Marketing the tri-colour

bobblepuzzle · 18-01-2011 10:13AM

Captain Darling wrote: »

Tri-colour bog roll.

Dude, I know this is After Hours and all, but a bit more respect towards the flag please

Fratton Fred · 18-01-2011 10:17AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Green White and Gold

thems the colours of the flag.

I have heard a lot of people say, but I have also heard that some of the more strict catholic schools (the same ones that wouldn't let pupils play soccer or lutherian football) taught that the flag was gold to deny the existence of protestants in the state.

Tis all very confusing.

stovelid · 18-01-2011 10:27AM

Bambi wrote: »

Green= nationalist
white=the arctic
Orange=Loyalists

Green - 'Ra

White - neutral gay, hand-wringing do-gooders

Orange - Huns

iMax · 18-01-2011 10:29AM

some_dose wrote: »

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Every single goddammed time there is a discussion about Ireland/the state of Ireland (as in the entity) or something relating to Irish people, it always, always, always ends up as Prodestants v Catholics. Christ on a fcuking bike - get over it and move the shag on. I'm as nationalist as the next person but this thread is about "Marketing the tri-colour" - not on "What the tri-colour stands for and the entire rehashed history of this nation". Not to back seat mod but I'm sure people are getting sick of others derailing threads by harking on with the same old shite each time.

[/Rant]

In relation to OP's question, I don't know why it isn't better marketed. The Union Jack is synonymous with fashion in some repects and the US flag and Russian/Cuba flags are used quite widely. It'd be cool to see the tri-colour used more often but maybe it's just that it's too boring a flag?

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THIS

The reason for starting the thread, is we're entering a new era of Ireland. We're hopefully clearing out the old & starting fresh (idealist much??). However, this tarnished old fashioned emblem has very little respect. It needs to be marketed in order to revitalise it & the very country it symbolises.

Here's something I knocked together in 10 minutes, I'm not a design student & didn't put too much thought into it.
Flag.jpg
I'm not sure what the exact colour palette is supposed to be (although I think it should be modified). I've taken the stripes & turned them sideways & added a triskelion as a symbol of our heritage (it also represents the past, the present & the future). It probably resembles some African dictatorship's flag - irony huh?

Would be interested in seeing other's redesigns also.

I believe (& this might be a bit serious for after hours) that by revitalising the flag & the national anthem (we're not mad about the soldiers of destiny anymore, right?). while keeping the fundamental beliefs & basis of them, and by getting this through to the younger generations, that this is something to be proud of & dare I say it "cool"/"trendy" (by saying it, I've probably negated it, but anyhoo), that we have a very real chance of being a country to be proud of again.

mconigol · 18-01-2011 10:48AM

Why would we need to market our flag exactly...it's just a flag not some corporate advertising campaign

iMax · 18-01-2011 10:49AM

Last paragraph in my post above yours mconigol

Dyr · 18-01-2011 11:04AM

Sure we could just go with the euro flag now..that the way we're headed anyway :mad:

sensibleken · 18-01-2011 11:25AM

theboss80 wrote: »

And the harp on the original flag came from Brian Boru's harp, the high king of Ireland, who represented the four kingdoms of Ireland, unfortunately POLLITICALLY there are only three kingdoms within the republic so using that flag would not be possible i think.

Im sure it will again some time in the future

But Brian boru never conquered Ulster, the O'Neils held out so it could still be used. Personally I much prefer the harp on the green background. Or a big picture of Ronnie Drew havin a pint

mconigol · 18-01-2011 11:32AM

iMax wrote: »

Last paragraph in my post above yours mconigol

I agree that the flag and anthem could be revamped to be more relevant but we don't need to market it...it's a national flag not a corporate logo

iMax · 18-01-2011 01:56PM

mconigol wrote: »

I agree that the flag and anthem could be revamped to be more relevant but we don't need to market it...it's a national flag not a corporate logo

But it's the marketing of it which makes it more relevent & accessable to youth markets.

A revamp & (respectful) use of it in popular culture would make it into a more desireable property & hopefully build national confidence in Ireland as a brand & nationality.

When a company has bad press/scandals/goes broke, they frequently rebrand & revive themselves, why can the same not be done for Ireland.

Even the Irish air corp logo on a plain white background would be far more iconic than our current flag.
600px-Irish_Air_Corps_roundel.svg.png

mconigol · 18-01-2011 04:19PM

iMax wrote: »

But it's the marketing of it which makes it more relevent & accessable to youth markets.

A revamp & (respectful) use of it in popular culture would make it into a more desireable property & hopefully build national confidence in Ireland as a brand & nationality.

When a company has bad press/scandals/goes broke, they frequently rebrand & revive themselves, why can the same not be done for Ireland.

Even the Irish air corp logo on a plain white background would be far more iconic than our current flag.
600px-Irish_Air_Corps_roundel.svg.png

But my point is that Ireland is not a brand. This is merely reducing the whole country to commodity, which it's not.

I agree we could use a new flag but to do so as a marketing ploy to improve our brand image isn't the reason it should happen. Ireland's not a brand, nor should it be thought of in that way imo

sensibleken · 18-01-2011 04:27PM

mconigol wrote: »

But my point is that Ireland is not a brand. This is merely reducing the whole country to commodity, which it's not.

Yeah O'carrols have already done that.

To be honest if you want to market the tricolour or some other Irish symbol you need to start at home.

Stop promoting the goddamned leprechaun as a national symbol. Try banshee instead, or the dulahan, those guys are properly cool

Burn all green hats with attachable red beards. In fact just burn down O'Carrols full stop. If you want to sell the logo or the flag in this case you need to make sure what it represents is worth buying..is cool.

The Union flag is associated with swinging london, the US flag with new york amongst other things so its easier to sell. The confederate flag is not quite so easy despite being from the same country.

