Synthetic Diamonds

Wibbs · 21-01-2011 01:23AM

Fishie wrote: »

Buy me one of these neutron stars and I'll be your bitch!

If I was given a synthetic diamond ring, I don't think I'd be bothered... I'd probably be more fascinated with how it was made, to be honest. Also less money on overpriced jewellery means more money for other things, like amazing holidays! Then again I'm not too pushed about the whole marriage thing in the first place

Marry me now. I got this ring in an xmas cracker. The highest quality plastique it is. Collapsed star to follow....

kowloon · 21-01-2011 03:33AM

Travel to poor African nation of choice, kill local, cremate them and have the ashes turned into a diamond. Best of both worlds.

21-01-2011 10:20AM

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd put good money you have silver jewelry and that shít tarnishes if you look at it sideways(the good stuff does anyway). Of course the trend towards silver was also an industry led thing. Gold was too expensive so people bought a few pieces of quality stuff in their lives. Making silver more fash opened up the market. I don't mind high quality/content silver TBH. Can look good. White gold I really dont see the point though. Platinum at the mad money it is? Hell make it outa high grade stainless steel and be done with it. Same effect and more robust.

I have to admit I love white gold

It does look different to silver and I love the look of it.
Rose gold and yellow gold though, that stuff you can keep

Lumen · 21-01-2011 10:22AM

RichieC wrote: »

95% of the earths population cannot afford them, can barley feed themselves and their children, probably more.

Barley? Wheat you talkin' bout Willis?

Wibbs · 21-01-2011 10:57AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I have to admit I love white gold It does look different to silver and I love the look of it.
Rose gold and yellow gold though, that stuff you can keep

Funny I'd be the opposite.

Though I agree you can tell white gold from silver and ditto for platinum. Silver to my eyes has a grey undertone with some brown thrown in. White gold is more "silver" and platinum is much more silver with blue undertones, though the latter doesnt look too far off high polish stainless steel. My eyes are fecked though so....

21-01-2011 11:10AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Funny I'd be the opposite. Though I agree you can tell white gold from silver and ditto for platinum. Silver to my eyes has a grey undertone with some brown thrown in. White gold is more "silver" and platinum is much more silver with blue undertones, though the latter doesnt look too far off high polish stainless steel. My eyes are fecked though so....

Are you walking around with a jeweller's glass in your eye

foxyboxer · 21-01-2011 11:54AM

Diamond Rings are classic examples of Veblen Goods, in that the appeal increases the greater the price is. The idea that having a more expensive ring somehow confers social status among women.

If I was intending propose and marry someone who had an unhealthy pre-occupation with the ring and specifically how much it should cost, I would seriously have to consider having her as a life partner.

Just my 2c

21-01-2011 12:26PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

Diamond Rings are classic examples of Veblen Goods, in that the appeal increases the greater the price is. The idea that having a more expensive ring somehow confers social status among women.

If I was intending propose and marry someone who had an unhealthy pre-occupation with the ring and specifically how much it should cost, I would seriously have to consider having her as a life partner.
Just my 2c

Are you sure about that

starlit · 21-01-2011 01:55PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd put good money you have silver jewelry and that shít tarnishes if you look at it sideways(the good stuff does anyway). Of course the trend towards silver was also an industry led thing. Gold was too expensive so people bought a few pieces of quality stuff in their lives. Making silver more fash opened up the market. I don't mind high quality/content silver TBH. Can look good. White gold I really dont see the point though. Platinum at the mad money it is? Hell make it outa high grade stainless steel and be done with it. Same effect and more robust.

Yes most of my jewellery is silver. Some gold. I like both but prefer silver. It doesn't look as cheap and is easy on the eye. You can wear a lot of silver and wouldn't look cheap but wearing a lot of gold might. Combining a bit of silver and gold isn't too bad. A little bit of it is always more when it comes to accessories like that when going out and about.

bowsie010 · 21-01-2011 03:15PM

Why stop at synthetic diamonds? How about the simulated pearl? Or the created ruby?

All admirable stones in their own way I find.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-01-2011 04:15AM

Fishie wrote: »

Buy me one of these neutron stars and I'll be your bitch!

Done.

You can collect it anytime next week.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-01-2011 04:24AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The base metal for that process is Mercury isn't it? I may be wrong...

Mercury 198 + 6.8MeV gamma ray \to 1 neutron + Mercury 197 (half-life 2.7 days \to Gold 197 + 1 positron)

goose2005 wrote: »

Platinum.

LOL

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 22-01-2011 04:25AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Mercury 198 + 6.8MeV gamma ray \to 1 neutron + Mercury 197 (half-life 2.7 days \to Gold 197 + 1 positron)

LOL

omg, its 6.9MeV gamma ray

johnmcdnl · 22-01-2011 04:36AM

diamonds wouldn't be expensive if we didn't value them so much - we only value them because their shiny

give a synthetic diamond to any girl and unless she works in a jewellers or something I'd put any amount of money on it she'd never know the difference (or for that matter pick out an inperfection:rolleyes: in a normal one)

diamonds shouldn't be expensive but they are because we think we have too spend so much on them for wedding and engagement rings - the number of people saying that you have to spend a months wages on a wedding ring just shows where diamonds get their value from..

diamond is a brilliant substance - hardest known substance know to man and all that - if it wasn't shiny though it'd only cost a fraction of the price and I doubt there'd even be a market for synthetic diamonds...

personally I'd buy a synthetic diamond any day of the week and present it to anyone as a real one but can you imagine the trouble you'd get into when the woman finds out somehow that it's a "fake" diamond (and of course there'll be no telling her that it's actually better than a real one)

and then you have collectors and valuers and the likes who of course are going to say that a natural one is better because it is and i'm so posh I'm going to go out and spend 1000000000 euro on this diamond because it is the purest diamond ever found (and once again no telling them that the one your holding is synthetic and is even purer and has less imperfections again)

once you get in the market for expensive goods like these sense doesn't come into it

just like why anyone would have to spend 1000 euro on a handbag by gucci when you can get one that looks almost identical in penny's for a tenner..

they rich and powerful tell you that you need the luxury item and must pay so much money for it and we listen because we want to be rich and powerful and we think by following and listening like sheep we'll somehow be happier with our luxury items because we spent so much money on them

Tar.Aldarion · 22-01-2011 04:42AM

even jewellers cant tell the difference, they are essentially real. i'd never want to buy a mined one anyway.

