Aerlingus Cabin Crew want the best of both worlds

SIX PACK · 20-01-2011 01:09PM #1

I was meant to fly with AerLingus today but flight is cancelled, Why the hell cant the Airline operate & replace the crew with emergency staff so the customers can get to & from their destination, Im so angry Knew i should of flew Ryanair

outandabout · 20-01-2011 02:06PM

I know someone who works in the company (not cabin crew) who says the company are reneging on a deal already agreed.

There's fault on both sides here but unfortunately there's nobody who seems able to sort it out.

It would be good if we had a Taoiseach or government to resolve this mess, but unfortunately that's too much to ask for.

jdivision · 20-01-2011 05:05PM

The airline has hired in some replacement planes just not enough

SIX PACK · 20-01-2011 05:12PM

Does anyone know if the Pilots are on Strike ? Also how come we never hear of Ryanair staff going on Strike

jdivision · 20-01-2011 06:19PM

Because they're not unionised and are incentivised to meet certain goals. Less than 70 staff are causing all the disruption at AL

FlutterinBantam · 20-01-2011 08:25PM

outandabout wrote: »

I know someone who works in the company (not cabin crew) who says the company are reneging on a deal already agreed.

There's fault on both sides here but unfortunately there's nobody who seems able to sort it out.

It would be good if we had a Taoiseach or government to resolve this mess, but unfortunately that's too much to ask for.

You shouldn't need the Prime Minister of a country to sort this stuff out.

That's what happened in the past and one of the reasons EI is in the mess it is.

twowheelsonly · 20-01-2011 08:37PM

There's two sides to every coin but my tuppence worth...

I was speaking to a guy last night- his Mrs was one of four suspended on monday or tuesday for refusing to 'Act-Up' as a Cabin Manager in the absence of anybody of that grade being available for a transatlantic flight. She is a senior cabin crew member but is not trained as a Cabin Manager. (AFAIK Cabin Managers are the only cabin staff trained in the use of defibrillators amongst other things). As 4 of them refused to do it they were all suspended on the spot.
What's the problem????
Aer Lingus had already cancelled that flight and had brought in a Monarch Airline plane and crew to manage it. IMO they were putting the gun to their heads over a non existent situation in that instance.
Also heard of a couple of staff being suspended for taking a meal break during an 11 hr shift.

daithi2011 · 20-01-2011 08:45PM

I heard a few stories from some a couple of the staff too. They are being bullied.

Are these staff on their own against the company?
How come the union isnt getting all the other members to support them. Isnt that the point of a union.

FlutterinBantam · 21-01-2011 09:42AM

daithi2011 wrote: »

I heard a few stories from some a couple of the staff too. They are being bullied.

Are these staff on their own against the company?
How come the union isnt getting all the other members to support them. Isnt that the point of a union.

:rolleyes:

They are hardly going to say they are in the wrong are they?

Strikes me a strange that the country is in an unemployment crisis and the only unrest of any consequence is Aer Lingus. As has been the case for the last decade.

Company are dead right to say enough of the endless talks and negotiations.

Do the job or get the fcuk out and let others do it.

There would be plenty of takers.

Joey the lips · 21-01-2011 09:49AM

I love the work class attitude that exists in this country.

f@ck your strike if i cannot get to where i want

It explains why

We have unions with no power.

People on crap wages.

a goverment who plays golf with manageing directors rather than look after us

Ryanair are very unethical in this dispute imo. They have given aer lingus plays at below market rate and these are most likely staffed by people who are more delighted they are in a plane than in there own country.

I just wish for once we could all sit down and look at these situtations and realise that while is making our travel plans difficult

It has the real effect of totally screwing up our kids chances of decent employment as it will become the standard in jobs.

But not to worry you can get where your going so screw everyone else i imagine.

oh well

OutlawPete · 21-01-2011 09:58AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

I love the work class attitude that exists in this country.

f@ck your strike if i cannot get to where i want

It explains why

We have unions with no power.

People on crap wages.

a goverment who plays golf with manageing directors rather than look after us

Ryanair are very unethical in this dispute imo. They have given aer lingus plays at below market rate and these are most likely staffed by people who are more delighted they are in a plane than in there own country.

I just wish for once we could all sit down and look at these situtations and realise that while is making our travel plans difficult

It has the real effect of totally screwing up our kids chances of decent employment as it will become the standard in jobs.

But not to worry you can get where your going so screw everyone else i imagine.

oh well

Well said.

This country has become a nation of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

FreudianSlippers · 21-01-2011 10:08AM

EI cabin crew are being spoilt brats. The arbitration has concluded and an agreement was reached.
The working terms and conditions are very fair and in line with industry standards.

Now the unions (the biggest hypocritical bullies in this country - and up there with bankers and developers for the troubles) are attempting to rely on a loophole in the wording for implementation of the decision in the arbitration to get their own way.

This is one of the main reasons why I'm dreading a large Labour presence in any new government. This type of bullyboy tactics is wrong.

MarkR · 21-01-2011 10:08AM

I don't see how this can be the cause of a seemingly corrupt government.

