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Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland

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  • #32
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Perhaps you might reconcile that statement with the fact that Mr Adams used claim Westminster expenses (for a house in London for instance) even though he refused to take his seat in the House of Commons?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html

    Because they were doing constituency related work.

    They were voted in on an abstentionist ticket after all.


  • #33
    Biggins
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Because they were doing constituency related work.
    They were voted in on an abstentionist ticket after all.
    Exactly, those that voted them in, by their vote - be it a protest vote or whatever - did so and gave then that legal mandate to do so.
    He continues to assist them by more local representation rather than just attending a building alone in order to qualify for his expenses.
    If there is a legal law that actually state he has to attend in order to qualify for expenses, I'm sure he would not want to be seen breaking it and I'd like to see where that parliament rule is stated


  • #34
    Eliot Rosewater
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Because they were doing constituency related work.

    Such as? As I already said, the costs they incurred in attending peace talks were already covered - otherwise non-MP Sinn Fein members couldn't have attended, which is obviously not the case.

    The expense is clearly to help MPs attend the House of Commons.


  • #35
    phantom_lord
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Because maybe partly he perhaps refuses to let himself with his org' to get into the games of political cronyism, underhanded abuse of perks, expenses and bowing to corporate interests as they try to wine and dine (and they do successfully!) other mainstream political parties (possibly for future favours)?

    They just haven't had the opportunity to do that in Ireland yet, they seemed quite content to ride the gravy train when they got the chance in Westminster though.


  • #36
    Biggins
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    phantom_lord wrote: »
    They just haven't had the opportunity to do that in Ireland yet, they seemed quite content to ride the gravy train when they got the chance in Westminster though.
    You could be right but then as in my other posts, especially 33 where I put a supposition, it might not be.


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  • #37
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Such as? As I already said, the costs they incurred in attending peace talks were already covered - otherwise non-MP Sinn Fein members couldn't have attended, which is obviously not the case.

    The expense is clearly to help MPs attend the House of Commons.

    They attended the offices there where they did normal constituency work, research to help them and lobbied

    They broke no laws or house rules.


  • #38
    lugha
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    They attended the offices there where they did normal constituency work, research to help them and lobbied

    They broke no laws or house rules.

    Isn't that what John O'Donoghue and Ivor Callely say?


  • #39
    Biggins
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    lugha wrote: »
    Isn't that what John O'Donoghue and Ivor Callely say?
    True but then for the light punishment - if any - they got, they at least were caught and pulled up on it.
    In the last lot or ANY lot of expense scandals that was exposed in the English Parliament, where was Mr Adams name mentioned and in relation to what exactly?


  • #40
    Biggins
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I have to say I have been surprised by the level of popularity he has in louth. Sky high.
    Returning back to the original contention of the thread (for we have side-tracked and I could be partly to blame), I wonder if Mr Adams stood in any other county, would he indeed be as popular in those actual others?

    Its just a thought and one I'd like to hear others thoughts on? :)

    I have a feeling that some people would vote for him, if only for the reason that he might be (they hope) a bit of fresh air where a ruddy good gale is much needed!


  • #41
    femur61
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    paky wrote: »
    Martin McGuinness claimed last Friday night that Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland in terms of votes. Is this true and if so, is this why Gerry Adams is so disliked by politicians in the south of Ireland?

    No, Gerry mcCabe, Enniskilan, gunrunning, lies. I doubt if a lot people voting for SF know their history of terriorism.


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  • #42
    mikemac
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Returning back to the original contention of the thread (for we have side-tracked and I could be partly to blame), I wonder if Mr Adams stood in any other county, would he indeed be as popular in those actual others?

    Its just a thought and one I'd like to hear others thoughts on? :)

    I've a real thing against parachute candidates. And for candidates from all parties and independents too who get involved in this. I've too many examples to list who did this in the last general election.

    When I first heard the news I assumed parachute candidate but it seems he has a profile in Louth and is often in the area and soon to be a houseowner.
    This counts for a lot.

    If he identified a vulnerable seat like maybe Tipperary North or Waterford or Dublin South or anywhere after doing some analysis and ran he'd be defeated. As that's pure opportunism.
    But he has connections and contacts and work done in Louth, it matters a lot.
    Maybe it shouldn't for candidates going to for national elections but it does. Politics is local


  • #43
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    femur61 wrote: »
    No, Gerry mcCabe, Enniskilan, gunrunning, lies. I doubt if a lot people voting for SF know their history of terriorism.

    No, its a big secret. If only the newspapers would mention it....

