly and unwise mistake on her part but she shouldn't be publicly crucified for it, especially what her own beliefs and interests are.

    Heh, reminds me of a girl my GF worked with who got fired last week over a "Facebook related incident". I have as much trust in public domain privacy as I do in an arsonist in a firelighter factory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Azureus


    stovelid wrote: »
    iI don't think she should be sacked for it.

    It seems that when it comes to meidated tragedies (as heart-rending as they are) like this, people seem to try and outdo each other in the public expression of prolonged griief - and subsequently, in their outrage at dissident views to that grief.

    People say that kind of thing on Facebook all the time.

    If you see my post before the one you quoted, I pretty much agree with your statement. But considering the field she works in, you'd think shed have a bit more vigilance about what she was putting up no? That paper obviously just didnt want the bad press associated with her at that point and as a part timer just distanced themselves from her. Im sure its a lesson learned for her at least!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Azureus wrote: »
    Saw another article in the indo about this whole thing again today, the girl has been sacked by the county down paper because of her comments. Fair enough, she deserved that considering she works in the media-uncencored opnions like that werent gonna go down very well. But was it really article-worthy? No.

    It's a personal opinion that she didn't attempt to put out at the paper, that wasn't racist sexist, homophobic or apparently bigoted. She was saying there were more important things going on.

    It was crass and insensitive, but most of the papers printing their bull**** about the family were being crass and insensitive. I heard an ad for I think the Sunday world (if that's even still going) where a woman was talking about how she was going to retrace the fateful steps of the unhappy couple and expose the seedy underbelly of Mauritius. That sounds exploitative and crappy, and we're not banning newspapers. Even the **** ones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    She was saying there were more important things going on.

    Love how you conveniently left out the other comments she made.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Azureus wrote: »
    If you see my post before the one you quoted, I pretty much agree with your statement. But considering the field she works in, you'd think shed have a bit more vigilance about what she was putting up no? That paper obviously just didnt want the bad press associated with her at that point and as a part timer just distanced themselves from her. Im sure its a lesson learned for her at least!

    She would probably have a technically half-decent case against her sacking - given that her posting was in no way related with the paper - but she wouldn't have a hope in hell of being heard fairly given the emotive nature of the topic she was discussing and the mob emotion it can stir - especially in the North.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    I wouldn't normally like this type of press coverage of a nobody whos a bigot but her comment about "karma" really irks me. Karma for what, being a good, moral person who lit up a lot of people's lives through the goodness of her personality.

    Well I guess this little wretch is going to learn about "karma" now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Renn wrote: »
    Love how you conveniently left out the other comments she made.

    She said 'what goes around comes around' and other stupid crap, which was stupid. It was kind of offensive, but it was a personal opinion and not racist sexist, homophobic or bigoted.

    What she said points her out as being dumb and inconsiderate, but if people got fired for being dumb or inconsiderate on their own time, very few people would have jobs.


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