Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 12:12AM

I have posted this on a number of boards but I think its really important that people give very careful consideration as to why not vote for SF
I apologise if I am repeating myself to some posters

Let me say that I have raised my family in Ireland and I long for an united Ireland as much as any republican does . I totally respect the people who gave of their life to free this country from the time of Ann Devlin right through 1916,- 1922 and in the recent troubles of NI. But there is no set of circumstances that I would vote SF. If SF play any role in governing this great country I will consider leaving it. I am at an age where I can leave my employment early, not something I want to do but I couldn't live here under their rule.
I spent a considerable amount of time in NI during the troubles and saw the pain and heartbreak that SF inflicted on working class people at first hand. I have many visions of mothers laying to rest their loved ones, blown to pieces in the name of Ireland. The vision I will take to my grave is that of Garda Gerry MC Cabe slumped in the front seat of a Garda Car shot dead without even the chance of defending himself. A decent working man doing a job to protect the Irish people. Mr Ferris supported that act of murder and refused to condemn it he also wanted the murders
released early. Another one of the many cowardly acts was the murder of Robert McCartney who was murdered because he spoke out against the IRA. For those reasons and the many other hideous crimes against the people of Ireland I will NEVER live under the rule of SF. When the IRA were defending Derry and the Falls Road I supported their cause. But when they decided to murder and bomb their own they lost my support. I consider myself a republican and I long to see Ireland as a 32 county republic.
Also you should take a long look at the performance of SF in Stormont it is quite amazing. They support cuts of £2.4 billion sterling in public spending across health , education, public service and 100 miles down the road they are telling the Irish people that the cuts in the Republic are a disgrace and the Government should resign. I have listened Pearse Doherty's speech in the Dail on the budget and I get sick when I hear the line "You sold out the ordinary average people" addressed to the Irish Government. Whatever performance issues there are with this Irish Government (and there are many) they didn't knee cap, tar and feather or blow the ordinary average people to bits. Its truly stomach churning to listen to such hypocrisy. We have Mr Adams condemning the politicans here for claiming Expenses and yet as an MP they have claim tens of ,000 of pounds as MP's and never attended Westminister.

Please I had a late dinner

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 12:13AM

sligopark wrote: »

Have to disagree it belongs to the Prov.IRA and it was a pay off from the Brits for them to lie down and STFU.

Pity it didn't extend to Gerry and Martin.

Spoken as a true democrat

BlaasForRafa · 19-01-2011 12:53AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Where you hear that? Last I heard he got the nomination and is buying a house.

With Northern Bank notes presumably.

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 01:05AM

sligopark wrote: »

Have to disagree it belongs to the Prov.IRA and it was a pay off from the Brits for them to lie down and STFU.

Pity it didn't extend to Gerry and Martin.

I will let the pictures tell you the tale. All three taken on the same day (Easter Sunday 2007)

1. The Irish Government commemoriting Easter Sunday. (regardless of who is the next Government I have no doubt that they will continue that respectful tradition.

Picture 2 & 3 Sinn Fein commemorating Easter Sunday.

As bad as things are lets not bring Ireland to that.

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 01:06AM

Other two photos

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 01:25AM

Biggins wrote: »

Exactly, those that voted them in, by their vote - be it a protest vote or whatever - did so and gave then that legal mandate to do so.
He continues to assist them by more local representation rather than just attending a building alone in order to qualify for his expenses.
If there is a legal law that actually state he has to attend in order to qualify for expenses, I'm sure he would not want to be seen breaking it and I'd like to see where that parliament rule is stated

I think you could question if he has broken section 2.41 of the HOC green book.
Considering recent posts on Ivan C's win in the high court most posters agreed that despite that finding he was morally corrupt
I would think the same would apply to wee Gerry, that is of course once we are not applying a different standard to Non FF people.

Biggins · 19-01-2011 01:34AM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I think you could question if he has broken section 2.41 of the HOC green book.
Considering recent posts on Ivan C's win in the high court most posters agreed that despite that finding he was morally corrupt
I would think the same would apply to wee Gerry, that is of course once we are not applying a different standard to Non FF people.

