Synthetic Diamonds

Lumen · 20-01-2011 05:02PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

google shows they sell at 30-50% lower and as for thoe coloured ones, saw one for 23 grand and the synthetic was 7

Excluding coloured ones, because that's just turning a bug into a feature.

Most of the opinions on this thread are based on the "fact" that it's possible to make a diamond that looks natural (or better) for less money.

Where can I buy a synthetic, colourless, round cut diamond of (say) 1 carat, and for how much?

Honestly, I'd like to know.

edit: apparently the answer is diamond-coated cubic zirconia. Cool.

Recon · 20-01-2011 05:03PM

Or just watch Blood Diamond and she mightn't even want a real diamond then

Tar.Aldarion · 20-01-2011 05:17PM

Lumen wrote: »

Excluding coloured ones, because that's just turning a bug into a feature.

Most of the opinions on this thread are based on the "fact" that it's possible to make a diamond that looks natural (or better) for less money.

Where can I buy a synthetic, colourless, round cut diamond of (say) 1 carat, and for how much?

Honestly, I'd like to know.

edit: apparently the answer is diamond-coated cubic zirconia. Cool.

This is the only one I know of off hand, though they sell it as a finished product
http://www.apollodiamond.com/

20-01-2011 05:22PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

They are rare though and will always be,

Not really

Tar.Aldarion · 20-01-2011 05:25PM

they are not rare, supply exceeds demand

diamonds are stockpiled and sold in small amounts to keep prices up arent' they

there is a diamond star discovered not too far off that is 10 billion trillion trillion carats heh

wes · 20-01-2011 05:26PM

Also, if they run out, they can make more

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strobe · 20-01-2011 06:08PM

wes wrote: »

Its one of those things I have never understood. We can't make Gold, so I get why thats valuable to a certain degree, but we can make diamonds, so the whole rarity things goes out the Window right away.

Well we can. It's just in no way cost effective. Point still stands though.

Lumen · 20-01-2011 06:17PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

This is the only one I know of off hand, though they sell it as a finished product
http://www.apollodiamond.com/

Cool, more specifically...

https://www.shopapollo.com/orderonline_6.html

About $1000. With natural diamonds of similar spec might cost $1600.

They don't list anything over about 1/3 ct.

partyatmygaff · 20-01-2011 06:17PM

strobe wrote: »

Well we can. It's just in no way cost effective. Point still stands though.

The base metal for that process is Mercury isn't it? I may be wrong...

RichieC · 20-01-2011 06:20PM

A Cartel controls diamond value, their rareness is artificial.

you're being taken for a ride.

Wibbs · 20-01-2011 06:22PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Not really

Exactly. Diamonds overall are actually quite common as a gemstone. http://www.diamondcuttersintl.com/myths-about-diamonds-1/ read number 2 myth. It puts their "rarity" in proportion. For the moby users "There are really enough diamonds to give each man, woman and child in the United States a whole cupful.".

A large coloured stone with few imperfections is rare, yet deBeers tells us colourless is the way to go. Of course as its the more common. Find a red diamond and name your price. The vast majority sold are half and one carat glassy yokes that as far as nature is concerned are two a penny. The world production of gem quality annually is 12 tonnes. That's 12 tonnes of the yokes a year. They're about as rare as farts in a vegan household.

partyatmygaff · 20-01-2011 06:30PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Exactly. Diamonds overall are actually quite common as a gemstone. http://www.diamondcuttersintl.com/myths-about-diamonds-1/ read number 2 myth. It puts their "rarity" in proportion. For the moby users "There are really enough diamonds to give each man, woman and child in the United States a whole cupful.".

A large coloured stone with few imperfections is rare, yet deBeers tells us colourless is the way to go. Of course as its the more common. Find a red diamond and name your price. The vast majority sold are half and one carat glassy yokes that as far as nature is concerned are two a penny. The world production of gem quality annually is 12 tonnes. That's 12 tonnes of the yokes a year. They're about as rare as farts in a vegan household.

12 tonnes isn't a whole lot for worldwide production. Almost 2600 tonnes of Gold is mined per year in comparison.

Tar.Aldarion · 20-01-2011 06:46PM

Lumen wrote: »

Cool, more specifically...

https://www.shopapollo.com/orderonline_6.html

About $1000. With natural diamonds of similar spec might cost $1600.

They don't list anything over about 1/3 ct.

oh there is some gemisis or something similar as well. Wonder how many places make them and how artificially high the prices are

Wibbs · 20-01-2011 06:51PM

Yea true, but you're not paying a 500 quid for a carat of gold either.

Tar.Aldarion · 20-01-2011 06:52PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yea true, but you're not paying a 500 quid for a carat of gold either.

Much more than 500 isnt it! But anyway yeah, also although pretty I can't fathom why people want them so much. As the DeBeers man said, intrinsically thy have no value, they only fill a psychological void.

Wibbs · 20-01-2011 06:57PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

As the DeBeers man said, intrinsically thy have no value, they only fill a psychological void.

yep as created by the same debeers man.

Joey the lips · 20-01-2011 09:15PM

Well now. I am truly facenated... Never really thought about it till now...but truly facenated..

starlit · 20-01-2011 09:36PM

There is such a thing as tarnishing so thats why people would rather buy good quality rings/good quality diamonds for that reason to avoid tarnishing and the likes. Is it not a nice thing for something to last for eternity?