Mike 1972 · 22-01-2011 06:50AM

John Logie Barid onetime attmpted to produce an artificial diamond by embedding two copper rods and a piece of coal in concrete and connecting it across the main electricity supply line for Glasgow :eek:

RichieC wrote: »

A Cartel controls diamond value, their rareness is artificial.

Just like the housing market

Crucifix · 22-01-2011 01:01PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

..but can you imagine the trouble you'd get into when the woman finds out somehow that it's a "fake" diamond

If she doesn't have any spectrometers I wouldn't worry about it

iguana · 22-01-2011 01:25PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

However they are not allowed be used in the jewellery business cos companies like De Beers enjoy their cartel too much.

The company I bought my wedding rings from sells synthetic diamond jewellery. If I'd wanted an engagement ring I'd have gotten it from there. And they have a synthetic emerald ring that I have my eye on as treat for myself if I ever make 5 figures from my writing.:cool:

johnmcdnl · 22-01-2011 06:22PM

Crucifix wrote: »

If she doesn't have any spectrometers I wouldn't worry about it

a drunken slip of the tongue either

Cookie_Monster · 22-01-2011 07:30PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

even jewellers cant tell the difference, they are essentially real. i'd never want to buy a mined one anyway.

the chemical & physical properties are near impossible to tell the difference, however there is one very easy way to tell the difference. Synthetic ones are much smaller, like grains of sand

Since they only end up coating cutting tools, generally, there's no need to go to the greater expense and time of making them any larger.

There's a vial of them sitting on the shelf here somewhere

tatabubbly · 22-01-2011 08:44PM

Only if she isn't a chemist

I don't want a big old carbon ring, if i did i'd get a pencil for my engagement ring!!!

Gimme a rare stone any day!

iguana · 22-01-2011 08:57PM

tatabubbly wrote: »

Gimme a rare stone any day!

Eh? What do you think the "rare" stone is made of?

Cookie_Monster · 23-01-2011 11:06AM

tatabubbly wrote: »

Gimme a rare stone any day!

How about some Jadeite?

http://listverse.com/2007/12/02/top-10-rarest-gems/

Amhran Nua · 23-01-2011 11:24AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

John Logie Barid onetime attmpted to produce an artificial diamond by embedding two copper rods and a piece of coal in concrete and connecting it across the main electricity supply line for Glasgow

You just don't get that level of mad scientist anymore.

rubadub · 23-01-2011 11:28AM

Guill wrote: »

I want a rock that some guy has broke his back to get out of the ground, i want it to have at least the blood of 7 people on it and i always like to know how little the labourers got paid to do this work.

Maybe you can get a certificate to say the workers in the synthetic factory are on minimum wage, work in cold conditions, and have no safety features in place so on average 2 guys die every week, if there are no accidents they sacrifice one just to make the stone feel a little bit more "special".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ff13zZ0h0k

positron · 23-01-2011 12:04PM

Couple of years back, when I was looking to buy an engagement ring - I first bought the 'Blood Diamonds' DVD and watched it with her. That reaffirmed her dislike for diamonds & DeBeers. A while later, while on transit in Dubai, we went ring shopping and she picked a beautiful sapphire stone mounted on a lovely platinum ring, which worked out around 800 euro, (a lot of that is cost of platinum), and she's been getting compliments on it ever since.

Seriously, everyone should read/watch "Blood Diamond" before they spend a penny on these supposedly rare stones!

Tar.Aldarion · 23-01-2011 04:01PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

the chemical & physical properties are near impossible to tell the difference, however there is one very easy way to tell the difference. Synthetic ones are much smaller, like grains of sand Since they only end up coating cutting tools, generally, there's no need to go to the greater expense and time of making them any larger.

There's a vial of them sitting on the shelf here somewhere

ah but that is changing, they are making them larger and selling them for cheaper than real diamonds. I imagine they could sell them for really cheap but are not stupid and don't want to flood the market with them, which would ruin their business.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-01-2011 04:25PM

Natural diamonds have flaws, but artificial ones are perfect

and somehow wiminz are supposed to want the flawed ones

marketing genius

Tar.Aldarion · 23-01-2011 04:27PM

Is fruit grown in a greenhouse synthetic fruit? (although not quite the same thing) I don't see why there is much discussion on them terms and how they were made, should just be the cost and perhaps the better quality of the synthetic variety.

iguana · 23-01-2011 11:37PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Is fruit grown in a greenhouse synthetic fruit? (although not quite the same thing) I don't see why there is much discussion on them terms and how they were made, should just be the cost and perhaps the better quality of the synthetic variety.

Not the best analogy, tbf. Hothoused fruit rarely tastes a fraction as good as that which grows seasonally in it's natural environment.

Shop bought blackberries; blandness defined.
Blackberries picked from the riverbank in late summer; amazing mouth orgasms.

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