Actress Brother Sentenced in Her Honor Beating

Dudess · 22-01-2011 08:45PM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Yes, there's nothing wrong in condemning this act in itself at all. But that's not what is happening here, a barbaric act committed by a young man against his sister as a result of a literal taking of Islamic doctrine is being used as an excuse for criticising an entire religion.

No doubt you're perfectly familiar with the fact that the bible is full of ridiculous doctrine and fallacy that the vast majority of christians don't practise at all, bar some crackpot minor sects. The problem is with Western media constantly constantly illuminating the darker side of Islam leading to people assuming that this is the case for the majority of the religion.
There are far more Christian nutjobs in Britain and Ireland than there are Muslims (being Christian majority countries) yet they don't get half the publicity because of the hardening of opinion in the West since 9/11.

I agree - and on AH you'll get some pretty horrible, uninformed stuff about muslims... however, on Humanities, where it's expected that such issues be discussed without the kneejerk generalisations, you'll always get someone who starts having a go at people for criticising barbarism like this - and they're not having a go at the religion, just the act, but still... "You've no right to criticise another culture's customs" and of course the chestnut "You can't talk in the West - look at America, it's still got the death penalty" etc as if there's even much of a connection.

up for anything · 22-01-2011 09:16PM

Dudess wrote: »

Agreed. However, people have every right to condemn the barbarity of this act (leaving the religion out of it) without insinuations that it's cultural intolerance or being reminded that similar stuff was done in the name of Christianity hundreds/thousands of years ago. An act of brutality is an act of brutality.

FFS - ironically, it's those police who are bringing race into it.

I don't disagree with you. Honour killings and beatings are loathsome acts perpetrated by savages under the guise of religion/culture. However, Jonjo as quoted below wasn't condemning or condoning, he was rabble rousing. I mentioned Catholicism in order to leaven his last sentence. Makes me as bad as him.

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

The actress know to fans of Harry Potter was subjected to a honour beating by her brother and her family approved, and i thought Islam was the peaceful and non violent religion?
http://www.foxnews.com//entertainment/2011/01/21/harry-potter-actress-afshan-azads-brother-sentenced-honor-beating/?test=faces

dreamers75 · 22-01-2011 10:00PM

**** your Hindu i have a Muslim outside.

Seaneh · 22-01-2011 10:10PM

People have grown out of the barbaric nature of Christianity.

Christianity is barbaric? How, exactly?

Marcus.Aurelius · 22-01-2011 10:38PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Christianity is barbaric? How, exactly?

Eating the flesh and blood of your saviour (symbolic or otherwise) is not exactly civilised.

Dudess · 23-01-2011 12:41AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Christianity is barbaric? How, exactly?

Well historically some horrendous things have been done in the name of christianity/by christians against those of other religions.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 02:01AM

Dudess wrote: »

Well historically some horrendous things have been done in the name of christianity/by christians against those of other religions.

historically more horrendous were carried out by atheists in Cambodia, Germany, The USSR and China (and all in the last 100 years) but I wouldn't say Atheism is barbaric.

People claiming to be Christian's committed atrocities, people did things claimed them in the name of Christ, there is no Christian teaching that is barbaric, in fact, I would state, wholly, that Christianity, the actual teachings of Christianity, are the most loving and peaceful of any religion.

I could do things "in the name of" jelly tots, it doesn't mean the things I do actually have any relation to jelly tots!

It's a retarded argument to make "someone kicked me in the face and said it was it was because he was Christian" is just as strong an argument as connecting the papal wars, the crusades, the the inquisition or anything else to Christianity.

As for the other fallacy that gets thrown around here, namely Ireland's relationship with the UK over the last 800 odd years, it never had, and never will have anything to do with Christianity, it has always been and always will be an ethnic and political conflict. Irish people didn't want to be ruled by British people. for the majority of those 800 years, the British rulers were also catholic, so the idea of "Catholic vs Protestant" majorly flawed. The fact that most british people were protestant and most Irish people were catholic is neither here nor there, neither strand of Christianity calls for violence in it's teaching, in fact, both deplore violence.
If people just ****ing educated themselves and had a ****ing brain they could see the simplicity of it all.

The troubles in northern Ireland have nothing to do with religion, if there were no religious difference between both communities the ethnic and political difference would still be as strong, it would still be a group of people who want to be self ruled and separate from british influence vs a set of people who want to be british and be ruled and tied to britian.

Anyone who argues otherwise is, in short, an idiot.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 02:07AM

Caesar Augustus wrote: »

Eating the flesh and blood of your saviour (symbolic or otherwise) is not exactly civilised.

breaking the bread, symbolised that his body would be broken.
pouring the wine, symbolised that his blood would be shed.
Giving it to the disciples, symbolised giving himself for humanity.

There is nothing barbaric about it.

"Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."

That is the essence of Christianity, that someone loved us so much that he gave his life for ours.
Where is the barbarism in that?

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 02:13AM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Catholicism has grown men having anal sex with young boys but suddenly it's Islam that has issues? :rolleyes: Grow up, cop the fuck on and don't tar a whole religion with one brush.

