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How to vote strategically??

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  • #32
    SerialComplaint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭SerialComplaint


    murphaph wrote: »
    Well, we use it all the time with our online banking services. Please note that no system can be 100% fraud proof and the current system is quite likely to see a lot of fraud as it stands as the only ID checks actually required to vote are pathetic cursory checks of ATM cards and such like. I have voted with nothing more than my ATM card as "proof" of my identity in the past. No polling card, no photo ID (for what a 10 year old driving licence photo is actually worth). I believe an electonic system based largely on current online banking technology would be at least as fraud resistant as the current setup but to be honest, it's not my main gripe with the current system...that gripe is the single transferable vote and our multi-seat constituencies that promote localised "competition" between our NATIONAL PARLIAMENTARIANS so each tries to outdo the other wrt what he or she is "seen" to be doing locally, all at the expense of their national obligations of course.

    I believe vote selling can take place with our current system. A person can easily use a miniature wireless camera to prove to a third party that he or she has voted a certain way and receive financial reward as a result. As for voting under duress, it could happen but I would not make e-voting compulsory (for many reasons, not least due to poor governance from Dail Eireann, many people still aren't online) and those who felt vulnerable could always opt to continue voting at a polling station.

    Online banking systems are not voting systems. There is no requirement for anonymity with online banking. The reverse is true - every transaction needs to be tied to an individual. With voting, anonymity is essential, and this conflicts with the requirement for auditability.

    Allowing people to opt to vote at a polling station is no help really, because the big bully just has to bully them to opt-out and vote at home.


  • #33
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    My head hurts (more than it did) after reading that and Im still no closer to a definate answer.

    Right so here goes.

    Hypothetical Constituency--5 seater.

    3 FF candidates
    3 FG candidates
    3 Labour
    1 SF
    1 Independant.

    My preferences are Labour 1.2.3 then FG 4.5.6. the Independant,then SF

    How do ensure that none of my transfers get to FF at all or is that even achievable within this voting system?

    Vote as follows:

    1. Favourite Lab candidate
    2. 2nd favourite Lab candidate
    3. 3rd favourite Lab candidate
    4. Favourite FG candidate
    5. 2nd favourite FG candidate
    6. 3rd favourite FG candidate
    7. Independent Candidate
    8. SF candidate

    and that's it. If you don't want any transfers going to FF candidates then leave the boxes next to them blank.


  • #34
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Vote as follows:

    Hellraiser. My point is whoever you vote for if they get elected then your vote is used up and it does not matter. If they get elected with a surplus then your vote does matter to the extent of the surplus i.e. if they get two quotas your number two is as good as a number one ( as long as all the other people also voted number 2 for the same person). But if the candidate you pick as number 1 gets in, your number 3 ,4 etc . wont matter. Where number 2 and three really count as good as number 1 is when you vote number 1 for a candidate who does not have a chance e.g. no offence intended natural law party or Christian solidarity party. If you voted 1,2 for them and they got say 50 votes of a 6,000 quota then your number 3 is the same as a number 1. You are not getting an extra vote your vote for the weak candidate is just being re allocated to someone else because your choice of such a weak candidate meant that vote didn't count. The whole idea is to allow people to vote for weaker candidates and prevent someone gotting say 20 per cent but still topping the poll.

    Putting a FF candidate at number 9 or 10 won't matter in practice because numbers 1 to eight should have taken up one of the the available seats.


  • #35
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Hellrazer wrote: »

    My preferences are Labour 1.2.3 then FG 4.5.6. the Independant,then SF

    How do ensure that none of my transfers get to FF at all or is that even achievable within this voting system?

    Your number 2,3 4, 5 or 6 wont matter if Labour get a seat and your 4,5, and 6 wont matter unless Labour dont get a seat. And you 7 and 8 wont matter unless Lab and FG don't get a seat. What constituency is there in which FG or Lab won't get a seat? Even then your 7 and 8 will still count. but assuming labout dint get a seat and FG didnt and your vote went independent and they didnt get in and transferred to Sf and they didnt get in. the fact that you dont hacve a transfer to FF will make no difference since if FF are still left at that stage they will have won all the seats as nobody else would have got in!

    In fact the example is only academic because FF are not running four candidates anywhere for four seats as far as I know.


  • #36
    mccoist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭mccoist


    LEAVE THE BOX EMPTY PLEASE
    In this election FF are targetting the third seat or last remaining seat in each constituincy. They are hoping to get a result by default ie they will have a certain amount of votes for their one candidatewho will get electedfrom transfers from Fg/Labour and candidates eliminated
    This election for them is about finishing third,
    FF tactic here will be to rubbish SF the only party to challenge them for third spot
    SF finishing up as the recognised opposition party would be a result for the country and really shake wake up a few people


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