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Carrantuohill easiest/safest route

  • 09-04-2007 11:31am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭


    Im thinking of doing Carrantuohill during the week. my frien is thinking of bringing his brother (17 yrs old) which is the easiest way up and down.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭BeardyGit


    Are you all experienced hill walkers and navigators? Do you have good hiking boots and waterproofs? If you answer no to any of the above, I'd reconsider if I were you....

    If you know what you're doing, here's a good resource:

    http://www.kerrymountainrescue.ie/routes/index.html

    Make sure you leave a route card with your B&B/Hostel, and a copy in your car, visible from the outside - Tape it to the inside of the windscreen for example.

    DO NOT rely on a mobile phone, or a GPS working when you need it most - I'm not joking, and that's a considered piece of advice, instead of a recycled cliché. Many experienced walkers have died on Carrantuohill over the years....Don't take it lightly.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    if it gets foggy up the top and you cant make out where your going wait until it clears!!! There are many false trails up there - ones that could lead you to a nasty end!

    If it stays clear how about going up via the devils looking glass and up to the top and down via the devils ladder. If your all fit and healthy even our biggest mountain isnt too physically demanding.
    Oh and leave EARLY!! Dont get stuck up in the dark!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Dantes


    Take the Caher route as marked on the Kerry mountain rescue website above.

    Up there last month, the devils ladder is very badly eroded. You will also have a river crossing this way, which can be hazardous.

    Map and compass, and skills to read them essential for the summit and descent in any kind of fog / low vis.

    Bring some water and food (bananas, sandwiches, chocolate). Good gear, hiking boots and water proofs.

    Start early, 10AM is a nice time. The other tips as pointed out are well worth noting.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not very experienced on the subject(only climbed it once) but I'll try and help.I took the most popular route,the Devils Ladder.The river crossing isn't too dangerous if you cross it at the right place.Just wait until there are enough stepping stones.The Devils Ladder is a bit steep but not too bad if you follow the trail.From the top of the ladder there is a well defined trail to the summit.I did it in runners and I'd definitely recommend hiking boots.It gets very slippy in places.Make sure you pick a clear day and try and stick in a group on the way up.It's a nice climb,should only take you about 5 hours but definitely start early.The Caher route looks a bit more interesting though,if it's your first climb then definitely take the Caher route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Did it with some friends a few weeks back. Took the Devil's ladder route. Was a bit out of breath with some lactic acid in my legs and forearms when I got to the top, but other than that, it wasn't too bad :) Can be a bit slippy though. Once you get to the top of the Devil's ladder, getting to the summit is easy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Brian_Uckfast


    Went up it last weekend with a girl I'm mad about.

    Took about 2 hours to get up. We went some really random route that was pure dodgy and involved lots of unaided rock climbing.

    Wore a t-shirt and jeans. All we had with us was a spare top and a cheesecake.

    When we got to the top, we had sex.

    Best sex ever.

    We started at about 3 and were back down for half 7.


    HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    If there was an emoticon for slow hand clap, I'd use it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    as an antedote to the 'I did it in 2 hrs and had sex on the top with my super fit girl friend' Brigade (for whom i have nothing but respect :D you young people, where do you get the energy!)

    my self and the brother did it (The climb) a few years back did beenkearagh first then carrantuohill took us 8 hours 6 going up 2 going down. the soles of the brothers boots came off on the top of beenkearagh. he said he was ok then slipped down about 12 feet on the ridge connecting the 2 (I only found out later) we went on got to the top of carrantuohil dehydrated, got down via devils ladder brother found that loosing the soles of his shoes meant that the stones were hurting his feet leading to slow progress for him and as I was now very dehydrated even slower progress for me brother had run out and I gave him some of mine.
    we bascially fecked up but thankfully got away with it.

    so make sure everybody brings enough water for themselves and have spare stored in the car for when you get back. take your easy the group should go as fast as the slowest member.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,534 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Went up it last weekend with a girl I'm mad about....we had sex...We went some really random route that was pure dodgy...We started at about 3 and were back down for half 7.
    Fixed your post. I guess it all counts as outdoor pursuits.
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭mayhem#


    Went up over the Paddy's day weekend.
    Took the Caher route and can recommend it.
    Have heard too many warnings about the Devils ladder to even consider it..

