Public Consultation-NEW Channels Proposed 'RTÉ Two HD Select', 'RTÉjr', 'RTÉ Plus'

Elmo · 24-11-2010 05:42PM

The ASAI is an NGO/Self-regulator and has nothing to do with any public regulatory body.

I believe Section 103 should be extended to included private broadcasters. I think the time frame should be reduced, again refering back to the swedish model as I understand it: -

1. BAI/ComReg (whomever) excepts applications and does an SIA
2. The Dept conducts a public consultation
3. The Dail Committee looks at each of the docs provided by the BAI and Dept and gives the minister a number of options to choose from
4. The Minister with all of this information makes his decision on one of the options as he/she sees fit.

And that the BAI launch actual competitive licence processes for commercial channels rather than a lack luster rolling one. The BAI want one thing and one thing only Pay DTT.

watty · 24-11-2010 05:55PM

Anyhow. This belated consultation (which should have been done in 2008 or July/August) is just to make Minister Ryan look important and as a "sop" to the public.

We will get exactly what RTE has proposed and in reality the only real new content proposed is actually RTE News now. The MHEG5 Aertel proposed is simply an enhancement of Teletext, the rest is just a consequence of the new platform. Where was the consultation about Widescreen which reduced quality for those without PayTV? The HD needs no consultation, nor moving RTE jr from RTE2 daytime to its own part time slot with RTE1 +1. That's shuffling the cards.

Broadcasting content should absolutely NOT be under government control.

2. The Dept conducts a public consultation
3. The Dail Committee looks at each of the docs provided by the BAI and Dept and gives the minister a number of options to choose from
4. The Minister with all of this information makes his decision on one of the options as he/she sees fit.

Only has place in a Police State. Especially (4).

(2) and (3)
If the DCNER and Dail Committee have an involvement, then any authorisation or veto should be bay committee quorum majority or the House. What if Ray Burke was the Minister?
The BAI should only be a regulator in broadest sense only to veto unacceptable content, set content standards or revoke licence of a Station that is simply budget imports.

Elmo · 24-11-2010 06:22PM

Then you let the Minister just get away with not doing anything and continually pass the buck over to the Quangos that they set up. Quangos who have no really responsibility to the public and which are often filled with jobs-for-the-boys types.

We have pretty much got what Ray Burke left us with, the only difference is possibly TG4.

The BAI ignored many when they increased TV3 advertising hours, they would have ignored PlayTV had no-one complained.

Perhaps the minister could bring the options to the Dail to discussion and allow a vote to occur. I do I see your point about a police state but someone must have responsibility for any mistakes caused.

Anyhow. This belated consultation (which should have been done in 2008 or July/August) is just to make Minister Ryan look important and as a "sop" to the public.

Or a sop to RTÉ and the BAI, why didn't they insist that these consultations take place to allow for the commercial provider to set up shop in conjunction with Saorview something they had said from the outset. Anyway who ever gets to be communications minster gets to cut the ribbon. Now there is a bigger sop, its a pity it cann't be Dempsey he seems good at that kind of thing.

watty · 24-11-2010 07:29PM

I never suggested BAI or Comreg are doing their jobs well.

The Cush · 14-12-2010 09:34AM

In relation to the new DTT channels two consultations are underway, one by the Dept and another one by the BAI in relation to the sectoral impact of the proposals.

Section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 provides the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources with responsibility to consider requests by RTÉ or TG4 for new channels and services and to make a determination on whether to consent to these channels. As part of this process the Minister is required to:

1. consult with the broadcaster concerned and other persons, as he sees fit;
2. consult with the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) as to the sectoral impact of the proposals;
3. consider the public value of the proposals; and
4. publish a statement outlining the consultations that have taken place and indicating a place at which any documents given to the Minister in the course of the consultation may be inspected.

Prior to his consideration of the public value of the RTÉ proposals, the Minister has decided to publicly consult on the proposals.

(The BAI is currently consulting with industry in relation to the sectoral impact of the proposals and will report to the Minister on this. This consultation will not consider sectoral impact.)

The BAI consultation appears to be completed and the submissions were to be discussed at the BAI monthly board meeting yesterday. The submissions from TV3, Sky and the NNI would be an interesting read, I wonder if they'll be made available online?

RTE to defend its online presence
12 December 2010 By Catherine O’Mahony

... the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) will tomorrow assess the market impact of RTE’s soon-to launch digital terrestrial television (DTT) offering, and has taken submissions from TV3, Sky and the NNI on the matter.

It is expected that the NNI will argue that RTE should not use the DTT platform to boost commercial revenues.

RTE has submitted for consideration by the BAI, and ultimately the government, a list of eight channels that it wants to run on the new DTT platform, Saorview, that is due for launch next May.

The channels proposed will be RT&EURO;1, RTE 2,TV3 and 3e, plus RTE News Now (a rolling RTE news service),RT&EURO;2HD Select (a variant of RTE 2 that will focus on sport and imported drama in high definition).

