Mate - 1000th day on the dole

nickobrien1985 · 22-01-2011 08:43PM #1

A friend of mine - Kevin is celebrating his 1000th day on the dole today, he's been 2.5yrs+ out of work.
In that time he has lived at home, (he's 28), and has applied for in total about 10jobs.
He has even admitted that if the dole were lower he might actually work harder to find a job.
He was never bother to go into training either.

Do we have a massive problem with our social welfare system if this is the case?

How bout the govt. offer €500 to someone who finds a job after being on the dole for less than 6mths?

Does my mate have any hope in building a future career at all?

mikemac · 22-01-2011 08:45PM

This is the third place you started this thread

How many opinions are you looking for?

nickobrien1985 · 22-01-2011 08:45PM

people keep on telling me to move the thread, so I did.

Iron Hide · 22-01-2011 08:47PM

10 jobs in 2 1/2 years is hardly notable OP, when i was out of work i had applied for 10 jobs in nearer enough 2 1/2 weeks!

tommyhaas · 22-01-2011 08:48PM

I believe the dole for the long term unemployed should be half of the take home pay for a worker on minimum wage

The way things are at present, there is very little point in working in a mundane job at minimum wage when you are only going to earn slightly more then what you would get on the dole

Nolanger · 22-01-2011 08:48PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

people keep on telling me to move the thread, so I did.

If you started this thread in After Hours I wouldn't have got banned for replying.

mikemac · 22-01-2011 08:49PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

people keep on telling me to move the thread, so I did.

Fair enough, my post seems nasty, was just asking

Dudess · 22-01-2011 08:52PM

Iron Hide wrote: »

10 jobs in 2 1/2 years is hardly notable OP, when i was out of work i had applied for 10 jobs in nearer enough 2 1/2 weeks!

Think that's the point the OP is also making...
OP, is "Kevin" perhaps a fabrication used to hide behind in order to start a social welfare claimants-bashing thread? I'd be happy to assume that those who don't bother their arse working are in a very small minority, and the vast majority would rather work - going by what I've personally observed anyway. I also wouldn't be surprised if many of those who initially claim the dole because they couldn't be bothered getting a job eventually get sick of being bored and then start to look for work.
Dole is relatively high in this country, but then, so is the cost of living.

bonerm · 22-01-2011 08:53PM

Kevin should get a cake to celebrate.

nickobrien1985 · 22-01-2011 08:55PM

no. Sadly me mate Kev actually exists. You can message me and I can give you his contact details to clarify. You can even check out his Facebook page.

We're having a celebration for him tonight.

One mate has designed a 'Diploma of Unemployability' for him. Really funny.
I'm giving a speech

mikemac · 22-01-2011 08:55PM

*bleeding heart post but don't dismiss me

Maybe the lad is depressed and since he lives at home is stuck in a rut.
I've spend time unemployed, puts your confidence through the floor.

And it takes confidence and a bit of initiative to start job hunting. Everyone who ever applied for a job gets multiple rejections, it's not easy

nickobrien1985 · 22-01-2011 08:57PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

*bleeding heart post but don't dismiss me

Maybe the lad is depressed and since he lives at home is stuck in a rut.
I've spend time unemployed, puts your confidence through the floor.

And it takes confidence and a bit of initiative to start job hunting

He's genuinely not depressed.
He kind of waiting around for the 'right' job, he's not arsed doing menial work

tallaghtmick · 22-01-2011 08:58PM

sounds like my best mate hes the same has a easy life no debts or anything.

LighterGuy · 22-01-2011 08:59PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

How bout the govt. offer €500 to someone who finds a job after being on the dole for less than 6mths?

I like your thinking of incentives. But you know yourself that anyone such as your mate would be thinking "ah sure that 500 euro is only 2 and a half weeks dole money"

nickobrien1985 · 22-01-2011 09:02PM

LighterGuy wrote: »

I like your thinking of incentives. But you know yourself that anyone such as your mate would be thinking "ah sure that 500 euro is only 2 and a half weeks dole money"

True.
€1000.

The Tories in the UK came up with a good new plan of giving £1,000 to those unemployed over 6months to start a new business. The scheme also provides a business mentor to provide advice.

Obviously plenty of checks and balances would need to be put in place

Iron Hide · 22-01-2011 09:03PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

no. Sadly me mate Kev actually exists. You can message me and I can give you his contact details to clarify. You can even check out his Facebook page.

We're having a celebration for him tonight.

One mate has designed a 'Diploma of Unemployability' for him. Really funny.
I'm giving a speech

Ok let me get this straight, your actually celebrating a friend of yours drawing the dole for 1000 days?
To quote your original post, " If the dole was lower he might work harder to find a job?"
Ever hear of a bit of honour in working?
He's living at home, probably no bills/rent/mortgage etc to pay. So essentially his dole money is all disposable income.