The difference being however that Ivan C'was hauled up due to some sort of material that apparently substantiated the case against him.
So fat NO ONE has yet to produce, see or hear of ANY evidence of such material against Mr Adams.

If you have such evidence can you please produce it or show links to it to back up your claim?
Otherwise what you say is just a clear poor attempt at muck throwing, possibly liable should he wish to sue someone that says such a thing without proof, such claims being unsubstantiated.

Hannibal · 19-01-2011 01:40AM

Het-Field wrote: »

To do what ?

Certainly didnt sit in the House of Commons and represent their constituents views.

Why should nationalists be subjective to take an oath of allegience to an opressive government? Its ridiculous an ill educated of people to criticise SF for not taking their seats in the Commons for this. They go to Westminster to use their offices and conduct constituency business they just dont go into the chamber because it would involve swearing on oath to an outdated monarchy. To receive the amount of the vote Gerry Adams does obviously shows his constituents are in favour of this stance and are happy with how he represents them.
In the 2010 General Election Gerry Adams got 71.1% of the vote in Belfast West which was an increase of 2.5% on the previous result. McGuinness stated that Adams is the most popular politician on the island of Ireland and this is correct.
Willie O'Dea received 38.6% of the vote in Limerick East in the last election which was the largest in the Republic I believe.

Biggins · 19-01-2011 01:45AM

Dotsey wrote: »

Why should nationalists be subjective to take an oath of allegiance to an oppressive government? Its ridiculous an ill educated of people to criticise SF for not taking their seats in the Commons for this. They go to Westminster to use their offices and conduct constituency business they just dont go into the chamber because it would involve swearing on oath to an outdated monarchy. To receive the amount of the vote Gerry Adams does obviously shows his constituents are in favour of this stance and are happy with how he represents them.
In the 2010 General Election Gerry Adams got 71.1% of the vote in Belfast West which was an increase of 2.5% on the previous result. McGuinness stated that Adams is the most popular politician on the island of Ireland and this is correct.
Willie O'Dea received 38.6% of the vote in Limerick East in the last election which was the largest in the Republic I believe.

Yea but members and fans of the cult known as Fianna Fail can't seen to deal with actual facts!

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 02:07AM

Biggins wrote: »

Yea but members and fans of the cult known as Fianna Fail can't seen to deal with actual facts!

Yes I agree there are many cults here. A lot of them have no facts to support some of the laughable posts that appear... I totally agree with you.

Biggins · 19-01-2011 02:08AM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Yes I agree there are many cults here. A lot of them have no facts to support some of the laughable posts that appear... I totally agree with you.

That makes a change. ...and on that note I'm signing off for two days.
Tuam in Galway here I come - lookout! :pac:

See ya Cowen and co when I get back!

Hannibal · 19-01-2011 02:12AM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Yes I agree there are many cults here. A lot of them have no facts to support some of the laughable posts that appear... I totally agree with you.

If you agree with the post you commented about, look through your own posts and apply that thinking to it because you're missing a lot of facts on SF related issues. Your basing some facts around hearsay and the type of nonsense you see printed in the Sunday World or Evening Herald.

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 02:56AM

Dotsey wrote: »

Why should nationalists be subjective to take an oath of allegience to an opressive government? Its ridiculous an ill educated of people to criticise SF for not taking their seats in the Commons for this. They go to Westminster to use their offices and conduct constituency business they just dont go into the chamber because it would involve swearing on oath to an outdated monarchy. To receive the amount of the vote Gerry Adams does obviously shows his constituents are in favour of this stance and are happy with how he represents them.
In the 2010 General Election Gerry Adams got 71.1% of the vote in Belfast West which was an increase of 2.5% on the previous result. McGuinness stated that Adams is the most popular politician on the island of Ireland and this is correct.
Willie O'Dea received 38.6% of the vote in Limerick East in the last election which was the largest in the Republic I believe.

