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Marketing the tri-colour

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭number10a


    The very first Irish tri-colour flag was flown over the headquarters of Thomas Frances Meagher at 33 The Mall in Waterford on the 1st March in 1848.

    Found this bit on Wikipedia lately about where the flag came from:

    "Presented as a gift in 1848 to Thomas Francis Meagher from a small group of French women sympathetic to the Irish cause"

    Thought that was really interesting!!

    Source (second paragraph)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Trog


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    What is the point? The majority of Protestants in Ireland don't agree with what the Tri colour represents anyway.

    The majority of Irish protestants don't agree with peace between Catholic and Protestants? Where did you pluck this wonderfully accurate statistic from?

    It's more of a symbol for the Catholic and Protestant classes. Instead of Protestant landowners siding with the british and ****ting all over their poorer countrymen that flag represents the aim of unity in society. They used Catholic and Protestant in their rhetoric, but that's because they were inseperable from what they really represented- wealth and lack thereof, or status. That's the true essence of all this 1916 schtuff anyway, and how it should be read, not just 'they're this religion so they're the (traditional) enemy'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    theboss80 wrote: »
    Where exactly are you getting this information from? just because a certain religous minority doesnt like what a clour on our national flag is meant to represent you want the state to change it?
    Wasn't there a census in 2006 in the republic that only 6% live in the republic?

    And yeah. I mean, would the republic flag not be better and represent the majority of the people with a harp or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    The majority of Irish protestants don't agree with peace between Catholic and Protestants?
    Thats the problem. The majority of Protestants don't see it as a flag which represents them or a flag which represents peace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    We need to get a new flag and new colours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭number10a


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Wasn't there a census in 2006 in the republic that only 6% live in the republic?

    And yeah. I mean, would the republic flag not be better and represent the majority of the people with a harp or something?

    Any Protestants that I know in the Republic are very proud of being Irish and don't identify with being anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Trog


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Wasn't there a census in 2006 in the republic that only 6% live in the republic?

    And yeah. I mean, would the republic flag not be better and represent the majority of the people with a harp or something?

    Yeah, let's only represent the biggest current demographic of our society. In fact, let's just drop the flag and have a link to the 'Ireland' facebook page. Most people in Ireland use facebook.


    Hmm? History? Culture? What are those, the new indie band that I'm supposed to like?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Our forefathers fought for that flag, but they would have fought harder if it had 3 wolves on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Trog


    We need to get a new flag and new colours.

    I know... we'll invent a NEW colour. With blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the blackjack and the colour.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Trog wrote: »
    Yeah, let's only represent the biggest current demographic of our society. In fact, let's just drop the flag and have a link to the 'Ireland' facebook page. Most people in Ireland use facebook.


    Hmm? History? Culture? What are those, the new indie band that I'm supposed to like?
    Why not? The Orange on the tri colour doesn't look right. Like some one said in the thread. You need a new flag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭theboss80


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Wasn't there a census in 2006 in the republic that only 6% live in the republic?

    And yeah. I mean, would the republic flag not be better and represent the majority of the people with a harp or something?


    So change the flag to appease 6% of the population?. I know plenty of protestants and it has never come up in conversation as something that irritates them.

    And the harp on the original flag came from Brian Boru's harp, the high king of Ireland, who represented the four kingdoms of Ireland, unfortunately POLLITICALLY there are only three kingdoms within the republic so using that flag would not be possible i think.

    Im sure it will again some time in the future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Bollox to this, there's nothing wrong with it.
    Do you really think if given the chance the Irish would come up with a better one, we're so PC mad, it would have every-other flag of the world on it so we don't offend anyone:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Stromecek


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Thats the problem. The majority of Protestants don't see it as a flag which represents them or a flag which represents peace.

    I don't know what you'll do when Scotland ultimately abdicates the union and declares independence,
    perhaps your stale and ultimately self defeating culture, worshipping the British identity will have to come to terms with living on the island of Ireland
    peacefully with your fellow inhabitants and acknowledging the aspiration of the Irish tricolour. Tainted in your view or not.
    Although I probably think when the moment arrives a review of symbols would be in order.
    A bit serious for after hours perhaps, I admit :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    They are right. I don't believe the Tri colour means much to the majority of Protestants on the island.

    Maybe not to those in the North but judging from friends of mine that are Protestant and Irish in Cork it means as much to them as to the rest of us


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Maybe not to those in the North but judging from friends of mine that are Protestant and Irish in Cork it means as much to them as to the rest of us
    Not many of them though, lets be honest. The majority of Protestants live in Northern Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Back to the op's question, why market the flag when we have leprechaun's ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Not many of them though, lets be honest. The majority of Protestants live in Northern Ireland.