And you say he wasnt bothered to retrain? The man is 28, not 58. He could retrain and be employable by the time he's 30, 31.

He has no hope of building a future career because he can't be arsed trying.

stovelid · 22-01-2011 09:04PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

A friend of mine - Kevin is celebrating his 1000th day on the dole today, he's been 2.5yrs+ out of work.

It's a disgrace that my taxes are paying for his fur-lined sheepskin jacket. My ma said those things cost a fucking packet. :mad:

AckwelFoley · 22-01-2011 09:06PM

"Calling facekicker to reception, facekicker to reception please"

LighterGuy · 22-01-2011 09:08PM

Never knew they were doing that in the UK. Interesting ...

However you're right. Its all about checks and balances. But I think a true incentive scheme could never be created for such people who become accustomed to being on the dole. Such schemes would only be used by people who want to get off it.

Oh and for the record Im on the dole myself :P

KeithAFC · 22-01-2011 09:09PM

Why are you telling us about your 'mate' kevins personal life on here in regards to the dole? Who the fk cares?

goose2005 · 22-01-2011 09:10PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

He's genuinely not depressed.
He kind of waiting around for the 'right' job, he's not arsed doing menial work

He wouldn't get it anyway. There are 400,000 people unemployed. Even if 95% of them wanted to drink cider and watch TV all day, there still wouldn't be enough work to employ the other 5%. So the whole debate is pointless.

bonerm · 22-01-2011 09:11PM

stovelid wrote: »

It's a disgrace that my taxes are paying for his fur-lined sheepskin jacket. My ma said those things cost a fucking packet. :mad:

Not to mention a fella with four degrees should be able to get a job somewhere! :mad:

Dudess · 22-01-2011 09:19PM

stovelid wrote: »

It's a disgrace that my taxes are paying for his fur-lined sheepskin jacket. My ma said those things cost a fucking packet. :mad:

bonerm wrote: »

Not to mention a fella with four degrees should be able to get a job somewhere! :mad:

Little waster - spending his days playing Subbuteo and arsing around on his synthesiser... :mad:

MrMatisse · 22-01-2011 09:21PM

Your names not perry is it?

Badgermonkey · 22-01-2011 09:23PM

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

no. Sadly me mate Kev actually exists. You can message me and I can give you his contact details to clarify.

Yes, no doubt Kev will appreciate that.

Cavehill Red · 22-01-2011 09:25PM

OP, clearly you resent Kevin receiving benefits. So why are you attending a party to celebrate it?
Does Kevin know about this party? Or his diplomas? Or is it intended as a surprise humiliation for him?
And one other thing? Why are you still online? Don't you have a party to attend? Or were you making that up, and 'Kevin' too?

Turtyturd · 22-01-2011 09:29PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

sounds like my best mate hes the same has a easy life no debts or anything.

F*cking cheek of him not getting into debt.

How dare he.

Brenireland · 22-01-2011 09:30PM

haha good man Kevin,with FF probably going out of gov I reckon with the help of FG & Lab you'll be on it for another 1000 days.

Ammsy500 · 22-01-2011 09:30PM

goose2005 wrote: »

He wouldn't get it anyway. There are 400,000 people unemployed. Even if 95% of them wanted to drink cider and watch TV all day, there still wouldn't be enough work to employ the other 5%. So the whole debate is pointless.

Exactly.

Yeah OP your friend sounds like an absolute waster and seems to be enjoy being on the dole and out out of work but seriously some of the people coming out with the whole "this is what im paying my taxes for bla bla" need to shut up. You do realise most of the people on the dole (like myself)at the moment do not want to be on it and most likely have never been on it before. We have a population of 4.5 million and 400,000 of those people are unemployed that is a problem of lack of jobs and not of laziness. I dont know how many jobs I have applied for that I am over qualified and more than capable to do but yet all I get is rejection. I am now furthering my education while still applying for jobs and for me this is the best way to wait out this recession hoping some day soon it will get better. So congrats to those who still have jobs but seriously dont put everyone who is unemployed in the same bracket.

Wompa1 · 22-01-2011 09:31PM

I just got my first pay slip for the year due to being paid monthly...I could have wept!

USC.....so angry...

nickobrien1985 · 22-01-2011 09:33PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

OP, clearly you resent Kevin receiving benefits. So why are you attending a party to celebrate it?
Does Kevin know about this party? Or his diplomas? Or is it intended as a surprise humiliation for him?
And one other thing? Why are you still online? Don't you have a party to attend? Or were you making that up, and 'Kevin' too?

Kev is coming over to my gaff at 9:30pm

Mate - 1000th day on the dole

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