I dont consider it ill educated to state the facts.
Adams received 71% of the vote in First Past the Post voting system
There is no comparison between first past the post and a proportional representation system

But just to set the records straight please note the following

In the last proportional representation election in NI of 2007 Adams received 6029 first preference votes or 17.84% of the total Frist preference vote
In the last proportional representation election in ROI of 2007 Willie O Dea Received 19,082 first preference votes. 38% of the total first preference votes.

Its not unusual for the SF cult to ignore the facts

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 02:59AM

Dotsey wrote: »

Why should nationalists be subjective to take an oath of allegience to an opressive government? Its ridiculous an ill educated of people to criticise SF for not taking their seats in the Commons for this. They go to Westminster to use their offices and conduct constituency business they just dont go into the chamber because it would involve swearing on oath to an outdated monarchy. To receive the amount of the vote Gerry Adams does obviously shows his constituents are in favour of this stance and are happy with how he represents them.
In the 2010 General Election Gerry Adams got 71.1% of the vote in Belfast West which was an increase of 2.5% on the previous result. McGuinness stated that Adams is the most popular politician on the island of Ireland and this is correct.
Willie O'Dea received 38.6% of the vote in Limerick East in the last election which was the largest in the Republic I believe.

Biggins wrote: »

Yea but members and fans of the cult known as Fianna Fail can't seen to deal with actual facts!

Fitzerb wrote: »

I dont consider it ill educated to state the facts.
Adams received 71% of the vote in First Past the Post voting system
There is no comparison between first past the post and a proportional representation system

But just to set the records straight please note the following

In the last proportional representation election in NI of 2007 Adams received 6029 first preference votes or 17.84% of the total Frist preference vote
In the last proportional representation election in ROI of 2007 Willie O Dea Received 19,082 first preference votes. 38% of the total first preference votes.

Its not unusual for the SF cult to ignore the facts

Please note the above are the facts.....

Nehaxak · 19-01-2011 03:05AM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I have posted this on a number of boards but I think its really important that people give very careful consideration as to why not vote for SF
I apologise if I am repeating myself to some posters

Argumentum ad nauseam at this stage.

SF is not the IRA and the IRA are not SF, the IRA are a proscribed and illegal organisation under Irish law and as such, if any SF members are also for some reason a member of the IRA, they would be charged with belonging to an illegal proscribed terrorist group. Unless you for some reason also think the Garda are protecting them ? The very same Garda from the very same force with which you suggest SF members were involved in the murder of in some way ? :rolleyes:

Who the hell are you trying to fool with your propaganda ffs, it's old, boring, tiring and utterly childish. Whoop de doo, you hate SF, big deal - get over yourself if you think you're going to make any difference on Boards.ie with your anti SF rant - there's only about 2 or 3 Republican posters left on this forum who ever post here anymore, and one of them is a mod. The rest have gone to Politics.ie or elsewhere, where they can democratically debate actual policies and politics in Ireland, in a more adult and grown up environment.
Go post your rant in the Sinn Fein forum over there and see how long you last, your ramblings will probably be pulled to pieces by others before an actual SF supporter even gets a chance to reply.

We have Mr Adams condemning the politicans here for claiming Expenses and yet as an MP they have claim tens of ,000 of pounds as MP's and never attended Westminister.

Please I had a late dinner

Yawn....
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/16460

Their expenses are and always have been out in the open for all to see, totally and utterly transparent. While you're over at Politics.ie defending your great crusade against SF, feel free to mention that one while you're there.

RockinRolla · 19-01-2011 03:06AM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I have posted this on a number of boards but I think its really important that people give very careful consideration as to why not vote for SF
I apologise if I am repeating myself to some posters