    True I think in the last census it was less then 6 percent between Church of Ireland, Methodist and Presbyterian but there was a big chunk of people who didnt put down a religion. These people have made a big contribution to pretty much every aspect of our nation and I cant understand why you (Whom I take to be a Northern Unionist) think we should slight them by removing their representation from the flag?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Not many of them though, lets be honest. The majority of Protestants live in Northern Ireland.

    different country. why would they want a foreign flag to represent them?

    and as for marketing the flag differently, if that would mean some girl in a half arsed girl band wearing a dress like ginger spice did with the union flag, then i'm quite happy with it the way it is now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭some_dose


    [Rant]

    Every single goddammed time there is a discussion about Ireland/the state of Ireland (as in the entity) or something relating to Irish people, it always, always, always ends up as Prodestants v Catholics. Christ on a fcuking bike - get over it and move the shag on. I'm as nationalist as the next person but this thread is about "Marketing the tri-colour" - not on "What the tri-colour stands for and the entire rehashed history of this nation". Not to back seat mod but I'm sure people are getting sick of others derailing threads by harking on with the same old shite each time.

    [/Rant]

    In relation to OP's question, I don't know why it isn't better marketed. The Union Jack is synonymous with fashion in some repects and the US flag and Russian/Cuba flags are used quite widely. It'd be cool to see the tri-colour used more often but maybe it's just that it's too boring a flag? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    some_dose wrote: »
    In relation to OP's question, I don't know why it isn't better marketed. The Union Jack is synonymous with fashion in some repects and the US flag and Russian/Cuba flags are used quite widely. It'd be cool to see the tri-colour used more often but maybe it's just that it's too boring a flag? :confused:

    It would cheapen it for me if it was on some perfume skangers throw on themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭some_dose


    It would cheapen it for me if it was on some perfume skangers throw on themselves.

    Good point. The flag is already cheapened enough come Paddy's Day. It would need to be marketed tastefully.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Thats the problem. The majority of Protestants don't see it as a flag which represents them or a flag which represents peace.

    They see me trollin...they hatin!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Trog wrote: »
    The majority of Irish protestants don't agree with peace between Catholic and Protestants? Where did you pluck this wonderfully accurate statistic from?

    It's more of a symbol for the Catholic and Protestant classes. Instead of Protestant landowners siding with the british and ****ting all over their poorer countrymen that flag represents the aim of unity in society.

    Forget religion!

    The flag was meant to unite the two main traditions on the island, don't confuse religion with the Green & Orange traditions on the flag.
    Many Protestants in Ireland (North & South) are not of the Orange tradition, and they may 'or may not' identify with the Tricolour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    It's not a cool flag.
    never mind the meaning of the colours.
    but green? meh
    white - bland
    orange - yuk

    There should be a design a new flag competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,974 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    stoneill wrote: »
    It's not a cool flag.
    never mind the meaning of the colours.
    but green? meh
    white - bland
    orange - yuk

    There should be a design a new flag competition.

    I'd agree with everything until your last sentence.

    The colours are awful, particularly the orange. It is never going to win a pretty flag competition. Compare the use of the green, white and red on the Ferrari cars to the green, white and orange on the Fianna Fail logo.

    But the point of a flag is not to be attractive. It's to establish an identity which the Tricolour does. Unfortunately it has been used in the North flying from lampposts to mark territory, like a dog cocking its leg.

    If the Union Flag or Star Spangled Banner did not have such political connotations, you would probably think they are pretty cool. I think that the Brazilian flag is cool but you'll probably find Bolivians or Uruguayans whose stomach it turns just to see it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    Perhaps the colours used to present a message of peace between religions, but at this stage it just means Ireland. And Ireland means it. They are interminably linked and its too late to change (not that I'd want to, mind).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    theboss80 wrote: »
    Green white and orange

    Thinks thats
    Green - Catholic
    White - Peace
    Orange - Protestant

    Open to correction, original flag was all green

    Green= nationalist
    white=the arctic
    Orange=Loyalists
    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    number10a wrote: »
    Any Protestants that I know in the Republic are very proud of being Irish and don't identify with being anything else.

    The majority of protestants in the Republic probably wouldn't identify with the colour Orange though.

    In reality, the majority of the Anglo Irish wouldn't have identified with Orange either.

    It is a nice sentiment the Orange and green, but I've heard it is a bit of ah urban myth.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Green White and Gold

    thems the colours of the flag.


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