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TUF 13: Lesnar V Dos Santos.

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  • #62
    Rickson1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Rickson1


    Mellor wrote: »
    Almost every fighter has separate coaches for boxing/mt/wrestling/bjj
    Brock would be top calss as a wrestling coach imo.

    Plus the fact that you suggested Chael Sonnen pretty much ruins any point you were trying to make.
    Maybe next season on TUF:Inmates

    Yeah, are we gonna watch the fighters shoot singles and doubles all season with Brock coaching then?

    I watch TUF because I like seeing how they train and then the fights. Doesn't hurt to have a few laughs/arguements in it either., which Chael would guarantee.

    And yes, Edgar is boring, personality wise and the way he fights. He might be the lightweight champ, but that doesn't mean you/we have to like him.


  • #63
    [Deleted User]
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    hisholinessnb wrote: »
    People would watch Edgar no problem, Maynard is dull as dishwater.
    If you are just watching for the MMA and NOT the drama then thats fine, but you need to admit that this is a reality tv show and huge amounts of people watch for the interaction between characters as much as the fighting.

    If you are only watching for the MMA may I suggest while the other poster is watching Eastenders that you watch some reruns of actual MMA events.
    The people who enjoy both will continue watching TUF ;)

    Ratings matter but arguing about coaching choice just because of someones personality is a bit ott. We all seen last season where the unedited Koscheck scene was shown and it was a totally different story. I just can't wait until the Discussion thread begins and people can say "Lesnar is such a cnut" or "what a prick" when the acting begins, they'll be the same people who've posted about coaching selections.
    And thanks yeah I'll continue watching re-runs of MMA events without the drama associated.


  • #64
    hisholinessnb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 535 ✭✭✭hisholinessnb


    "Ratings matter but bitching about coaching choice just because of someones personality is a bit ott"

    I'm not bitching about anything, just saying that from a personality point of view, which matters in reality tv shows, Lesnar to me would be more entertaining than Maynard.

    "We all seen last season where the unedited Koscheck scene was shown and it was a totally different story. I just can't wait until the Discussion thread begins and people can say "Lesnar is such a cnut" or "what a prick" when the acting begins, they'll be the same people who've posted about coaching selections"

    I'm sure they will, Lesnar draws a lot of hatred on this site and probably always will.

    "And thanks yeah I'll continue watching re-runs of MMA events without the drama associated"

    Good man, yourself. I'll watch the live events, TUF, and then maybe even Eastenders :D


  • #65
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Mellor wrote: »
    Almost every fighter has separate coaches for boxing/mt/wrestling/bjj
    Brock would be top calss as a wrestling coach imo.

    Plus the fact that you suggested Chael Sonnen pretty much ruins any point you were trying to make.
    Maybe next season on TUF:Inmates

    what do you know about wrestling? There are very ppl tha can move like Brock lesnar and he's relatively in experienced in mma. brock will certainly bring a wrestling coach.


  • #66
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,429 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Rickson1 wrote: »
    Yeah, are we gonna watch the fighters shoot singles and doubles all season with Brock coaching then?

    I watch TUF because I like seeing how they train and then the fights. Doesn't hurt to have a few laughs/arguements in it either., which Chael would guarantee.
    No of course not. Very few of the interesting parts of TUF are the actual training. Also, what is shown of the training is very little of the over training plan.

    You are missing the point about Chael, I don't doubt he would be funny. but your suggestion that he should of been chosen is nonsense.

    He has just pleaded guilty to a federal charge of money laundering, he may not be associated with UFC ever again.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    what do you know about wrestling? There are very ppl tha can move like Brock lesnar and he's relatively in experienced in mma. brock will certainly bring a wrestling coach.
    What exactly is your point?
    I know very little about wrestling, when compared to the worlds experts.
    The fact that Brock would bring an wrestling coach further strengthens my point, that the "coaches" knowledge isn't a definitive guide*. Brock has limit MMA experience, but surely his huge competing exp in wrestling has some positives for contestants.

    *eg. GSP from the latest season. Fairly big MMA exp, top level in multiple disiplines, his stiking is excellant (Kos fight showes that), yet he still had a striking coach brought in.


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  • #67
    Sid_Justice
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    My point is you said Brock would be a top class wrestling coach, and you seem to have no rationale for that other than a vague idea that Brock lesnar was a successful NCAA wrestler.

    Having some what you consider common sense but no actual domain knowledge might result in people making a lot of assumptions that aren't actually very true or realistic.


  • #68
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,429 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I see what you mean, actual ability doesn't equal coaching ability. (Messi might be the best footballer in the world, but could lack any ability to pass on his talent) and of course this is true.

    I just personally think that his experience of years of competing has to be of benefit to guys starting off. (to be clear, i'd rate loads of guys up there and would consider their experience/knowledge invaluable)


  • #69
    Bodhidharma
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    I think it's a great move. Brock is arguably the promotion's biggest name, and tuf is used to get new fans involved. Its good for the company.