Let me say that I have raised my family in Ireland and I long for an united Ireland as much as any republican does . I totally respect the people who gave of their life to free this country from the time of Ann Devlin right through 1916,- 1922 and in the recent troubles of NI. But there is no set of circumstances that I would vote SF. If SF play any role in governing this great country I will consider leaving it. I am at an age where I can leave my employment early, not something I want to do but I couldn't live here under their rule.
I spent a considerable amount of time in NI during the troubles and saw the pain and heartbreak that SF inflicted on working class people at first hand. I have many visions of mothers laying to rest their loved ones, blown to pieces in the name of Ireland. The vision I will take to my grave is that of Garda Gerry MC Cabe slumped in the front seat of a Garda Car shot dead without even the chance of defending himself. A decent working man doing a job to protect the Irish people. Mr Ferris supported that act of murder and refused to condemn it he also wanted the murders
released early. Another one of the many cowardly acts was the murder of Robert McCartney who was murdered because he spoke out against the IRA. For those reasons and the many other hideous crimes against the people of Ireland I will NEVER live under the rule of SF. When the IRA were defending Derry and the Falls Road I supported their cause. But when they decided to murder and bomb their own they lost my support. I consider myself a republican and I long to see Ireland as a 32 county republic.
Also you should take a long look at the performance of SF in Stormont it is quite amazing. They support cuts of £2.4 billion sterling in public spending across health , education, public service and 100 miles down the road they are telling the Irish people that the cuts in the Republic are a disgrace and the Government should resign. I have listened Pearse Doherty's speech in the Dail on the budget and I get sick when I hear the line "You sold out the ordinary average people" addressed to the Irish Government. Whatever performance issues there are with this Irish Government (and there are many) they didn't knee cap, tar and feather or blow the ordinary average people to bits. Its truly stomach churning to listen to such hypocrisy. We have Mr Adams condemning the politicans here for claiming Expenses and yet as an MP they have claim tens of ,000 of pounds as MP's and never attended Westminister.

Please I had a late dinner

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Look, I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein either - but not because of all the stigmas that come with them. No, I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein because I don't want to live in an authoritarian state. I don't care for all of Sinn Fein's usual murder baggage - I tend to look forward to the future, not the past; something many people don't argue when talking about them.

The simple fact is, I don't want to pay extra taxes for more of my freedoms to be taken away from me. Why would anyone not clinically diagnosed braindead do such a thing? In fact, Fianna Fail are too left for some of us, can you imagine Sinn Fein? I shudder to think.

That's the reason I won't vote Sinn Fein - the future, their ideology, their stance; not because of the past.

Nehaxak · 19-01-2011 03:20AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Just shows how many idiots there seem to be on this island.

You'll enjoy this one so...
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/THE-POLITICAL-REVIEW-Loyalist-working.6690253.jp

Fitzerb · 19-01-2011 03:29AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Oh, come off it.

You are borderline troll - using a soppy story to appeal to the emotion.

Look, I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein either - but not because of all the stigmas that come with them. No, I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein because I don't want to live in an authoritarian state. I don't care for all of Sinn Fein's usual murder baggage - I tend to look forward to the future, not the past; something many people don't argue when talking about them.

The simple fact is, I don't want to pay extra taxes for more of my freedoms to be taken away from me. Why would anyone not clinically diagnosed braindead do such a thing? In fact, Fianna Fail are too left for some of us, can you imagine Sinn Fein? I shudder to think.

That's the reason I won't vote Sinn Fein - the future, their ideology, their stance; not because of the past.

Perhaps when you are exposed to the pain they caused you get emotive.

phantom_lord · 19-01-2011 04:38AM

Nehaxak wrote: »

there's only about 2 or 3 Republican posters left on this forum who ever post here anymore, and one of them is a mod. The rest have gone to Politics.ie or elsewhere, where they can democratically debate actual policies and politics in Ireland, in a more adult and grown up environment.

http://www.politics.ie/feedback/139771-weve-taken-ni-forum-off-homepage-while-heres-why.html

femur61 · 19-01-2011 07:18AM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

No, its a big secret. If only the newspapers would mention it....

