Marketing the tri-colour

iMax · 17-01-2011 11:35PM #1

Over several beers (where else would you have such a discussion), we were discussing the "iconic" flags of the world, America, UK, Japan, Switzerland, Canada, Norway even.

All these flags can be marketed in many ways, roof of a mini, faceplate of a guitar etc. But the tricolour... it's a bit lacking in that way.

It's usually the green that's taken out of the flag, muted a bit & then stylised (so not really using the flag then).

Although these aren't too bad:
nike-dunk-low-premium-sb-eire-edition-net-deep-orange-1.jpg
Superman_Ireland_Green_Shirt2.jpg

More often than not you get something like this:
Irish Flag T-shirt.jpg
irish_flag_swimwear_05.jpg

(did nobody explain to the designer what happens when white material gets wet?)

So is it just down to marketing or is it the fact that we have a ****ty flag that it can't be used in the same way ?

Wolfe Tone · 17-01-2011 11:37PM

iMax wrote: »

Over several beers (where else would you have such a discussion), we were discussing the "iconic" flags of the world, America, UK, Japan, Switzerland, Canada, Norway even.

All these flags can be marketed in many ways, roof of a mini, faceplate of a guitar etc. But the tricolour... it's a bit lacking in that way.

It's usually the green that's taken out of the flag, muted a bit & then stylised (so not really using the flag then).

Although these aren't too bad:
nike-dunk-low-premium-sb-eire-edition-net-deep-orange-1.jpg
Superman_Ireland_Green_Shirt2.jpg

More often than not you get something like this:
Irish Flag T-shirt.jpg
irish_flag_swimwear_05.jpg

(did nobody explain to the designer what happens when white material gets wet?)

So is it just down to marketing or is it the fact that we have a ****ty flag that it can't be used in the same way ?

I dare say people are afraid people will think they are big RA heads if they have tricolours plastered on themselves any time other than paddys day.

Captain Darling · 17-01-2011 11:38PM

Tri-colour bog roll.

iMax · 17-01-2011 11:39PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I dare say people are afraid people will think they are big RA heads if they have tricolours plastered on themselves any time other than paddys day.

Actually that was a point that was made. The only time Irish people have pride in their flag is if there's an international football match on, or they're IRA.

fontanalis · 17-01-2011 11:40PM

Green white and orange or green, white and gold.

BOHtox · 17-01-2011 11:40PM

You don't know man.......you weren't there!

theboss80 · 18-01-2011 12:04AM

fontanalis wrote: »

Green white and orange or green, white and gold.

Green white and orange

Thinks thats
Green - Catholic
White - Peace
Orange - Protestant

Open to correction, original flag was all green

RichieC · 18-01-2011 12:06AM

I find it tacky, not Ireland in particular, just flags on cloths in general.

I do tend to associate it with the worst kind of nationalism, be it up the ra types or fascist fat head yanks/ skinhead BNP types.

fontanalis · 18-01-2011 12:08AM

theboss80 wrote: »

Green white and orange

Thinks thats
Green - Catholic
White - Peace
Orange - Protestant

Open to correction, original flag was all green

Yeah, it's just the green, white and gold does my head in as it's meaningless.
There were a few flags around; St Patricks cross, white back ground with diagonal red cross (appears in Union Jack) and the green one with harp.

mehfesto · 18-01-2011 12:08AM

theboss80 wrote: »

Green white and orange

Thinks thats
Green - Catholic
White - Peace
Orange - Protestant

Open to correction, original flag was all green

I was told that was all bollocks years ago by two history teachers. That our flag is really meaningless. Makes sense your way, but I was all a post-construction we were told.

mgmt · 18-01-2011 12:13AM

mehfesto wrote: »

I was told that was all bollocks years ago by two history teachers. That our flag is really meaningless. Makes sense your way, but I was all a post-construction we were told.

The symbolism of the flag is meaningless now. The IRA have forever tarnished the peaceful meanings of the flag.

User Friendly · 18-01-2011 12:13AM

theboss80 wrote: »

Green white and orange

Thinks thats
Green - Catholic
White - Peace
Orange - Protestant

Open to correction, original flag was all green

Thats not what the colours of he flag stand for.