    E.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 zayrah


    Hi, did the Devils Ladder last w/end - had the boots, the waterproofs, the water and the food and loads of rain!!! All I can say is never again - it is extremely badly eroded, and people using it is not making it any better. There was a river running down the middle which made it even more dangerous. As for people doing it without proper gear - just thank your lucky stars you got away with it - one slip and there's nothing you can do. Use the Caher route - might be a longer walk but ultimately safer and you won't be contributing to the erosion on the Ladder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I'm from Killarney and there is a route known as the zig zags that the locals use to the left of the devils ladder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Bligh


    I climbed it during the summer and then in good weather conditions I thought the devils ladder was dangerous, at this time of the year I would advise extreme caution on that route.

    Take care dude


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭BeardyGit


    I used the Devils Ladder last February - Downright dangerous, especially the last 10 metres as you reach the top.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    Do the Caher route, no dodgy areas just a small bit of vertigo!
    It's only half the horseshoe route - a there and back across the Caher.
    There are many slips and falls on the ladder - even in good weather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    Has anyone else noticed the wheelchair parking spaces in the car park?

    I mean if you need to get priority parking in the car park is there a paved path up the hill that has been hidden from me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭SomeFool


    I'm pretty sure that the new coffee shop/shower facility is obliged to provide them by law.


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭Ta me anseo


    Just interested to see the comment about taping your route card to the window of your car so it can be seen from the outside.

    What are others opinions on this? Everything I have read says that this was a good idea in the past but the sad reality is that these days all you are doing is giving little scumbag thieves an exact idea of just how long they have to work on your car.

    In my ignorance and inexperience, I don't see what having the route card visible in your car does for you? If someone has gone to find your car then presumably they already know your missing, so surely a route card in your B&B or with your neighbour or your mother or whatever is the best bet??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭BeardyGit


    Just interested to see the comment about taping your route card to the window of your car so it can be seen from the outside.

    What are others opinions on this? Everything I have read says that this was a good idea in the past but the sad reality is that these days all you are doing is giving little scumbag thieves an exact idea of just how long they have to work on your car.

    In my ignorance and inexperience, I don't see what having the route card visible in your car does for you? If someone has gone to find your car then presumably they already know your missing, so surely a route card in your B&B or with your neighbour or your mother or whatever is the best bet??

    Depends on where you're leaving your car to be honest. If I'm all the way down in Kerry, hundreds of miles away from home and anyone I'd be happy to leave with information on my whereabouts, I'll leave something visible in the car.

    If you take Cronins Yard for example, they'll likely put a call into the Kerry team if a car is still parked there an hour or so after dark that's been there most of the day. Leaving a route card in the car window, or even just a (carefully) estimated latest return time will potentially avoid a false alarm. In the same breath, it'll also leave a concerned passer by in a position to raise the alarm if you're still not back and it's hours later.....

    You're right to worry though I guess, even about false alarms for example. In my case, I put in a return time 1 hour or so later than my very latest estimate return time, along with my phone number and my walking partners phone number (different networks).

    It just depends on what's most important to you - Your cars safety or your safety in a sense. To be honest though, scum will break in anyway, whether or not you're still two hours walk away. An opportunistic thief will take the chance. Leave your excess gear at home, empty the glovebox and leave it open, leave the boot empty and the parcel shelf out, and make sure the car alarm is activated and I don't think there's much more you could do.

    I went for a night walk during the week last week, leaving my car parked at the entrance to a forestry path in Wicklow. I wouldn't have even contemplated doing this without leaving an ETR (estimated time of return) on a piece of paper with my phone number on the dashboard... It's only fair to those who'd otherwise understandably think someone's in trouble.

    Could be wrong, but that's always been my line of thinking on it anyway.

    Gil


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭Ta me anseo


    Gil_Dub wrote: »
    I went for a night walk during the week last week, leaving my car parked at the entrance to a forestry path in Wicklow. I wouldn't have even contemplated doing this without leaving an ETR (estimated time of return) on a piece of paper with my phone number on the dashboard... It's only fair to those who'd otherwise understandably think someone's in trouble.

    Could be wrong, but that's always been my line of thinking on it anyway.

    Gil

    Well it's hard to argue with that logic!