A lot of this seems to be about a sense of entitlement that the unions seem to have. The staff are on the tv saying that all they want to do is work, and what can they do? They can work, that's what they can do.

If I'm in work, and am asked to do something, and I can do it, I will. Next week I'll be travelling all over the country. I can guarantee I'll be home late for a couple of those days. Not going to tell the boss I won't go because I won't be home at my normal time. I'll do the job because my contract does mention reasonable flexibility in my work time arrangements.

I doubt that the staff were sacked for going to dinner. I would guess ( and I may well be wrong) that they wanted it at a particular time or place. Or with a certain desert.

If you have a job, you should do it to the best of your ability.

I think it is bad form on Aer Lingus to be forcing the issue as they seem to be, and they should certainly have a back up for any flights they suspect will not be able to fly.

Ryanair are probably delighted with this. Surely shares in Aer Lingus will be affected by this. Only a matter of time before we have another take over bid. Then if that does go through, the pay and conditions will be way worse for the Aer Lingus staff.

syklops · 21-01-2011 10:24AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

I love the work class attitude that exists in this country.

f@ck your strike if i cannot get to where i want

It explains why

We have unions with no power.

People on crap wages.

a goverment who plays golf with manageing directors rather than look after us

Ryanair are very unethical in this dispute imo. They have given aer lingus plays at below market rate and these are most likely staffed by people who are more delighted they are in a plane than in there own country.

I just wish for once we could all sit down and look at these situtations and realise that while is making our travel plans difficult

It has the real effect of totally screwing up our kids chances of decent employment as it will become the standard in jobs.

But not to worry you can get where your going so screw everyone else i imagine.

oh well

Utter rubbish.

Since when do our unions have no power? Flights are being cancelled across Europe because 4 cabin crew members had a tantrum. Sounds pretty powerful to me.

Crap wages? Who is on crap wages? AL cabin crew? I think you will find they are on pretty decent wages, in fairly secure jobs, with a decent pension, all negotiated by their 'powerless' union.

I don't understand your Ryanair comments can you explain further?

FlutterinBantam · 21-01-2011 10:25AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

I love the work class attitude that exists in this country.

f@ck your strike if i cannot get to where i want

It explains why

We have unions with no power.

People on crap wages.

a goverment who plays golf with manageing directors rather than look after us

Ryanair are very unethical in this dispute imo. They have given aer lingus plays at below market rate and these are most likely staffed by people who are more delighted they are in a plane than in there own country.

I just wish for once we could all sit down and look at these situtations and realise that while is making our travel plans difficult

It has the real effect of totally screwing up our kids chances of decent employment as it will become the standard in jobs.

But not to worry you can get where your going so screw everyone else i imagine.

oh well

Load of socialist codswallop.

Best way to ensure our kids have decent employment is to get off our arses and work to earn revenue.

Not hide behind a group of misguided idiots who think the world owes us a living.

bonerm · 21-01-2011 10:51AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

This country has become a nation of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

That's a Wilde accusation.

sellerbarry · 21-01-2011 10:52AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Load of socialist codswallop.

Best way to ensure our kids have decent employment is to get off our arses and work to earn revenue.

Not hide behind a group of misguided idiots who think the world owes us a living.

Couldn't have said it better myself........................;)

amiable · 21-01-2011 11:01AM

IMHO unions can be very dangerous as i've seen more than one company effectively closed because of the unions reluctance to compromise any bit. Everybody lost out in the end except the actual union as they still had their cushy jobs

eoinbn · 21-01-2011 11:02AM

Unions and AerLingus agree the Greenfield deal. As part of that the staff agree to fly 850 hours a year. Company draws up new rosters that have staff flying 850 and some of the cabin crew strike as they claim they haven't voted on it.

Missed anything?

phill106 · 21-01-2011 11:06AM

Heard on some form of radio show last night that unions were lodging numerous claims of sexual discrimination due to roster changes impacting on family life. Calling it sexual discrimation is the lowest of the low if that is the case, what has it got to do with that? Do the roster changes not affect the male stewards?

outandabout · 21-01-2011 11:10AM

The sexual discrimination claim seems like a stunt to me. Why wasn't it raised as an issue when the rosters were originally being drawn up?

u140acro3xs7dm · 21-01-2011 11:19AM

phill106 wrote: »

Heard on some form of radio show last night that unions were lodging numerous claims of sexual discrimination due to roster changes impacting on family life. Calling it sexual discrimation is the lowest of the low if that is the case, what has it got to do with that? Do the roster changes not affect the male stewards?

So is this because the wimmins have to do more hours than men? or do they want to do less hours than the men?

If they want to do less hours than men surely that is sexual discrimination towards men.

They should be doing the same hours otherwise it could be sexual discrimination one way or another.

Joey the lips · 21-01-2011 11:25AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Load of socialist codswallop.

Best way to ensure our kids have decent employment is to get off our arses and work to earn revenue.

Not hide behind a group of misguided idiots who think the world owes us a living.