    As regards Brock's coaching ability and his technical skills i think thats secondary. If you look at the history of tuf the worst coaches were Rampage, BJ and Shamrock. All of these guys had far more experience, and probably skill, than Brock but didn't give a s**t about the fighters. On the other hand the best coaches were Tito, Chuck and Pulver, because they seemed to care about the fighters. They had coaches so all they had to do was pass on their experience.

    Likewise Couture was a good coach because he was well respected.

    I'm not saying Brock will be a good coach, i'm just saying his technical skills are only a part of it.


  • #70
    pablohoney87
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    If they really wanted the ratings would Brock and Mir not have been the obvious choices. Dos Santos' English is very poor. Theres no real bad blood between them. Nobody believes brock should get the title shot and everyone is already calling for the trilogy.


  • #71
    hisholinessnb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 535 ✭✭✭hisholinessnb


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Nobody believes brock should get the title

    Who is "giving" him a title shot?? He has to go out and earn it by defeating the current no1 contender (before the champs injury robbed him of that title) to get that.


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  • #72
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    If they really wanted the ratings would Brock and Mir not have been the obvious choices. Dos Santos' English is very poor. Theres no real bad blood between them. Nobody believes brock should get the title shot and everyone is already calling for the trilogy.

    yeah you're right, never copped that myself. mir and lesnar would be a far better call. i think jds is going to run through brock but i'm still doubtful about mir.


  • #73
    Noffles
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    Brock is hopeless and has proved twice that he does not like getting hit in the face, hopefully he wont train his team like that...

    I'll watch it but I'll probably not enjoy it as much as some of the others.


  • #74
    [Deleted User]
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    Junior actually has pretty good English. Probably the best from Black House apart from Munoz and the Nog's :p


  • #75
    3hn2givr7mx1sc
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    Noffles wrote: »
    Brock is hopeless and has proved twice that he does not like getting hit in the face, hopefully he wont train his team like that...

    I'll watch it but I'll probably not enjoy it as much as some of the others.

    He was the UFC champion not so long ago, so he's hardly hopeless.
    Who enjoys getting boxed in the face?:confused:


  • #76
    [Deleted User]
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    baz2009 wrote: »
    Who enjoys getting boxed in the face?:confused:

    Agree :pac: but I think the poster meant he tends to flinch away from the blows whereas a comfortable striker would tuck his chin down and take it.


  • #77
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,992 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    baz2009 wrote: »
    He was the UFC champion not so long ago, so he's hardly hopeless.
    Who enjoys getting boxed in the face?:confused:

    I wouldn't say Brock doesn't enjoy getting hit in the face, i think he's scared/terrified of getting hit in the face


  • #78
    Noffles
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    scudzilla wrote: »
    I wouldn't say Brock doesn't enjoy getting hit in the face, i think he's scared/terrified of getting hit in the face

    I have to agree with this, never before have I seen a champion backpeddle so much covering up tryin not to get hit...


  • #79
    Noffles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Agree :pac: but I think the poster meant he tends to flinch away from the blows whereas a comfortable striker would tuck his chin down and take it.

    I did yes but also that Brock seems particularly afraid of it... and for a heavyweight your gonna get hit in the face... HARD!!


  • #80
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    hisholinessnb wrote: »
    Who is "giving" him a title shot?? He has to go out and earn it by defeating the current no1 contender (before the champs injury robbed him of that title) to get that.
    They're going to fight for the interim title.
    Joe as far as his english goes its pretty poor. Take into account the heated situations everyone wants to see brock cause.
    The black house members can all speak english ok(ish) when they have a promo camera on them or have prepared a post fight response,
    Nog's English skills were blamed for how bland the series with him and mir was. As well as the fact that there was no bad feelings between them. As much as I like Mir he talks too much which would have made for great viewing against brock. I just see the season being quite boring no matter how much of a c0ck Brock gets told to come across as.


  • #81
    Jayo_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Jayo_M


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    They're going to fight for the interim title.

    Pretty sure they're not. Anything I've read/heard is that it's for the #1 contenders spot.


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  • #82
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    Jayo_M wrote: »
    Pretty sure they're not. Anything I've read/heard is that it's for the #1 contenders spot.
    If thats true my mistake. But I heard it was an interim title shot because JDS didnt wanna give up his title shot.


  • #83
    the_doctor199
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    I'm a little suspicious about this. I'm no body language expert, but Dana is clearly not telling the full story in the interview with Ariel. I guess we'll see in the next few months..


  • #84
    jayteecork
    Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    Sorry if this has been mentioned on the thread already but are they going to be actually coaching other heavyweights?

    If so, it will probably suck. The heavyweights with Rashad angainst Rampage was awful - awful awful fights.


  • #85
    Jayo_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Jayo_M


    jayteecork wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been mentioned on the thread already but are they going to be actually coaching other heavyweights?

    If so, it will probably suck. The heavyweights with Rashad angainst Rampage was awful - awful awful fights.

    Nah man, they're coaching welterweights.


  • #86
    Evil_Clown
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    Lesnar TUF 13 interview, comes accross pretty well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4dpEAntdZ0


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