No, it doesn't.
I'm not even Catholic, I have a lot of problems with the teachings of the Catholic church, but this is not one of them, because it is not a teaching of the catholic.

A tiny minority of people inside an institution abused their position.
The same has happened in athletics, academics and other religions.

I can see nowhere in the IOC's guidelines where it says coaches should abuse the children in their care, likewise I can see nothing in academic circles where it cause teachers should abuse their students. I see nothing in buddhist teachings that says monks should abuse the children in their care, but people in each of those fields abused their position and did it anyway.

does that mean that Athletics organisations, schools or other religions are evil?
No, it doesn't.

Get a ****ing clue.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 02:14AM

Morkarleth wrote: »

No, they're just massive hypocrites.

"See, this part of the book only applies to Jews but this part, which I can use to justify my prejudices, is okay."
Just because they don't practice the hideously barbaric parts of their religion doesn't meant they're not a part of it.

No, you just haven't a ****ing clue what you are talking about.
If you bothered to read the damned book, you'd learn where you are mistaken.

Bloody Nipples · 23-01-2011 02:42AM

Seaneh wrote: »

breaking the bread, symbolised that his body would be broken.
pouring the wine, symbolised that his blood would be shed.
Giving it to the disciples, symbolised giving himself for humanity.

There is nothing barbaric about it.

"Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."

That is the essence of Christianity, that someone loved us so much that he gave his life for ours.
Where is the barbarism in that?

You've just cherrypicked one noble aspect of Christianity.

What about the fact the Bible declares that false prophets should be killed, rape and pillage in the name of God at Jabesh-gilead, people who don't listen to priests should be killed, gays should be killed, curse your parents? Killed. Adultery? Killed. Follow another religion? Killed.

Yet at the same time you see Christianity as good and caring because Jesus died for us. How's about the fact that every Muslim is supposed to give a percentage of their wealth to the needy? Somehow that one got lost in translation to "death cult".

The point I've been trying to get across is that both the Koran and the Bible are full of vitriol and hate and there are some Christians who are vicious small minded bigots and many MILLIONS of Muslims who are not fanatical suicide bombers. The text you follow is irrelevant because it's deeds that count.

While I admit my statement about paedophile priests was lacking in foresight, I still think you're missing the point where Christianity sees itself as magnanimous and caring while at the same time peddling almost identical bull****.

So respectfully, get a fucking clue.

Bloody Nipples · 23-01-2011 02:46AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Care to enlighten us?

It's a question of basic population size. And I classify "nutjob" as anyone with fundamentalist leanings.

Wolfe Tone · 23-01-2011 02:52AM

People use religion to legitimize them being dickheads.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 02:56AM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

You've just cherrypicked one noble aspect of Christianity.

What about the fact the Bible declares that false prophets should be killed, rape and pillage in the name of God at Jabesh-gilead, people who don't listen to priests should be killed, gays should be killed, curse your parents? Killed. Adultery? Killed. Follow another religion? Killed.

Yet at the same time you see Christianity as good and caring because Jesus died for us. How's about the fact that every Muslim is supposed to give a percentage of their wealth to the needy? Somehow that one got lost in translation to "death cult".

The point I've been trying to get across is that both the Koran and the Bible are full of vitriol and hate and there are some Christians who are vicious small minded bigots and many MILLIONS of Muslims who are not fanatical suicide bombers. The text you follow is irrelevant because it's deeds that count.

While I admit my statement about paedophile priests was lacking in foresight, I still think you're missing the point where Christianity sees itself as magnanimous and caring while at the same time peddling almost identical bull****.

So respectfully, get a fucking clue.

What Christian teaching says kill false prophets?
What Christian teachings says kill non-Christians?
What Christian teaching is violent?

NONE.
You are not educated in the thing you are claiming to be educated in.
It is that simple.

Christianity exists for the very reason that the Old Testament (the "law") is obsolete.

If you cannot be bothered to actually study the things you claim to habe a clue about, I couldn't be bothered to correct you further.

It would have about as much effect as trying to explain the reality of climate change to someone who says "climate change, what a load of ****e, sure the last two winters have been the coldest I remember".

The Bible is anything BUT full of hate, it is, from beginning to end, a story of God's love for man and his constant efforts to make a way for man to have a direct relationship with him.

In the first 5 chapters of the bible, the entire story of Christianity is played out in the names of Adam and his descendants.
Name (Meaning of name) of Adam and his descendants.
Adam (Man).
Seth (Appointed).
Enosh (Mortal).
Keana (Sorrow).
Mahalalel (The Blessed God).
Jared (Shall come down).
Enoch (Teaching).
Methuselah (Death, to bring).
Lamech (Despairing).
Noah (Comfort).

Man appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching (his) death (shall) bring (the) despairing comfort.

All in in the first 5 chapters of the bible.

That is Christianity.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 02:59AM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

It's a question of basic population size. And I classify "nutjob" as anyone with fundamentalist leanings.

And what are the "fundamentals" of Christianity then?