    What a patronising post


  • #44
    amacachi
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    Remember he'll be 1st on the ballot because of his surname so remember to take off about a thousand votes to work out how popular he usually is. I think that's why Dermot Ahern is stepping down at this election, he wouldn't get the sequential votes he usually does.


  • #45
    amacachi
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    When I first heard the news I assumed parachute candidate but it seems he has a profile in Louth and is often in the area and soon to be a houseowner.
    This counts for a lot.

    He could be living in London and he'd still get elected if he stood in this constituency.


  • #46
    Monty Burnz
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    paky wrote: »
    im not debating his popularity with the public which im sure he has a lot of but its the politicians who refuse to do business with him for no valid reason? perhaps its jealousy?
    Or the blood on his hands. Hard to say which.


  • #47
    sligopark
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Last I heard he got the nomination and is buying a house.

    I'd love to see that mortgage application. ;)


  • #48
    Wolfe Tone
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    amacachi wrote: »
    He could be living in London and he'd still get elected if he stood in this constituency.
    He really is that popular.


  • #49
    KeithAFC
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    femur61 wrote: »
    No, Gerry mcCabe, Enniskilan, gunrunning, lies. I doubt if a lot people voting for SF know their history of terriorism.
    Good point. Gerry is a liar and should owe up to his deeds.


  • #50
    sligopark
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Good point. Gerry is a liar and should owe up to his deeds.

    including burying Jean McConville in Louth?


  • #51
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    the south of Ireland?
    anyway.

    do we really need to go through all this again.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Martin McGuinness said so, so it must be true, why does this follow.


    People the length and breadth of Ireland have an opinion of Gerry Adams. I've met people from abroad who've heard of him and have an opinion on him as well.

    Some people in Ireland think the man is a great leader, Dear Leader, if you will.
    Others think he prolonged the saga of murder and terrorism in Ireland.

    C'est la vie, c'est le guerre.


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  • #52
    KeithAFC
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    A lot of people in the republican movement have owed up to past conflicts. Fair play to them. It was one of those times. A lot of people did that sort of thing. But for Gerry to just lie to people like he does is just unforgiving to the victims.


  • #53
    Fitzerb
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Because maybe partly he perhaps refuses to let himself with his org' to get into the games of political cronyism, underhanded abuse of perks, expenses and bowing to corporate interests as they try to wine and dine (and they do successfully!) other mainstream political parties (possibly for future favours)?

    I wonder will he live in his house in West Belfast, his holiday home in Donegal or his appartment in London............... Nothing is too good for the working class.


  • #54
    Fitzerb
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Where you hear that? Last I heard he got the nomination and is buying a house.

    Didnt know that. Will he claim his Dail expenses from his home in Donegal or west belfast / his appartment in London or his new home in Louth.

    WOW this guy might get an invite to the Galway tent.


  • #55
    Fitzerb
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Would he really not stand for bullsh*t?

    There is always this myth that SF do a lot for West belfast but West belfast still has a lot of problems. Its not as great as people make out. What could he bring to the republic?


    Nothing


  • #56
    cc4life
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    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Didnt know that. Will he claim his Dail expenses from his home in Donegal or west belfast / his appartment in London or his new home in Louth.

    WOW this guy might get an invite to the Galway tent.

    Louth I would imagine seeing as that will be where he is running from. Its pretty obvious really


  • #57
    Fitzerb
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    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Didnt know that. Will he claim his Dail expenses from his home in Donegal or west belfast / his appartment in London or his new home in Louth.

    WOW this guy might get an invite to the Galway tent.
    cc4life wrote: »
    Louth I would imagine seeing as that will be where he is running from. Its pretty obvious really


    Do you think he will apply to the Northern Bank for a mortgage


  • #58
    Monty Burnz
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    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Nothing
    To be fair, thans still many tens of billions more than Fianna Failure have left us.


  • #59
    Fitzerb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    To be fair, thans still many tens of billions more than Fianna Failure have left us.


    Not sure how you work out tens of billions is more than nothing but we know Adams has millions, its just that it belongs to the Northern Bank


  • #60
    Monty Burnz
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    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Not sure how you work out tens of billions is more than nothing but we know Adams has millions, its just that it belongs to the Northern Bank
    Fianna Failure left us minus tens of billions when they guaranteed the debts of the private banks. On balance, I prefer Sinn Fein/IRA's record with banks, it cost me a lot less.


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  • #61
    sligopark
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    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Not sure how you work out tens of billions is more than nothing but we know Adams has millions, its just that it belongs to the Northern Bank

    Have to disagree it belongs to the Prov.IRA and it was a pay off from the Brits for them to lie down and STFU.

    Pity it didn't extend to Gerry and Martin.


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