Would you vote Sinn Fein for the election?

Terry · 25-01-2011 11:41PM

NeedaNewName wrote: »

So what political party will you be voting for Terry? Or in the light of them being indo, who will you be voting for?

Who is "me" in Terry terms?

I'm Terry. I will be on the ballot for Kildare North as an independent.

As for SF, it's crap like this which will keep them out of office for many years to come.

Yeah, it's most likely RIRA, but the association with SF is still implied in the minds of most people.
As long as those nuts up North keep trying to kill each other over crap that happened hundreds of years ago, SF will never be fully respected in the Republic.

****ing religion. The cause of most wars on this planet. Well, that and the idiots who think their God is the best. Childish cúnts.

NeedaNewName · 25-01-2011 11:42PM

Terry wrote: »

I'm Terry. I will be on the ballot for Kildare North as an independent.

As for SF, it's crap like this which will keep them out of office for many years to come.

Yeah, it's most likely RIRA, but the association with SF is still implied in the minds of most people.
As long as those nuts up North keep trying to kill each other over crap that happened hundreds of years ago, SF will never be fully respected in the Republic.

****ing religion. The cause of most wars on this planet. Well, that and the idiots who think their God is the best. Childish cúnts.

Under what name will you be standing so? I like the cut of your jib?

Or are you messing?

Degag · 25-01-2011 11:43PM

dotsman wrote: »

And their method of trying to achieve that was to murder anybody who stood in their way, be they man, woman or child.

Granted their involvement after c. 1923 isn't something that i agree with but the party was founded with the goal of getting independance from Britain - whom also weren't very innocent on the killing side of things either.

OK, now this makes absolutely no sense. All they do is "go against the government". They had to be thrown out of all-party talks the other day because Doherty didn't understand the concept of intelligent dialogue, preferring instead to act like a spoilt 5 year old who didn't get his way. And they by no means have legitimate policies. That is what everybody is laughing about. They haven't a clue! I mean, Labour are pretty poor on the policy front, but compared to Sinn Fein, they look like the most intelligent, coherent intellects ever. If you were to hand Sinn Fein complete control of the country tomorrow, by the weekend, the entire country would collapse.

P.S. What also matters now is their continued attitude to murder, violence, theft and intimidation. Despite "offically" declaring a cease-fire, they are still very much involved in criminal/terrorist activity.

I was referring to Labour and FG, when i said all they do is go against the government. IMO, it's an inherent failure of politics in this country (and alot of others also i presume) when the opposition go against the government, just because they are the government - it actually makes no sence whatsoever. SF, even though they are the opposition have sided with the government on a few occasions over the last few years. That doesn't make them right - but it makes me think they have more independant thinking that some of the other parties.

I don't think Sinn Fein are involved in illegal activites anymore - i would doubt it really.

hmmm · 25-01-2011 11:44PM

The whole dragging a mother of 10 out of her house in front of her children, cutting her fingers off before shooting her in the head because they "accused" her of giving aid to a dying British soldier thing sort of puts me off you know? I'm funny like that. Or blowing up some children in Liverpool. Or shooting 2 guards in cold blood in Adare. Despite what FF or anyone else may have done a 100 years ago, these are recent memories for me and I see the same people involved in SF now as were there condoning these acts.

Besides their bat**** insane economic policies which is a good enough reason to ignore them.

This was in 2005:

Sinn Fein's Mitchel McLaughlin has rejected calls to resign over remarks he made about an IRA murder victim.

The party chairman said the killing of Jean McConville - one of the Disappeared - was not a criminal act.

"Of course I won't resign, I'm entitled to my view in this respect," he said.

The Sinn Fein member also agreed with a remark that the IRA was "the only legitimate government of Ireland".

NeedaNewName · 25-01-2011 11:46PM

hmmm wrote: »

The whole dragging a mother of 10 out of her house in front of her children, cutting her fingers off before shooting her in the head because they "accused" her of giving aid to a dying British soldier thing sort of puts me off you know? I'm funny like that. Or blowing up some children in Liverpool. Or shooting 2 guards in cold blood in Adare. Despite what FF or anyone else may have done a 100 years ago, these are recent memories for me and I see the same people involved in SF now as were there condoning these acts.

Besides their bat**** insane economic policies which is a good enough reason to ignore them.

This was in 2005:

"We have not asked for a bail out"

Degag · 25-01-2011 11:49PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Putting aside all the "they are our counties" stuff and focusing on the parts that actually affect us. The north costs the British exchequer huge sums every year. Where do you propose we find the money to subsidise it? consdering the 26 counties we already have are running at a huge loss as it is. Just the actual changeover from British to Irish rule would cost Billions on day 1, never mind when we actually have to pay for stuff to make the place run.

Admittedly, it's just something that i'd love to see happen than i legitimately think will actually happen, but there are clauses in the Good Friday Agreement for it to happen someday so who knows?

Guy:Incognito · 25-01-2011 11:49PM

Degag wrote: »

Granted their involvement after c. 1923 isn't something that i agree with but the party was founded with the goal of getting independance from Britain - whom also weren't very innocent on the killing side of things either.

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No one responsible for killing on the British side is looking for our votes.

squod · 25-01-2011 11:50PM

People are going to vote FG/FF or for some other party that will form a government with FG or FF. I've come to realise that ~70% of the people of this country are just cunts.

Degag · 25-01-2011 11:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

No one responsible for killing on the British side is looking for our votes.

That's not really the point though is it? Fianna Fail have historically been the biggest party in the country and their not clean in that regard are they?

