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Importance of Passing of Finance Bill

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  • #32
    Maj Malfunction
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭Maj Malfunction


    I'm coming to the view that the Finance Bill is while important, does it matter or not if it gets passed this week or a General Election is called now?

    Internationally we look like clowns and are a laughing stock. Lenny & Biffo telling us in November that the IMF aren't coming to Ireland & sure what do you know they show up!

    The sooner we get rid of this "Government" the better we will get certainty and start to work on building some sort of credibility domestically & internationally.
    !


  • #33
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Maj Malfunction wrote: »
    I'm coming to the view that the Finance Bill is while important, does it matter or not if it gets passed this week or a General Election is called now?

    Internationally we look like clowns and are a laughing stock. Lenny & Biffo telling us in November that the IMF aren't coming to Ireland & sure what do you know they show up!

    The sooner we get rid of this "Government" the better we will get certainty and start to work on building some sort of credibility domestically & internationally.
    !

    This isn't a laughing stock in politics. What's going on now in Dáil Eireann is small beans compared to what's gone on elsewhere internationally.

    Party in government clinging to power by any means possible, *big whoop*.


  • #34
    hallelujajordan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭hallelujajordan


    Maj Malfunction wrote: »
    I'm coming to the view that the Finance Bill is while important, does it matter or not if it gets passed this week or a General Election is called now?

    Internationally we look like clowns and are a laughing stock. Lenny & Biffo telling us in November that the IMF aren't coming to Ireland & sure what do you know they show up!

    The sooner we get rid of this "Government" the better we will get certainty and start to work on building some sort of credibility domestically & internationally.
    !

    I'm interested in this analysis that we are an international laughing stock . . Can anyone point me to references where the international media are laughing at us . .I have not been able to find anything.


  • #35
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Can I sneak in a quick question.

    If the finance bill hasnt been passed into law, how come all the changes are already in effect? (the USC etc.)


  • #36
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Het-Field wrote: »
    How magnaminous of you :rolleyes:

    The Finance Bill is simply legislating for the budget. It cannot be renaged upon. It has been voted through the Dail. FF will always have their fingerprints on it. Thus there is no cynicism attached.

    All Parties are willing to have it passed as it is simply legislating for a budget which was accepted by a majority of the house pre-christmas.

    That is not correct. Fg have stated taht they will vote for some parts and against others and have amendments. When quizzed about the amendments this morninbg on PK, Noonan fudged. They want the Finance Bill and an early election.

    That will mean this electio is about punsihing FF and not about policies that will help our economy and citizens.

    There is absolutely no other reason to push to move the election forward.

    If FF said F*** it, and left teh budget to teh next dail, teh public would see teh coalitions first actions as dithering, arguing and eventually settling over an identical Finance Bill.

    That would be in FFs best inteerst not the countries. This Bill MUST be passed by this dail. FG and Labour are banking on teh government to pass it under any circumstances.

    They are putting their own electoral interest before teh country and it may backfire.


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  • #37
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    hallelujajordan wrote: »
    I'm interested in this analysis that we are an international laughing stock . . Can anyone point me to references where the international media are laughing at us . .I have not been able to find anything.

    Yes, the "international laughing stock" is being cited as teh reason to bring the election forward. I suspect teh reasons are a little more selfish on teh oppositions part.

    "Bickering" is teh word most commonly used on BBC. It describes all politicians here fighting when the country is in crises.

    That may mean taht the opposition accepting teh current date of the election, debating the Fiannce Bill and getting on with it instead of this insistance on an early election would actually help our image, not ahrm it.


  • #38
    squonk
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Broadly speaking, the finance bill as I see it is a formality. no party can make sweeping amendments to it. Like it or not, thanks to recent events, we are no longer in charge of writing our own budgets. the four year plan was demanded by the EU to bring us in line with policies in other EU countries and the Eu/IMF in return for the bailout are dictating what cuts need to be made. Yes, we have some leeway in how the money is cobbled together but broadly it doesn't leave us with many options and, regardless of what the opposition or the government say, neither of them can change the bill in any large or meaningful way.

    What's happening now is purely a game. FF using the finance bill as a tool to remain in power for a bit longer while Mickey Martin settles into the job and rouses the troops, the opposition see it as a tool to catch FF on the hop and force them to an election with their party machine in disarray. Neither side are really dong what's in the interests of the country primarily but we need an election and a change of government so we'll at least get that.


  • #39
    pocketvenus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭pocketvenus


    Apparently the Finance Bill needs to be passes or it can be challenged in the courts. So unless it is passed before the whole GE internationally creditbaility and huge legal problems.

    I know ppl are sick of FF but rushing this through based on emotion will only lead to errors. If we are going to start a "new Ireland" might as well do it properly.


  • #40
    Rosahane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    hallelujajordan wrote: »
    I'm interested in this analysis that we are an international laughing stock . . Can anyone point me to references where the international media are laughing at us . .I have not been able to find anything.

    You have to be joking, have a look on Bloomberg! The article below is relatively tame to some of the recent press.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-24/irish-parties-race-to-pass-budget-after-greens-withdrawal-ends-coalition.html


  • #41
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    The Labour Party are hoping that every potential voter forgets about their MONC. Shameless stuff!


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