    Thanks Gil....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭johnnysmack


    im thinking of going up the caher ridge route. wheres best place to leave the car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Manuel


    Hi, I'd be interested to know this too, if anyone can advise. Also, can anyone recommend overnight accommodation nearby, somewhere comfortable but reasonable, and not far from a pub ;) ?
    Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Fozzydog3


    Manuel wrote: »
    Hi, I'd be interested to know this too, if anyone can advise. Also, can anyone recommend overnight accommodation nearby, somewhere comfortable but reasonable, and not far from a pub ;) ?
    Thanks.
    im probably too late but couchsurfing.com is your friend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Try the An Oige hostel in Aghadoe it's about 20 mins from Kilarney, two minutes walk to the pub. And the showers are amazing, it's like getting hit with a car wash spray, feels great after a day on the mountains.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 ahaskmearse


    Did the coomloughra horseshoe at the weekend and its something I would defo recommend to any experienced walkers.

    http://www.kerrymountainrescue.ie/routes/caher.html

    I stayed at the http://www.kerryway.net/kerry_way_accommodation/lough_acoose_house_bed_breakfast.php

    Just to let you know devils ladder is now closed due to how dangerous it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Takeshi_Kovacs


    Really, they have closed it..? To be honest not a bad idea since how bad it has become, and with the amount of people who go up every year that are not properly togged out for hiking/climbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    I am driving down at the moment should be ready to start at twelve. Does anyone know where to park for the caher route? I heard of parking/shop facilities but can't find them on GPS


  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭adagio


    Do not take the Devil's Ladder - it is an accident waiting to happen (only a matter of time).
    Take the Hydro Trail and then Caher.
    It amazes me that people go up there w/out basic navigation skills.... when you do you roll a dice and hope for the best.
    Enjoy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 rubyracer


    adagio wrote: »
    Do not take the Devil's Ladder - it is an accident waiting to happen (only a matter of time).
    Take the Hydro Trail and then Caher.
    It amazes me that people go up there w/out basic navigation skills.... when you do you roll a dice and hope for the best.
    Enjoy.
    I went up (13) with my 11 yr old brother, two 15 yr old cousins and 2 adults (one my dad). We started off with t-shirts and trainers. We went up the devil's ladder 5 minutes bfore the adults and were waiting 1 hour when we reached the summit. I dont see why people are making such a fuss it is pretty easy. As long as your not crazy - or if you are crazy but you are a good climber (like me and my cousins) you should be fine. Take care!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭duckysauce


    any pics ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭SomeFool


    Anyone been across this yet? Haven't gone through Hags glen in a while but it seems like a great initative. Hopefully a bit of work on the ladder will follow.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    SomeFool wrote: »
    Anyone been across this yet?

    Ha ha.

    Maria Farmer...


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    Very helpful.. Hiked through Hags Glen last March. Weather was pretty bad, very wet. Going to hike there again at the end of January so will definately try out the new bridge..


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    SomeFool wrote: »
    Anyone been across this yet? Haven't gone through Hags glen in a while but it seems like a great initative. Hopefully a bit of work on the ladder will follow.

    The laddar was so dangerous last March. Its a death trap. Very hard to keep your footing on it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭CrankyCod


    If you don't fancy the Devil's Ladder, use the Zig Zags; it used to be difficult to find the start but since a lot of people started using that route the path is fairly obvious.

    It comes out on Cnoc na Toinne, above the top of the ladder, so you gain some uneccessary height but its a nice walk down to the saddle. You can come back the same way obviously; there is a very small cairn marking the top of the Zig Zags, keep a sharp eye out for it on the return.

    There is a warning sign at the foot of the Ladder asking people to use the Zig Zag route instead, but it uses the old name for the route, Bothar na Gige, which is a pity as most people probably wouldn't recognise that name.


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    CrankyCod wrote: »
    If you don't fancy the Devil's Ladder, use the Zig Zags; it used to be difficult to find the start but since a lot of people started using that route the path is fairly obvious.

    Was up Carrauntoohil at the start of the cold spell, it was snowing at the top and met a Polish couple who seemd a bit lost and were in the usual jeans and runners gear so favoured by lost walkers! Was showing them the route to the Zig Zags as the safest way to get them down and some cranky walker came along and started banging on about how they couldn't go down there as they were trying to conserve it after all the erosion of summer walkers. Course then another came along and started having a go at their footwear - as if the top of Carrauntoohil in the snow was the right place for a lecture. Think the cranky ones would have been happy had I sent them down over Howling Ridge, barefoot to preserve the rocks...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Ah the cranky elite of Carrauntoohill. How dare you mere mortals attempt to summit the most highest mountain in ALL OF IRELAND.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    CrankyCod wrote: »
    If you don't fancy the Devil's Ladder, use the Zig Zags; it used to be difficult to find the start but since a lot of people started using that route the path is fairly obvious.