Latchy · 18-01-2011 12:15AM

Originally Posted by theboss80
Green white and orange

Thinks thats
Green - Catholic
White - Peace
Orange - Protestant

^ This but also remember to the white being a refered to as a symbol of the republic .

fontanalis · 18-01-2011 12:15AM

User Friendly wrote: »

Thats not what the colours of he flag stand for.

Is the green and orange at least not meant to represent the two different cultures?

theboss80 · 18-01-2011 12:16AM

User Friendly wrote: »

Thats not what the colours of he flag stand for.

Fair enough but if you are going to correct me then give an explanation as to whta it does stand for?

smk89 · 18-01-2011 12:17AM

Captain Darling wrote: »

Tri-colour bog roll.

Orange and green cheeks with a white hole.
(I'm assuming it would be made in china and the colours would run

mgmt · 18-01-2011 12:17AM

theboss80 wrote: »

Fair enough but if you are going to correct me then give an explanation as to whta it does stand for?

The green represents the older Gaelic and Anglo-Norman element in the population, while the orange represents the Protestant planter stock, supporters of William of Orange. The meaning of the white was well expressed by Meagher when he introduced the flag. 'The white in the centre', he said, 'signifies a lasting truce between the 'Orange' and the 'Green' and I trust that beneath its folds the hands of the Irish Protestant and the Irish Catholic may be clasped in heroic brotherhood.'

http://www.ireland-embassy.com.my/index.asp?id=8&page=about_dynamic_d

squod · 18-01-2011 12:18AM

mgmt wrote: »

The symbolism of the flag is meaningless now. The IRA have forever tarnished the peaceful meanings of the flag.

Stop.

My name is URL · 18-01-2011 12:19AM

This would be a far cooler flag

boobs are definitely marketable

Poor Uncle Tom · 18-01-2011 12:20AM

The very first Irish tri-colour flag was flown over the headquarters of Thomas Frances Meagher at 33 The Mall in Waterford on the 1st March in 1848.

KeithAFC · 18-01-2011 12:20AM

mehfesto wrote: »

I was told that was all bollocks years ago by two history teachers. That our flag is really meaningless. Makes sense your way, but I was all a post-construction we were told.

They are right. I don't believe the Tri colour means much to the majority of Protestants on the island.

KeithAFC · 18-01-2011 12:22AM

mgmt wrote: »

The symbolism of the flag is meaningless now. The IRA have forever tarnished the peaceful meanings of the flag.

Agree. I wish the Republic would take the Orange colour out of the Tri colour and put something else in.

theboss80 · 18-01-2011 12:22AM

mgmt wrote: »

http://www.ireland-embassy.com.my/index.asp?id=8&page=about_dynamic_d

so ....basically what i said

theboss80 · 18-01-2011 12:24AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Agree. I wish the Republic would take the Orange colour out of the Tri colour and put something else in.

why?

LordSutch · 18-01-2011 12:26AM

The Tricolour is meant to represent the unity of the Green & the Orange traditions on this island, with white representing peace between the two traditions. The flag is an 'aspirational flag', meaning it has yet to achieve its true meaning (unity between the two).

The odd time you hear gold (instead of orange) being mentioned, dunno what that is

mgmt · 18-01-2011 12:27AM

LordSutch wrote: »

The Tricolour is meant to represent the unity of the Green & the Orange traditions on this island, with white representing peace between the two.

The odd time you hear gold (instead of orange) being mentioned, dunno what that is

That would be the same bigots who refer to Ireland as 'the Free State'.

KeithAFC · 18-01-2011 12:31AM

theboss80 wrote: »

why?

What is the point? The majority of Protestants in Ireland don't agree with what the Tri colour represents anyway.

Daroxtar · 18-01-2011 12:31AM

You need something cool, slick and sexy to appeal to the masses

theboss80 · 18-01-2011 12:32AM

LordSutch wrote: »

The odd time you hear gold (instead of orange) being mentioned, dunno what that is

It original flag was all green with a gold harp on it

theboss80 · 18-01-2011 12:34AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

What is the point? The majority of Protestants in Ireland don't agree with what the Tri colour represents anyway.

Where exactly are you getting this information from? just because a certain religous minority doesnt like what a clour on our national flag is meant to represent you want the state to change it?

squod · 18-01-2011 12:36AM

theboss80 wrote: »

It original flag was all green with a gold harp on it

Our new one is awful

Marketing the tri-colour

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