Joey the lips · 25-01-2011 11:51PM

i am going to give them a preference.

baltimore sun · 25-01-2011 11:52PM

Degag wrote: »

I don't think Sinn Fein are involved in illegal activites anymore - i would doubt it really.

ha, yea right. There's plenty of proof out there if you go looking for it.
I know of one councillor in a scummy part of Dublin who used to call round to shops with some of his larger, heavier supporters in the area to make sure that "area insurance" money was paid every month.....but that's probably legal in the Fingal area.

Oh and re: OP, no, never, not in a million years, a relation of mine was held-up during an IRA robbery a few years back, there's no way I'd ever vote for cúnts connected with them

Dionysus · 25-01-2011 11:53PM

Terry wrote: »

As for SF, it's crap like this which will keep them out of office for many years to come.

Yeah, it's most likely RIRA, but the association with SF is still implied in the minds of most people.
As long as those nuts up North keep trying to kill each other over crap that happened hundreds of years ago, SF will never be fully respected in the Republic.

Perhaps so, perhaps not. However, if Ian Paisley's party can continue to share power with Sinn Féin throughout all of the above I find ostensibly moral reservations from non-unionists on the issue of sharing power with Sinn Féin to be unconvincing, to be euphemistic about it.

Guy:Incognito · 25-01-2011 11:53PM

Degag wrote: »

That's not really the point though is it?

Yes, it very much is. What British leaders or soldiers did has little relavence to the discussions. What SF leaders that are now looking for us to vote for them did, does.

Degag · 25-01-2011 11:56PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yes, it very much is. What British leaders or soldiers did has little relavence to the discussions. What SF leaders that are now looking for us to vote for them did, does.

Of course it's relevant, we were at war back then. No?

Guy:Incognito · 25-01-2011 11:57PM

Degag wrote: »

Of course it's relevant, we were at war back then. No?

No.

Stick your address up here, I'll declare war on you then come around and murder your family. We're all cool though, cos I said we were at war.

Degag · 25-01-2011 11:59PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

No.

Ah, ok, so they just called it the War of Independance for nothing eh?:rolleyes:

Degag · 26-01-2011 12:01AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Stick your address up here, I'll declare war on you then come around and murder your family. We're all cool though, cos I said we were at war.

That's a farcical statement.

steddyeddy · 26-01-2011 12:04AM

yes I would sinn feins ira links bother as much as the fine labour fine gael ira links

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2011 12:05AM

Degag wrote: »

Ah, ok, so they just called it the War of Independance for nothing eh?:rolleyes:

ah I see what happened there, I said the guys responsible for killings are now looking for our votes so you correctly deduced that the leaders from 90 years ago are now running in the next general election. There is of course no way I was talking about the IRA leaders that are responsible for killing innocent people from the 70's until very recently.:rolleyes:

If only I'd been very clear about that in a couple of posts on this particular thread.

AckwelFoley · 26-01-2011 12:07AM

Would i vote for Sinn Fein?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o19CaOSuD8

DazMarz · 26-01-2011 12:13AM

Wouldn't vote for them if I was paid to vote for them... Murdering scumbags.

Don't know who I'll vote for this time out...

Degag · 26-01-2011 12:13AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

ah I see what happened there, I said the guys responsible for killings are now looking for our votes so you correctly deduced that the leaders from 90 years ago are now running in the next general election. There is of course no way I was talking about the IRA leaders that are responsible for killing innocent people from the 70's until very recently.:rolleyes:

If only I'd been very clear about that in a couple of posts on this particular thread.

What are you on about?

highlandseoghan · 26-01-2011 12:14AM

yes i will they do a lot of work all year round and they care for the low paid workers in this country.

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2011 12:14AM

Degag wrote: »

What are you on about?

Are you just playing dumb or what , you know well whats goign on. but I suppose, like Gerry Adams and his ramblings, it's probably hoped that any sensible talk that doesnt paint SF in a good light gets buried in a pile of bull****.

I'll summarise just to humour you: IRA leaders responsible for many many murders both in Ireland and Britain are now looking for our votes. British leaders also responsible for killings are not. ergo the british and what they did or did not do are irrelevant to the discussion. The SF leaders and what they did are very much central to the discussion. It's far too soon to be entertaining the notion of voting for SF while people directly responsible for the goings on of the last 40 years are leading them. Maybe when they are dead/no longer involved it might be the time for another look, not before.

thats without even beating them with their own ridiculous policies.

scientific1982 · 26-01-2011 12:19AM

As ****ed as the economy is now, it would be even worse with SF.

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2011 12:21AM

highlandseoghan wrote: »

yes i will they do a lot of work all year round and they care for the low paid workers in this country.

Well theres a point well made.

Heres a very similar one in the same vein:
FF are responsible for good stuff, vote for them.

Who cares about substance eh?

Degag · 26-01-2011 12:22AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are you just playing dumb or what , you know well whats goign on. but I suppose, like Gerry Adams and his ramblings, it's probably hoped that any sensible talk that doesnt paint SF in a good light gets buried in a pile of bull****.

I said in one of my first posts in here that i didn't agree with Sinn Fein/IRA policies after c. 1923. Who could? By the way, in the 1970s there were just as many Loyalist killings in Northern Ireland as Republican ones - just to point it out. The IRA weren't the only *terrorist* organisation operating in the country.

In any case, the party has had it's bad points - obviously - but it now seems focused on it's political duties. That's what we should be worried about too.

Tar.Aldarion · 26-01-2011 12:24AM

Not a chance, they are even worse and just spout bad ideas?

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2011 12:26AM

Degag wrote: »

The IRA weren't the only *terrorist* organisation operating in the country.
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Who said they were? In fact I was quite clear that they were'nt. But they are the only ones now looking for me to vote for them.

steddyeddy · 26-01-2011 12:50AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Who said they were? In fact I was quite clear that they were'nt. But they are the only ones now looking for me to vote for them.

labour have/had ira links

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