Interesting.... That will explain the difference in wages between terminal 1 and 2 in the airport i imagine...... Not

The fact of the matter is we are being screwed because we are not standing up for our rights...

Although you tar it with socialist nonsense...I see it as capitalist reality...

God help your kids....granted they prob will be in canada.

phill106 · 21-01-2011 11:25AM

Felix Many Drizzle wrote: »

So is this because the wimmins have to do more hours than men? or do they want to do less hours than the men?

If they want to do less hours than men surely that is sexual discrimination towards men.

They should be doing the same hours otherwise it could be sexual discrimination one way or another.

My point exactly, unless the rule specifically says, OI! WOMEN! YOU DO THIS!
Lads? Ah sure your grand, keep on as you were, it is blatant discrimination claiming that woman have more rights.

u140acro3xs7dm · 21-01-2011 11:36AM

phill106 wrote: »

My point exactly, unless the rule specifically says, OI! WOMEN! YOU DO THIS!
Lads? Ah sure your grand, keep on as you were, it is blatant discrimination claiming that woman have more rights.

its only an hour a week too, 12 mins a day if they do a 5 day week, how can this effect family life so bad

jimmmy · 21-01-2011 11:39AM

The Aer Lingus cabin crew should be glad to have a job. I would give my right arm to have the half the salary, security, travel opportunities, perks, and pension they do. Wish they would wake up as they are doing great damage to the image of the country as a place to do business in.

OutlawPete · 21-01-2011 11:41AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Load of socialist codswallop.

Best way to ensure our kids have decent employment is to get off our arses and work to earn revenue.

Not hide behind a group of misguided idiots who think the world owes us a living.

Quite a sweeping statement and if all unions did was act like the world owed them a living, their members would not tolerate it.

Why would they? For one - it would get them nowhere in the longrun.

Also, someone doesn't have to be a socialist to see the value in unions. It has become fashionable to deride them in this day an age, for whatever reason I don't know. You seem to be blind to how destructive capitalism would be without them.

I'm not saying that they can be whiter than snow and are always acting from a position of genuine grievance, but without them this country would go to shit if it hasn't already that is.

Unions are (or should be) just there to balance the power that management has over them. The potential for abuse of that power is massive the moral rights of workers need a voice and unions have to be it.

You simply cannot have a fair and democratic capitalist society without them.

cornbb · 21-01-2011 11:44AM

Seems to me that the unions are acting up for the sake of acting up. They tend to assert justification for their existence by creating illusionary issues. There was a time when unions were vital to protecting workers' rights, these days they spend so much time crying wolf that they'll get zero public sympathy next time there is actually a valid abuse of worker's rights.

Management in companies like AL need to rid themselves of this culture. The staff need to come to terms with the fact that if they want their employer to survive, they need to go the extra mile. The company should incentivise them to do so: If they get rid of this culture, and if the company thrives because of it, then they should share in the rewards (bonuses, stock options, overtime etc).

saywhatyousee · 21-01-2011 11:48AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Quite a sweeping statement and if all unions did was act like the world owed them a living, their members would not tolerate it.

Why would they? For one - it would get them nowhere in the longrun.

Also, someone doesn't have to be a socialist to see the value in unions. It has become fashionable to deride them in this day an age, for whatever reason I don't know. You seem to be blind to how destructive capitalism would be without them.

I'm not saying that they can be whiter than snow and are always acting from a position of genuine grievance, but without them this country would go to shit if it hasn't already that is.

Unions are (or should be) just there to balance the power that management has over them. The potential for abusive of that power is massive the moral rights of workers need a voice and unions have to be it.

You simply cannot have a fair and democratic capitalist society without them.

great post seems since the recession started people are not allowed complain anymore.if you complain you will get the same statements over and over
"head in the sand"
"sense of entitlement"
and all the other bull crap that is sprouted around here

sellerbarry · 21-01-2011 11:48AM

Cabin crew will probably end up with half an hour off to change their cheques on Fridays.;)

Orando Broom · 21-01-2011 11:48AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

I love the work class attitude that exists in this country.

f@ck your strike if i cannot get to where i want

It explains why

We have unions with no power.

People on crap wages.

a goverment who plays golf with manageing directors rather than look after us

Ryanair are very unethical in this dispute imo. They have given aer lingus plays at below market rate and these are most likely staffed by people who are more delighted they are in a plane than in there own country.

I just wish for once we could all sit down and look at these situtations and realise that while is making our travel plans difficult

It has the real effect of totally screwing up our kids chances of decent employment as it will become the standard in jobs.

But not to worry you can get where your going so screw everyone else i imagine.

oh well

The Unions in this country were only too happy to jump into bed with the government and IBEC and any other group that was going for a slice of the Celtic Tiger pie. It's time to smash the unions in Ireland. They've ruined this country and made the workforce uncompetitive.

the unions heads know their way round the back nine of Druids Glen too may I remind you. These guys were getting six figure salaries for being Fianna Fail's lapdogs.

There are no Ceasar Chavezs in Ireland let me tell you.

**** the Unions and **** their agendas.

Aerlingus Cabin Crew want the best of both worlds

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