A dual channel, that will offer children’s television in the daytime and key RTE shows with a time-delay in the evening, is also proposed, as well as an enhanced digital version of Aertel.

The only new channel That won’t carry advertising will be the children’s channel. A decision on Saorview’s content is expected next month.

http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/rte-to-defend-its-online-presence-53408.html

4FM must make listenership gains, says radio authority
05 December 2010 By Catherine O’Mahony

...
The BAI is also gearing up to make key decisions about broader industry matters at its board meeting on December 13.

A British consultancy firm has been gathering views from the industry in the BAI’s first-ever sectoral impact report on the imminent launch of digital terrestrial television (DTT) by RTE next year.

Views have been sought from interested parties such as TV3, UPC and Sky, as well as the National Newspapers of Ireland (NNI) group. NNI has been lobbying the government for more support for its own activities in digital media and is critical of what it regards as excessive focus by the state on public service broadcasting.

The sectoral impact report is due to be submitted to the BAI this week.

The BAI is also assessing more than 30 responses to its call for submissions on its future strategy statement. This is also due for debate on December 13.

The meeting will also consider issues relating to the funding provided by RTE forTG4.

http://www.thepost.ie/archives/2010/1205/4fm-must-make-listenership-gains-says-radio-authority-53242.html

Elmo · 14-12-2010 11:46AM

Why was a British* Consultancy firm used? Surely there are plenty of Irish firms looking for the work.

Why is Sky asked about such things, the BAI don't regulate them!

*Or any foreign firm.

Macy0161 · 14-12-2010 12:17PM

Elmo wrote: »

Why is Sky asked about such things, the BAI don't regulate them!

Ridiculous to give Sky an input. Political interference to keep Murdoch at least partly onside?

The Cush · 25-01-2011 12:44AM

With the resignation of Eamon Ryan last Sunday and the appointment of Pat Carey to the position of Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources where does the consultation process on RTÉ's new channels stand?

An announcement was expected by the end of Jan. The guess is it doesn't matter who is Minister, the civil servants run the show in any case. There are another 4 weeks before the election, maybe we'll have an announcement before then.

This from Sunday's Sunday Business Post

MEDIA WORLD
23 January 2011 By Catherine O'Mahony
Why does RTE screen a top-notch drama like Mad Men at midnight?
...

RTE has said that, as soon as Saorview (its upcoming digital service) is up and running, it hopes this will change. Its proposed new services include a channel called RTE Two HD Select, a variant of RTE Two that will focus on sport and imported drama in high definition.

A 10pm slot for Mad Men will surely not be too much to expect here.

That said, TV3 and the National Newspapers of Ireland have already objected to what they see as an overly commercialised line-up of RTE’s proposed new digital service (although this is largely because there will be ad breaks on all the new channels, according to RTE’s proposal). It remains to be seen, however, what stance the government will take.

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=MEDIA-AND-MARKETING-qqqs=mediaandmarketing-qqqid=54063-qqqx=1.asp

Elmo · 25-01-2011 06:52PM

The Cush wrote: »

With the resignation of Eamon Ryan last Sunday and the appointment of Pat Carey to the position of Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources where does the consultation process on RTÉ's new channels stand?

An announcement was expected by the end of Jan. The guess is it doesn't matter who is Minister, the civil servants run the show in any case. There are another 4 weeks before the election, maybe we'll have an announcement before then.

Maybe he signed it before he resigned fingers crossed. FF won't sign off on it in any case. It's a pity Micheal D. isn't returning to the fold

watty · 25-01-2011 07:15PM

Eamon Ryan should have signed a Definitive date for ASO already, ideally he should have signed it during the Spring or summer 2010 to remove uncertainty. Now it's not going to be signed before March 2011, even though we know it will be Q4 2012 (and should be 32st October 2012).

He has been too busy all along being Green's Finance Spokesperson and selling Wood Stoves to do his Job. The only thing he did sign of significance was the NBS started by his predecessor, which he should have scrapped and re-done instead of rubber stamping it.

I seriously doubt it has been signed off.

tr0llface · 05-11-2011 02:53AM

I think this whole thing is a huge waste of money, the government and the people of Irreand have better things to be spending money on rather than wasting it all having to buy a whole fleet of never televisions next October.

dowtchaboy · 05-11-2011 09:37AM

tr0llface wrote: »

I think this whole thing is a huge waste of money, the government and the people of Irreand have better things to be spending money on rather than wasting it all having to buy a whole fleet of never televisions next October.

One of the advantages of reading and learning from this forum and the people who generously give their time and advice here is that there will be no need to rush out in a panic and buy a newer TV next October. RTENL could turn off the analogue transmissions this morning and most people here wouldn't even notice.
However I presume from your name and the fact that you have resurrected an old thread that you are probably not serious - are you? :eek:

Public Consultation-NEW Channels Proposed 'RTÉ Two HD Select', 'RTÉjr', 'RTÉ Plus'

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