OED definition of the word.
fundamental /fʌndəˈmɛnt(ə)l/
▶adjective
of or serving as a foundation or core; of central importance.
▶noun
a central or primary rule or principle.

Because I can tell you right now, you haven't a damned leg to stand on.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 03:01AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

People use religion to legitimize them being dickheads.

They could just as easily use something else, as they have done, all across the world, since time began.

Bloody Nipples · 23-01-2011 03:03AM

Seaneh wrote: »

What Christian teaching says kill false prophets?
What Christian teachings says kill non-Christians?
What Christian teaching is violent?

NONE.
You are not educated in the thing you are claiming to be educated in.
It is that simple.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

And I'm not a climate change denier.

Bloody Nipples · 23-01-2011 03:09AM

I'd also like to point out that nowhere have I said that modern day Christians abide by these rules but they still are the basis for prejudice against gays etc. in modern Christianity as a result of their inclusion in the most basic Christian text.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 03:23AM

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

I'd also like to point out that nowhere have I said that modern day Christians abide by these rules but they still are the basis for prejudice against gays etc. in modern Christianity as a result of their inclusion in the most basic Christian text.

No Christian has ever had any right to use those scriptures as a basis for prejudice.
They have no place in Christianity other than as a history of how human relationship with God was before our salvation.
This is a misrepresentation of Christian teachings, not the actual teachings of Christianity.

A basic understanding of Christian teachings would prove them false.

"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

The entire point of Christianity is that the law of the old testament is obsolete, we (Christians) have no business or right to attempt to live by it or force it on others, Christ and his disciples implicitly state that throughout the new testament.

Anyone who claims to be a christian and teaches that you should hate anyone, is not a christian.

That applies to Fred Phelps and that Ugandan idiot who spouts on about "eatin' da poopoo".

Their teachings have NOTHING to do with Christianity.
No Christian lives by old testament law and if the claim to, they are wrong.

Millicent · 23-01-2011 03:32AM

And the OP's troll job works and we have yet another argument on which religion is the bestest. Can we not just all concede that there's bad shit in every walk and creed of life but that it doesn't represent the majority?

Wolfe Tone · 23-01-2011 03:34AM

Millicent wrote: »

And the OP's troll job works and we have yet another argument on which religion is the bestest. Can we not just all concede that there's bad shit in every walk and creed of life but that it doesn't represent the majority?

The Jedi are a lovely bunch in fairness, all raving away with their glowsticks.

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 03:35AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The Jedi are a lovely bunch in fairness, all raving away with their glowsticks.

You need to change your sig btw... :P

Wolfe Tone · 23-01-2011 03:37AM

Seaneh wrote: »

You need to change your sig btw... :P

So I do! Il have to find a new one....

Bloody Nipples · 23-01-2011 03:37AM

Seaneh wrote: »

No Christian has ever had any right to use those scriptures as a basis for prejudice.
They have no place in Christianity other than as a history of how human relationship with God was before our salvation.
This is a misrepresentation of Christian teachings, not the actual teachings of Christianity.

A basic understanding of Christian teachings would prove them false.

"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

The entire point of Christianity is that the law of the old testament is obsolete, we (Christians) have no business or right to attempt to live by it or force it on others, Christ and his disciples implicitly state that throughout the new testament.

Anyone who claims to be a christian and teaches that you should hate anyone, is not a christian.

That applies to Fred Phelps and that Ugandan idiot who spouts on about "eatin' da poopoo".

Their teachings have NOTHING to do with Christianity.
No Christian lives by old testament law and if the claim to, they are wrong.

It all comes down to each sect having their own interpretation of the bible, so I fail to see what gives you the authority to tell them they're not Christians. At the end of the day it's the same book that Fred Phelps uses to justify himself that other sects use to preach peace and love.

Bloody Nipples · 23-01-2011 03:39AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The Jedi are a lovely bunch in fairness, all raving away with their glowsticks.

The Sith have been utterly villified and are no worse than the Jedi!! Look at Anakin in Episode II he's a total cunt then too!

pebbles21 · 23-01-2011 03:41AM

sam34 wrote: »

whats a hindu?

lay eggs

Whats a hebrew?

A male tea bag!

Millicent · 23-01-2011 03:43AM

Seaneh wrote: »

You need to change your sig btw... :P

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So I do! Il have to find a new one....

Feck me, you finally went and did it! Can I suggest a new sig with raving Jedis then?

Wolfe Tone · 23-01-2011 03:44AM

Millicent wrote: »

Feck me, you finally went and did it! Can I suggest a new sig with raving Jedis then?

Yeah I finally did! About damn time too!

Go ahead!

Seaneh · 23-01-2011 04:08AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Yeah I finally did! About damn time too!

Go ahead!

I meant the link, not the picture, but same applies I guess!

MagicMarker · 23-01-2011 10:44AM

Seaneh wrote: »

I would state, wholly, that Christianity, the actual teachings of Christianity, are the most loving and peaceful of any religion.

''Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.''.

''If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.''

I see what you mean!

Actress Brother Sentenced in Her Honor Beating

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