Why do stars twinkle?

karlog wrote: »

There are no stars. It's a government conspiracy, what you see at night is one big hologram covering up whats really out there, which is the truth..............out there..........the truth............THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!

your actually closer than you think, keep searching the skies.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

af_thefragile wrote: »

The intelligence setting out the initial sound causing the universe to explode into existence out of nothingness. Then setting about laws and forces which maintain the system in the delicate balance it is in. The architect, the watchmaker, the designer of everything we sense around us. Everything is build to a perfect measure, a perfect balance. Right from the smallest of quarks upto the largest of galactic superclusters. The more we learn about this system, the only more do we find out about the complexity of the system and the more mysterious it gets, the more awe inspiring it gets.

Sigh... so umm... What's this 'intelligence', how does 'intelligence' make sound before sound and a universe existed and the old one, where did the 'intelligence' come from. Seriously, can't you just go 'wow, the universe is awesome I hope some day we figure it all out' rather than whacking in an 'intelligence' despite having no proof of such a thing existing. It just adds more questions that can't be answered by anyone at this time.

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I dont know,
I will have a look in the morning.

Did you find out?

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Sigh... so umm... What's this 'intelligence', how does 'intelligence' make sound before sound and a universe existed and the old one, where did the 'intelligence' come from. Seriously, can't you just go 'wow, the universe is awesome I hope some day we figure it all out' rather than whacking in an 'intelligence' despite having no proof of such a thing existing. It just adds more questions that can't be answered by anyone at this time.

It can't be answered by anyone. I just believe the universe didn't just pop out by itself for no apparent reason. There is a greater intelligence working which caused everything to happen. We will never figure out the universe because our intellect is limited to the bounds of this universe. We can't even begin to imagine the infinite and so are our measuring instruments mostly limited to measuring in 3 dimensions in a linear time scale. Every scientific discovery made about the cosmos is only adds another piece in the puzzle which only affirms my understanding of the intelligence which set everything in motion.

The universe is a lot more more complex than any of us can imagine. It is multidimensional and its warped and twisted. Its like we're travelling on the most complex roller coaster but we can't feel any of the forces acting on us because even the forces change their direction with the twists and turns on the track and so does light. Hence we feel we are travelling in a straight line and everything around us is spread out linearly but in reality universe is like a crumpled piece of paper.

But ultimately we can never fully understand everything because our whole concept of truth and reality are limited. Our facts are only temporary facts and so are our realities. We cannot speak in absolutes. We can never speak in absolutes. Everything we know is relative to our limited understanding of the phenomenon and events we see taking place. In science one needs to assume something can be and not be at the same time (Schrondinger's Cat for example). Where as in reality that's not possible. It only takes one exception to refute any theory as being invalid or incomplete. Hence everything we know is only true and factual in relative or temporary terms. There are no absolutes in our knowledge.

Spunge wrote: »

If god created the universe 6000 years ago, how did the light from those stars travel millions of light years in 6000 years ?

Who said God created universe 6000 years ago? Where did you get that from?!

Also time is only a relative concept. It changes from place to place. There is no such thing as absolute time. It could be very well said that everything that happened in the past, everything that's happening right now and everything that has to happen in the future is all taking place at the same time all the time. But because we are bound within the limited dimensions of space time, we can only experience events linearly. But for someone who is looking from the outside, who isn't bound within the dimensions of the universe can see every thing taking place all at once.


The whole "God created universe 6000 years ago" was put up by dumb creationists who are stuck with the Biblical, Christian concept of God and the Trinity and because their concept of God cannot conform to modern science, they end up rejecting science in their stupidity and come up with their own insane theories about life universe and everything. This is where creationists have gone wrong. Very wrong.

af_thefragile wrote: »

It can't be answered by anyone. I just believe the universe didn't just pop out by itself for no apparent reason. There is a greater intelligence working which caused everything to happen. We will never figure out the universe because our intellect is limited to the bounds of this universe. We can't even begin to imagine the infinite and so are our measuring instruments mostly limited to measuring in 3 dimensions in a linear time scale. Every scientific discovery made about the cosmos is only adds another piece in the puzzle which only affirms my understanding of the intelligence which set everything in motion.

