Is it our right to reproduce a child and can/should it be taken from you?

Lord Trollington · 17-01-2011 11:05AM #1

Should there any scenario whereby your right to reproduce should be taken from you?

Kids who dont ask to be brought into the world being born into famalies where they are given no chance at a decent life.

Kids born with parents that are Serial reoffenders constantly in and out of jail , alcohol and substance abusers , rapists and murders.

Is it our right to reproduce regardless of how fit of parents we are or whether we can provide any sort of life for the child?

FatherLen · 17-01-2011 11:10AM

why so serious?................................this is ah

yes anyone can have babies and nobody can stop them. except the chinese.....

wild_cat · 17-01-2011 11:11AM

After watching a group of 10 year olds break in the back window of a car the other evening I think so.

JohnathanM · 17-01-2011 11:14AM

Something needs to be done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo

curlzy · 17-01-2011 11:15AM

Have you been reading Mein Kampf???

smk89 · 17-01-2011 11:33AM

Speaking as a 21 year old a vasectomy now and the reverse later when,if I decide to have kids later would be good.
But yes the would would be better if only the great could procreate, but then who would we feel superior to.

Iwannahurl · 17-01-2011 11:33AM

Or this classic paper.

"Mutual Coercion Mutually Agreed Upon."

Coriolanus · 17-01-2011 11:49AM

I've given up on my support for a sterilization at birth program and now support the introduction of an agent into the water, the cure for which will be handed out to those passing a basic parenting/genetic fitness test.

In other words, no, you don't have a right to a child and of should be denied to anyone whp can't live up to the responsibility.

Sanjuro · 17-01-2011 11:51AM

How exactly are you supposed to police the whole reproduction scenario you propose?

bonerm · 17-01-2011 11:52AM

curlzy wrote: »

Have you been reading Mein Kampf???

Mein Kampf for some , Action T4 for others.....

CreepingDeath · 17-01-2011 11:54AM

Nevore wrote: »

I've given up on my support for a sterilization at birth program and now support the introduction of an agent into the water

That's what the flouride is for.

Coriolanus · 17-01-2011 11:54AM

bonerm wrote: »

Mein Kampf for some , Action T4 for others.....

What's action t4?

scientific1982 · 17-01-2011 11:56AM

Some people shouldnt have kids. Most of the problems in our society are due to ****ty parenting. If you're not going to raise your kids properly, then close your fvcking legs.

Coriolanus · 17-01-2011 12:02PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

That's what the flouride is for.

It's not working. Anyway, I thought it was something else. Wasn't the us army putting something in the barrwcks water for years?

Sanjuro wrote: »

How exactly are you supposed to police the whole reproduction scenario you propose?

We'll need a secret police force to make sure everyone is drinking enough water to make them infertile and to crack down on the inevitable black market in the cure. They'll need unlimited powers of search and seizure too, to find and confiscate any illegally conceived children. I like brown shirts for the uniform, what do you think?

Sanjuro · 17-01-2011 12:02PM

scientific1982 wrote: »

Some people shouldnt have kids. Most of the problems in our society are due to ****ty parenting. If you're not going to raise your kids properly, then close your fvcking legs.

I don't think the thought of kids is the main motivation for a lot of legs being spread.

scientific1982 · 17-01-2011 12:09PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

I don't think the thought of kids is the main motivation for a lot of legs being spread.

Ah but it is subconsciously.

reallyrose · 17-01-2011 12:09PM

So, how will this decision be reached?

Let's say we start off with only allowing those with a good job to reproduce. Seems sensible, right? If you have a job, you can provide for your child.
Hmm, but then the mother will be off work for a good while after the birth, and maternity benefits don't really cover all the expenses associated with a new baby...

Ok, you need to have a decent amount of savings and a good job in order to be allowed to breed.

Perfect.

Wait, how about health? Doesn't matter how much money you have, no point in having an unhealthy baby...

Right, only the healthy can have children. Healthy people with a good job and savings.

See, it seems like a good idea. Only allow those who can take care of a child to have children but how could it be done?

Should there be compulsary abortions for 'unsuitable' women who become pregnant? Or just tie everyones tubes and you can apply to have them untied?

Penn · 17-01-2011 12:14PM

Everyone should be allowed to have children. Just not everyone should be allowed to be parents

FreudianSlippers · 17-01-2011 12:17PM

Yes, children can be taken away and often are.

As for actually getting pregnant and having a child, I believe you should have to get a licence before you have a baby. You should be means tested and if you don't get the licence, you aren't prevented from having a baby but you cannot receive any social welfare benefits for said child until such a time that you get the licence... and there's no back-dating either!