20-01-2011 09:38PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

There is such a thing as tarnishing so thats why people would rather buy good quality rings/good quality diamonds for that reason to avoid tarnishing and the likes. Is it not a nice thing for something to last for eternity?

That's why you should buy synthetic, better quality

Cookie_Monster · 20-01-2011 10:01PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Inspired by the engagement ring thread.

Synthetic diamonds are better ( fewer flaws) than natural diamonds as far as I'm aware and are also cheaper yet people still don't by them.

If I ever want to buy diamonds I will buy synthetic ones.

So what's up with all the people buying natural diamonds, are they a bit slow?

My girlfriend makes them

Synthetic diamonds are all but indistinguishable from real ones.
However they are not allowed be used in the jewellery business cos companies like De Beers enjoy their cartel too much. 90%+ of the world's supply of real diamonds are locked away (mostly in Holland) in order to keep the price artificially high, just cos women like shiny things.
One of the great all time scams.

Real and fake diamonds can also be coloured (or decoloured) to most colours using a variant of the manufacturing process. There is however a risk of totalling messing it up and turning the diamond an even worse shade of the colour if its not done perfectly.

RichieC · 20-01-2011 10:07PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

There is such a thing as tarnishing so thats why people would rather buy good quality rings/good quality diamonds for that reason to avoid tarnishing and the likes. Is it not a nice thing for something to last for eternity?

If they were a good investment, yes, but diamonds are not a good investment, at all.

My name is URL · 20-01-2011 10:11PM

To hell with diamonds. Buy that bitch a neutron star.. bitches love neutron stars

TeddyTedson · 20-01-2011 10:17PM

FatherLen wrote: »

having a wank is easier and quicker than going out and finding someone who is willing to have sex with you but in no way is it better. the real thing always wins

LUL, I thought people would be giving you the thumbs up big time for this.

goose2005 · 20-01-2011 10:24PM

phill106 wrote: »

Do me a favour, if you are a man and about to propose, try out a synthetic diamond in a ring. Let me know how that works out for you!

If you're that afraid of her, maybe you shouldn't marry her?

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The base metal for that process is Mercury isn't it? I may be wrong...

Platinum.

ascanbe · 20-01-2011 10:35PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sierra-leone-diamond-miner-devastated-by-news-of-b,2918/

Lumen · 20-01-2011 10:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The world production of gem quality annually is 12 tonnes.

I make that about 2 milligrams per capita. Putting aside all the other reasonable points about cartels, and ignoring production scalability, that's not exactly a vast amount.

One carat is 200 milligrams. It would therefore take 50 years of production to give every woman on earth a one carat stone, even assuming the 12 tonnes was composed entirely of one carat stones.

"Diamonds are forever" kind of screws with the long term viability of the business model.

DeBeers will have to branch out into LOX.

Nevermind_ · 20-01-2011 10:43PM

Saw an interesting documentary on discovery about "super diamonds"

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/naked-science/3896/Overview

Basically if the methods to manufacture synthetic diamonds continue to develop at the pace scientists believe they will, diamonds will become used in the manufacture of thousands of everyday items.

The idea that your smartphone may actually be made of superdiamond is not beyond the realms of possibility.

Silicon chips automatically shut off when they are heated beyond a certain temperature. Super Diamonds, on the other hand, are not affected by heat. Computers will be able to operate more quickly and under more severe conditions. All mobile phones and hand-held devices will become faster, stronger, and cheaper because of this innovation.

http://www.prlog.org/10537242-scientists-create-super-diamonds.html

http://www.jamesallen.com/news/DiamondIndustry/super-diamonds-grown-in-days-february-18-2010.html

RichieC · 20-01-2011 10:43PM

Lumen wrote: »

I make that about 2 milligrams per capita. Putting aside all the other reasonable points about cartels, and ignoring production scalability, that's not exactly a vast amount.

One carat is 200 milligrams. It would therefore take 50 years of production to give every woman on earth a one carat stone, even assuming the 12 tonnes was composed entirely of one carat stones.

"Diamonds are forever" kind of screws with the long term viability of the business model.

DeBeers will have to branch out into LOX.

95% of the earths population cannot afford them, can barley feed themselves and their children, probably more.

Scarinae · 20-01-2011 11:25PM

My name is URL wrote: »

To hell with diamonds. Buy that bitch a neutron star.. bitches love neutron stars

Buy me one of these neutron stars and I'll be your bitch!

If I was given a synthetic diamond ring, I don't think I'd be bothered... I'd probably be more fascinated with how it was made, to be honest. Also less money on overpriced jewellery means more money for other things, like amazing holidays! Then again I'm not too pushed about the whole marriage thing in the first place

Wibbs · 21-01-2011 01:22AM

snuggles285 wrote: »

There is such a thing as tarnishing so thats why people would rather buy good quality rings/good quality diamonds for that reason to avoid tarnishing and the likes. Is it not a nice thing for something to last for eternity?

I'd put good money you have silver jewelry and that shít tarnishes if you look at it sideways(the good stuff does anyway). Of course the trend towards silver was also an industry led thing. Gold was too expensive so people bought a few pieces of quality stuff in their lives. Making silver more fash opened up the market. I don't mind high quality/content silver TBH. Can look good. White gold I really dont see the point though. Platinum at the mad money it is? Hell make it outa high grade stainless steel and be done with it. Same effect and more robust.

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