What a patronising post

Young people don't read papers, that is not patronising, but reality. Voting age 18 = DOB = 1993. If you read the forums many of the voters that Pearce Dorety is attracting are unaware of SFs involvement in the IRA.

the groutch · 19-01-2011 09:29AM

femur61 wrote: »

Young people don't read papers, that is not patronising, but reality. Voting age 18 = DOB = 1993. If you read the forums many of the voters that Pearce Dorety is attracting are unaware of SFs involvement in the IRA.

that's a load of BS, of course they know about SF and it's member's past, but people don't live in the past like you, they care about the future of this country, and believe that SF should be involved in shaping it

sarumite · 19-01-2011 09:39AM

I don't think there is anything new in the notion of nationalist demagogue using populist rhetoric that appeals to the proletariat scoring considerably high in popularity polls....that is until the economy sinks under their stewardship of course.

maccored · 19-01-2011 11:06AM

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

The expense referred to exists to assist Members of Parliament in attending the House of Commons. Sinn Fein don't attend the House of Commons yet they still claim the expense.

same old same old. please, stop dragging this crap up at every opportunity, just to derail another thread. There was a court case about these expenses and SF were exonerated.

maccored · 19-01-2011 11:14AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

With Northern Bank notes presumably.

yet another red herring. feel free to pass on the information you have that links SF in any way to the northern bank robbery. send it on to the British government, as they have yet to find anything to point the finger at republicans.

I want to know why no-one asks questions about the £50,000 of money, traced back to the robbery, that was found with the RUC.

rokossovsky · 19-01-2011 11:17AM

paky wrote: »

im not debating his popularity with the public which im sure he has a lot of but its the politicians who refuse to do business with him for no valid reason? perhaps its jealousy?

meh! It just might be that blood is hard to wash off your hands.

ISAW · 19-01-2011 11:26AM

kev9100 wrote: »

Gilmore is the most popular leader according to the polls. Adams is just an economic illiterate.

Gilmore's background is the same Marxist communist stock pot. Gilmore was in Official Sinn Féin, Sinn Féin the Workers Party, The Workers Party, Democratic Left, New Agenda and finally the old trots took over The Labour Party.

I accept he has practically dumped marxist theory since Gilmore's wife made over a half million on inflated property ( rejection inheritance of wealth in particularly land and and rejection of capitalist market specualtion are central Marxist beliefs) and he said it was nothing to do with him.

But I have not ever heard Gilmore say he rejects Marxism! So how is he any economically different from Sinn Féin who are Marxist in economic theory but investors in them like Slab Murphy have invested in speculative property in Liverpool?

ISAW · 19-01-2011 11:31AM

Het-Field wrote: »

No.

Mainly Martin Ferris.

Let us not forget FG have similar gunmen in their background. Eoin O Neill their first leader was a fascist. Joe Mc Grath of Irish Sweepstakes Fame ran the Oriel House Mob.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Intelligence_Department_%E2%80%93_Oriel_House

At least twenty-five Irish Republicans were assassinated in County Dublin in the period that the Oriel House CID was in existence, from early 1922 to November 1923, when under the control of the FSA Intelligence Department and later under the Ministry of Home Affairs, to when it was finally abolished.

ISAW · 19-01-2011 11:38AM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

They attended the offices there where they did normal constituency work, research to help them and lobbied

They broke no laws or house rules.

Ah but that is the issue! Irish TD and Senators dint break rules either and you criticise them!
Moreover isnt a bit contradictory that you support Sinn Féin in taking the Saxon shilling but not voting and yet you also support them in "lobbying" others who do vote?

Ill accept that attending the house does not mean sitting in the house on the basis of abstentionism, oaths etc. but this Republican ideal has been outdated for decades. Fiann Fail eventually went back and took the oath and sat in the Dail and Sinn Fein eventually did. If fianna Fail or FG won a westminster seat i would think they would also sit.

ISAW · 19-01-2011 11:40AM

maccored wrote: »

same old same old. please, stop dragging this crap up at every opportunity, just to derail another thread. There was a court case about these expenses and SF were exonerated.

So was Ivor Callelly! So you won't mention him again?

Het-Field · 19-01-2011 12:11PM

ISAW wrote: »

Let us not forget FG have similar gunmen in their background. Eoin O Neill their first leader was a fascist. Joe Mc Grath of Irish Sweepstakes Fame ran the Oriel House Mob.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Intelligence_Department_%E2%80%93_Oriel_House

Of course when you remove context historical parallel can be one's best friend.

Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland

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