The universe is a lot more more complex than any of us can imagine. It is multidimensional and its warped and twisted. Its like we're travelling on the most complex roller coaster but we can't feel any of the forces acting on us because even the forces change their direction with the twists and turns on the track and so does light. Hence we feel we are travelling in a straight line and everything around us is spread out linearly but in reality universe is like a crumpled piece of paper.

But ultimately we can never fully understand everything because our whole concept of truth and reality are limited. Our facts are only temporary facts and so are our realities. We cannot speak in absolutes. We can never speak in absolutes. Everything we know is relative to our limited understanding of the phenomenon and events we see taking place. In science one needs to assume something can be and not be at the same time (Schrondinger's Cat for example). Where as in reality that's not possible. It only takes one exception to refute any theory as being invalid or incomplete. Hence everything we know is only true and factual in relative or temporary terms. There are no absolutes in our knowledge.



Who said God created universe 6000 years ago? Where did you get that from?!

Also time is only a relative concept. It changes from place to place. There is no such thing as absolute time. It could be very well said that everything that happened in the past, everything that's happening right now and everything that has to happen in the future is all taking place at the same time all the time. But because we are bound within the limited dimensions of space time, we can only experience events linearly. But for someone who is looking from the outside, who isn't bound within the dimensions of the universe can see every thing taking place all at once.


The whole "God created universe 6000 years ago" was put up by dumb creationists who are stuck with the Biblical, Christian concept of God and the Trinity and because their concept of God cannot conform to modern science, they end up rejecting science in their stupidity and come up with their own insane theories about life universe and everything. This is where creationists have gone wrong. Very wrong.

So in all that you're saying you don't know but still think something did it. Your thought process hurts my brain.

Canis Lupus wrote: »

So in all that you're saying you don't know but still think something did it. Your thought process hurts my brain.

Yes. Exactly because science cannot tell how it all happened in the first place and will never be able to. It is impossible to grasp the concept nothingness. How nothing could exist before the Big Bang and because of the lack of scientific understanding of what existed before the Big Bang, science can never figure out what caused it in the first place! And just because science cannot prove it doesn't mean there's nothing beyond the levels of what human scientific exploration has reached.

Simply saying my thought process isn't bound by the limits of human scientific discovery and exploration. Philosophical and theological thought coupled with scientific understanding of the physical just causes me to believe there's more to the world than just what we can see.

Also again, you need to get your head out of the Christian teaching and understanding of God because if you go with that, you'll never understand God. Although it is also true one can never fully understand God but the Christians have got it very wrong, at least as long as they believe in the trinity. No offence. The Trinitarian model of God is contradictory to science and both modern and ancient human understanding. A monotheistic God on the other hand is complimentary to modern scientific understanding. Even Plato had a monotheistic understanding of God back in Ancient Greece where they had a whole pantheon of gods.


Anyway, I'm not going to debate about God on AH out of all the places on the internet!!

af_thefragile wrote: »

Yes. Exactly because science cannot tell how it all happened in the first place and will never be able to. It is impossible to grasp the concept nothingness. How nothing could exist before the Big Bang and because of the lack of scientific understanding of what existed before the Big Bang, science can never figure out what caused it in the first place! And just because science cannot prove it doesn't mean there's nothing beyond the levels of what human scientific exploration has reached.

Simply saying my thought process isn't bound by the limits of human scientific discovery and exploration. Philosophical and theological thought coupled with scientific understanding of the physical just causes me to believe there's more to the world than just what we can see.

Also again, you need to get your head out of the Christian teaching and understanding of God because if you go with that, you'll never understand God. Although it is also true one can never fully understand God but the Christians have got it very wrong, at least as long as they believe in the trinity. No offence. The Trinitarian model of God is contradictory to science and both modern and ancient human understanding. A monotheistic God on the other hand is complimentary to modern scientific understanding. Even Plato had a monotheistic understanding of God back in Ancient Greece where they had a whole pantheon of gods.


Anyway, I'm not going to debate about God on AH out of all the places on the internet!!

I'm an atheist so you're not offending me. I personally draw the line at I don't know. I don't see why you need to add anything more until such a time as we can say 'more' exists. It's nice to think about these things and have hopes about how it might all end up (I watched a program on tv the other night that suggests we're all somehow holograms which sounded mad).

Not wanting to offend you but your thoughts on 'god' sound more like wishful thinking than anything else. If your god isn't the usual interactive answering prayers type god I don't see why you need to include him. He serves no purpose other than to kind of explain away stuff you can't explain yet.