    It comes out on Cnoc na Toinne, above the top of the ladder, so you gain some uneccessary height but its a nice walk down to the saddle. You can come back the same way obviously; there is a very small cairn marking the top of the Zig Zags, keep a sharp eye out for it on the return.

    There is a warning sign at the foot of the Ladder asking people to use the Zig Zag route instead, but it uses the old name for the route, Bothar na Gige, which is a pity as most people probably wouldn't recognise that name.

    Hi, might try the Zig Zags this time, came down them the last time.. A little scary. Im a novice!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    hotfire wrote: »
    Hi, might try the Zig Zags this time, came down them the last time.. A little scary. Im a novice!

    I'm not being smart, but if the Zig Zags are scary, is Carrauntoohil for you? It is, afaik, considered the easiest route up and down, albeit a couple of miles longer than the Devil's Ladder.

    Plenty of other walk around Killarney that feel a lot safer. If you like hillwalks, Mangerton is a lot more gradual.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    I'm not being smart, but if the Zig Zags are scary, is Carrauntoohil for you? It is, afaik, considered the easiest route up and down, albeit a couple of miles longer than the Devil's Ladder.

    Plenty of other walk around Killarney that feel a lot safer. If you like hillwalks, Mangerton is a lot more gradual.

    thanks for the advice but ive climbed to the summit twice:) Loved going up, hated coming down it though! First time I climbed it I was 18. Now im a few years older :):) , decided to do it again, to see if I could make it to the summit again... Impressed myself:)


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    hotfire wrote: »
    thanks for the advice but ive climbed to the summit twice:) Loved going up, hated coming down it though!

    Well fair play then. I have gone up there with people who dislike the descent and I appreciate that everyone has their limits of what is tolerable, I've had the shakes myself on one or two points on the Reeks and caution is always far better than foolishness. You also get used to it - the more you get up there and familiarise yourself with the area the more confident you will feel about it all.

    Not sure how the Zig Zags would rate against the Bone, which is a longer walk again, but is also considered one of the safer accesses. The Heavenly Gates is a lovely descent, but there are one or two areas that might feel a bit exposed around the gates themselves even though it is safe enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭CrankyCod


    If exposure to height is causing a problem it might be worthwhile to check out the Hydro Road route. This is a very gradual walk up, and starts near Logh Acoose. There are no really scary bits, but some people find it a bit of a slog. It's a very popular route for first ascents as it relatively easy to navigate. It's still a serious outing though, so all the usual warnings apply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    I found Caher to be a serious slog, with the steep gradient and rock garden at the top. Well worth it though, and the top of Carrauntoohil is easy going from there, being mindful of the steep drops off the ridge of course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    Thanks Crankycod. We've decided to go the Hydro Road route. Fingers crossed we will get good weather. Attempting it on the 29th of January and will let ye know how we get on. Thanks again for yer advice, much appreciated.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was going to suggest the Coomloughra Circuit, which is fine in terms of ascent and descent, but the ridges are a bit airy, particularly the Beenkeragh Ridge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    Thanks Conor74 but were going to try the Hydro Road this time. Might atempt the Coomloughra Circuit in the summer.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    PM me any time you intend to go up there. I seem to be out there most weekends, and if our paths cross can give you pointers on all the routes (except the technical climbs), what's worth seeing and what's worth avoiding, the names of all the various features etc. I just find the whole place fascinating, my regret is that I grew up within sight of them but didn't first venture up there until about 2 years ago. But making up for lost time! If you ever want to go for a proper guided trip, try nathankingerlee who posts here.

    Oh and would highly recommend Jim Ryan's book, and the Harvey's Superwalker map.

    http://www.eason.ie/look/9781905172337/Carrauntoohil-and-MacGillycuddy-s-Reeks/Jim-Ryan

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Macgillycuddys-Reeks-Superwalker-Harvey-Maps/dp/1851374620


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 hotfire


    Will do, thanks Conor74. Whats the route like at the moment, is it snow covered, or water logged?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Looks fine from here!

    No snow on the Eastern Reeks anyway, Carrauntoohil itself in a little cloud so can't quite see. Last Saturday was a washout but weather since then has been glorious, so would imagine any water has long since run off. Forecast for the weekend is good, so think it will be perfect weather to get out there, cold, clear and dry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 mikaels


    Hi all!

    Which route would you recommend for a nightly ascent ? Has any of you done that before?


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