Ireland is a pretty good place with a lot of cool stuff to promote itself, its music, literature, history, archaeology, mythology etc but instead we choose to promote the crapest aspects of it and end up with a leprechaun museum

Cook my sock · 18-01-2011 04:32PM

what about all the aul lads with the tricolour tattooed on them? think of them before ya start designing stuff!

mconigol · 18-01-2011 04:33PM

sensibleken wrote: »

Yeah O'carrols have already done that.

To be honest if you want to market the tricolour or some other Irish symbol you need to start at home.

Stop promoting the goddamned leprechaun as a national symbol. Try banshee instead, or the dulahan, those guys are properly cool

Burn all green hats with attachable red beards. In fact just burn down O'Carrols full stop. If you want to sell the logo or the flag in this case you need to make sure what it represents is worth buying..is cool.

The Union flag is associated with swinging london, the US flag with new york amongst other things so its easier to sell. The confederate flag is not quite so easy despite being from the same country.

Ireland is a pretty good place with a lot of cool stuff to promote itself, its music, literature, history, archaeology, mythology etc but instead we choose to promote the crapest aspects of it and end up with a leprechaun museum

Yeah I think the flag becomes more associated with the place rather than the other way round. As you say US flag with New York etc....

KnifeWRENCH · 18-01-2011 04:49PM

In season one of Skins, the character Chris had a jacket that had all the flags of the world on it. Can't find a pic but that was a seriously awesome jacket and I really wish I could find one for myself.

And I'd agree with what others said; that the flag isn't really as marketable as others because of that whole unfortunate "UP THE RA" connotation. It's a shame, because I really like our flag.

fontanalis · 18-01-2011 05:38PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Green White and Gold

thems the colours of the flag.

Really? What's the gold for; Kerrygold?

sensibleken · 18-01-2011 05:39PM

Cook my sock wrote: »

what about all the aul lads with the tricolour tattooed on them? think of them before ya start designing stuff!

I worked in a tattoo studio for years and only ever saw green, fleshcolour and orange tricolours

Cook my sock · 18-01-2011 05:41PM

sensibleken wrote: »

I worked in a tattoo studio for years and only ever saw green, fleshcolour and orange tricolours

This is a good point, but white ink is becoming popular :pac:

fontanalis · 18-01-2011 05:45PM

sensibleken wrote: »

I worked in a tattoo studio for years and only ever saw green, fleshcolour and orange tricolours

Is it true green is one of the most difficut colours to remove?

TheGodBen · 18-01-2011 06:39PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Green White and Gold

thems the colours of the flag.

The Constitution of Ireland disagrees with you, please consult article 7.

Psychedelic · 18-01-2011 06:57PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

The very first Irish tri-colour flag was flown over the headquarters of Thomas Frances Meagher at 33 The Mall in Waterford on the 1st March in 1848.

http://www.1848tricolour.com/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/1848-Tricolour-Celebration/169471086429326

Taking place on the 5th and 6th March 2011, the 1848 Tricolour Celebration will comprise of an evening of entertainment on Saturday the 5th and an official flag raising ceremony on Sunday the 6th. The flag raising ceremony will be attended by national and international officials, and high profile guests.

6th · 20-01-2011 12:39AM

sensibleken wrote: »

Ireland is a pretty good place with a lot of cool stuff to promote itself, its music, literature, history, archaeology, mythology etc but instead we choose to promote the crapest aspects of it and end up with a leprechaun museum

Which is actually a museum of Folklore, Mythology and Storytelling.

theboss80 · 20-01-2011 12:52AM

iMax wrote: »

^

Here's something I knocked together in 10 minutes, I'm not a design student & didn't put too much thought into it.
Flag.jpg
I'm not sure what the exact colour palette is supposed to be (although I think it should be modified). I've taken the stripes & turned them sideways & added a triskelion as a symbol of our heritage (it also represents the past, the present & the future). It probably resembles some African dictatorship's flag - irony huh?

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Yerra getaway outta that......:eek:

Zon · 20-01-2011 02:43AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Not many of them though, lets be honest. The majority of Protestants live in Northern Ireland.

What are you ? King Troll or Lord Windup Merchant or some sh*t like that ? I shudder every time a read a post of yours. All you ever do is talk of Protestant this & Catholic that. You do realise we're actually in the 21st century don't you ? Don't you see ?

Catholic = Answer

Protestant = Answer

Therefor Catholic & Protestant = Answer

___________________________

Ireland = Answer

Europe = Answer

Earth = Answer

Image

And again

And again

One more

Can't we all just get along ?

KeithAFC · 20-01-2011 04:59AM

Don't follow the discussions then. Don't like something being said? Bring something to the discussion and debate it. There is lots of discussion on this forum regarding politics, religion and sometimes both put together.

barryd09 · 21-01-2011 03:00AM

someone please ring joe duffy and bring this argument up tomorrow.

Poor Uncle Tom · 21-01-2011 09:17AM

Psychedelic wrote: »

http://www.1848tricolour.com/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/1848-Tricolour-Celebration/169471086429326

It may be celebrated on the 5th and 6th of March but in 1848 the flag had then moved to Clonmel. It was first unfurled on a flagpole on the 1st March in Waterford.

kowloon · 21-01-2011 09:59AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again; 'A blue duck on a white background'.

carfiosaoorl · 21-01-2011 04:46PM

Gah I would hate to see our flag marketed. Whenever we go to spain (for example) you see people everywhere wearing union jacks on tee-shirts, shorts, bikini's, towels every f-ing where. Its so gross and tacky and shows no respect for your flag imo:rolleyes:

goose2005 · 21-01-2011 05:01PM

This was Irelands original flag

Marketing the tri-colour

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