Dacelonid · 17-01-2011 12:22PM

Nevore wrote: »

What's action t4?

http://tinyurl.com/6kd8l4o

iPlop · 17-01-2011 12:23PM

OisinT wrote: »

Yes, children can be taken away and often are.

As for actually getting pregnant and having a child, I believe you should have to get a licence before you have a baby. You should be means tested and if you don't get the licence, you aren't prevented from having a baby but you cannot receive any social welfare benefits for said child until such a time that you get the licence... and there's no back-dating either!

I totally agree with this.And also is you don't have any means of supporting the child you don't get a licence either.There are certain groups in society that need to be sterilized as well

smk89 · 17-01-2011 12:24PM

reallyrose wrote: »

So, how will this decision be reached?

Let's say we start off with only allowing those with a good job to reproduce. Seems sensible, right? If you have a job, you can provide for your child.
Hmm, but then the mother will be off work for a good while after the birth, and maternity benefits don't really cover all the expenses associated with a new baby...

Ok, you need to have a decent amount of savings and a good job in order to be allowed to breed.

Perfect.

Wait, how about health? Doesn't matter how much money you have, no point in having an unhealthy baby...

Right, only the healthy can have children. Healthy people with a good job and savings.

See, it seems like a good idea. Only allow those who can take care of a child to have children but how could it be done?

Should there be compulsary abortions for 'unsuitable' women who become pregnant? Or just tie everyones tubes and you can apply to have them untied?

The acid test should be have you ever been on the Jeremy Kyle show?
If yes, your child is taken away... and your shot

ebixa82 · 17-01-2011 12:24PM

The section of society I genuinely feel should not be allowed reproduce are drug addicts. Yes everyone should be entitled to be parents but nobody should be allowed give birth to a drug addicted child as a result of their parents drug abuse.

This could be most easily achieved by offering the parents some (addictive drug of choice) for a sterilisation jab/implant etc. Highly unethical but there you go...

hondasam · 17-01-2011 12:42PM

OisinT wrote: »

Yes, children can be taken away and often are.

As for actually getting pregnant and having a child, I believe you should have to get a licence before you have a baby. You should be means tested and if you don't get the licence, you aren't prevented from having a baby but you cannot receive any social welfare benefits for said child until such a time that you get the licence... and there's no back-dating either!

That like saying only poor people make bad parents. children from wealthy parents often turn out bad also.

would you make wealthy people apply for this licence also ?

curlzy · 17-01-2011 12:48PM

scientific1982 wrote: »

Some people shouldnt have kids. Most of the problems in our society are due to ****ty parenting. If you're not going to raise your kids properly, then close your fvcking legs.

Are you trying to say only women are ****ty parents?:mad: Why is it not up to men to raise their kids properly?

iPlop · 17-01-2011 12:50PM

hondasam wrote: »

That like saying only poor people make bad parents. children from wealthy parents often turn out bad also.

would you make wealthy people apply for this licence also ?

Of course ,it should be a standard test to see if you can afford to support the child ,make sure you're not a drug addict etc...If you don't have the ability to do so ,you shouldn't be allowed or you can have a child but your on your own ,no benefits.Why should the tax payer pick up the tab?

hondasam · 17-01-2011 12:54PM

Sink The Banana wrote: »

Of course ,it should be a standard test to see if you can afford to support the child ,make sure you're not a drug addict etc...If you don't have the ability to do so ,you shouldn't be allowed or you can have a child but your on your own ,no benefits.Why should the tax payer pick up the tab?

Like I said been wealthy does not make you a good parent. You think every person who wants to be a parent should have a blood test to see if the use drugs.

what happens if you become poor or a drug addict when the child is born ?

TheZohanS · 17-01-2011 12:57PM

Anyone convicted of child abuse should be permanently sterilised.

mikom · 17-01-2011 12:57PM

hondasam wrote: »

what happens if you become poor or a drug addict when the child is born ?

You lose your licence and are banned from riding for 2 years.

hondasam · 17-01-2011 12:59PM

mikom wrote: »

You lose your licence and are banned from riding for 2 years.

excellent but 2 years

iPlop · 17-01-2011 01:03PM

hondasam wrote: »

Like I said been wealthy does not make you a good parent. You think every person who wants to be a parent should have a blood test to see if the use drugs.

what happens if you become poor or a drug addict when the child is born ?

A small section of people might ,but a test like this could stop people reproducing that really shouln't.It should be part of the school curriculum ,drilled into kids heads from an early age.DO WELL OR DIE ALONE

Is it our right to reproduce a child and can/should it be taken from you?

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