Micheala Hartes murder, suspects caught

macquarie · 15-01-2011 08:19PM

juma wrote: »

Well I never said God wanted her home. But death is a part of life. Something we all have to deal with. And when it happens in such tragic circumstances religion can be one of the few comforts for a family.

Fair enough, I believe religion actually does a lot more damage to society as a whole though. Those type of people are afraid to confront evil and even deny that it exists sometimes, which in turn leads to retarded jail sentences for serious crimes. If they knew their daughter's life was completely finished forever, and she wasn't now a spirit in some conceptual "heaven" - they (her family, the law-makers, police, judges and solicitors) would be a lot angrier (and rightly so) at the perpetrators and less likely to ever forgive them (rightly so again).

Ann22 · 15-01-2011 08:33PM

macquarie wrote: »

Fair enough, I believe religion actually does a lot more damage to society as a whole though. Those type of people are afraid to confront evil and even deny that it exists sometimes, which in turn leads to retarded jail sentences for serious crimes. If they knew their daughter's life was completely finished forever, and she wasn't now a spirit in some conceptual "heaven" - they (her family, the law-makers, police, judges and solicitors) would be a lot angrier (and rightly so) at the perpetrators and less likely to ever forgive them (rightly so again).[/QUOTE]

I really hope for their sakes that isn't the case. I don't want to argue with a whole bunch of people about whether there is a God or not.. Whether other posters believe or not is up to them personally...I just hope the family can believe that they will see Michaela again and that they get strength from somewhere to deal with their loss. My thoughts and prayers are with them. RIP Michaela.

juma · 15-01-2011 09:22PM

macquarie wrote: »

Fair enough, I believe religion actually does a lot more damage to society as a whole though. Those type of people are afraid to confront evil and even deny that it exists sometimes, which in turn leads to retarded jail sentences for serious crimes. If they knew their daughter's life was completely finished forever, and she wasn't now a spirit in some conceptual "heaven" - they (her family, the law-makers, police, judges and solicitors) would be a lot angrier (and rightly so) at the perpetrators and less likely to ever forgive them (rightly so again).

Comments like this is exactly why I hope none of the Harte family see this thread.

Why cant the Mods do the decent and respectful thing and just lock this thread; for the sake of Michaela's family and friends.

Pace2008 · 15-01-2011 09:43PM

juma wrote: »

Comments like this is exactly why I hope none of the Harte family see this thread.

Why cant the Mods do the decent and respectful thing and just lock this thread; for the sake of Michaela's family and friends.

Because there's nothing within the forum charter that says these kind of threads are unacceptable?

I lost my faith long ago and it hasn't made bereavement any less bearable. If anything the finality makes moving on easier. Try to understand that not everyone thinks like you.

The stuff that appears in 90% of threads here is going to upset some people, somewhere. If we stifled any and all discourse that could be construed as offensive to avoid stepping on peoples' toes we'd have ourselves a very quiet forum.

philcoroner · 16-01-2011 05:46PM

really sad, im literally just home from my honeymoon in mauritius, we were over there when it happened. needless to say it sent a ripple of paranoia when we heard she was murdered, and even more so when we heard it was hotel employees. and also that she was irish like ourselves. i woke up most nights after that with nightmares of it happening to my wife. it wasnt in our hotel, but the nearest one to us. we went on a trip a few days after the incident, and our coach was picking some people up from the hotel in question. the place was understandably swarming with heavy security, but the thing that annoyed me was the amount of papparazzi there. i can only imagine the sheer agony her husband must have felt over there on his own after the incident, and the thoughts of bringing his wife's body home must have been the worst thing imaginable, but to do it with the media and dozens of cameras in your face is just sickening. there's just no dignity anymore.
unfortunately, this incident will all but destroy mauritius' reputation as a safe place, which it most certainly is. this was an absolute one off incident, with everyone telling us the worst you can expect is an occasional pick pocket. other than tourism, it doesnt have much. these mindless people not only destroyed a beautiful family, but may also inadvertently destroy their own country. they should be locked away forever. such a heartbreaking story, and my heart goes out to the families of those involved.

Dionysus · 16-01-2011 09:00PM

I've said it recently, and I'll say it again: the North is the most positive thing about Ireland these days. The very fact of Martin McGuinness/Sinn Féin and Ian Paisley/the DUP sharing power is consistently impressive, surprising and, in the truest meaning of the word, awesome. I was thinking of how much things have changed for the good in the North when I read the following on the RTÉ website:

'.... Four of the most prominent members of the DUP, including party leader, Peter Robinson, went to the Harte home to pay their respects.
The others present were Enterprise Minister Arlene Foster, Culture Minister Nelson Mc Causland, and the party chairman Maurice Morrow, who is a Co Tyrone Assembly member.
They went to the wake house in the company of Sinn Féin's Martin Mc Guinness, Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister.
They spent more than half an hour paying their respects to the bereaved families....' (Michaela McAreavey wake takes place)

Things do change, and the North has changed. We are all living in historic times in the history of Ireland. I remember all of the above DUP members at various stages of their careers, and they had little kindness in their public statements and political positions regarding the nationalist community. I've nothing but respect for all of the above for the decency they've shown towards Michaela's family. This was an honourable thing to do, and through more than a single DUP representative coming it went far beyond tokenism. Utmost respect.

dan_d · 16-01-2011 10:19PM

Well said Dionysus.

It's a heartbreaking tragedy, and my heart goes out to her husband and family.
No matter what your religious or political beliefs are, the fact remains that this is absolutely tragic, and they deserve all the help and sympathy people can give them. Her poor husband is probably living with terrible guilt, even though he couldn't have done anything. Their hardest days lie ahead.My thoughts are with them all.

david75 · 17-01-2011 03:15AM

Apparently there's a whole lot more to this story and all of it pretty grim. Expect the tabloids to be having a field day during the week.

TeddyTedson · 17-01-2011 03:23AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Change OisinT's name to Columbo imo.

He's a great guy. My favorite mod too.

Run_to_da_hills · 17-01-2011 11:59AM

Mauritius Prime Minister backs the reintroduction of the death penalty since the murder.

http://www.newsnow.mu/NewsView.asp?NID=13548

FreudianSlippers · 17-01-2011 12:22PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Mauritius Prime Minister backs the reintroduction of the death penalty since the murder.

http://www.newsnow.mu/NewsView.asp?NID=13548

Interesting development, but I can't help but feel sceptical that these are anything but publicity stunts and ploys to ensure there is no major drain in the tourism income.

Tucking Fypo · 17-01-2011 04:05PM

Trust Sky News to be pouring the funeral pics all over the place.:mad:

Renn · 17-01-2011 04:11PM

Well if you're watching/checking their site then that's why.

hondasam · 17-01-2011 04:14PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

He's a great guy. My favorite mod too.

pass the sick bucket :pac:

prinz · 17-01-2011 04:15PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

No offence Ann but this kind of religious claptrap is not at all helpful.

It's helpful to a lot of people, always has been. It might mean nothing to you but is there a need for you to tell other people how to cope/grieve/attempt to understand something like this?

FreudianSlippers · 17-01-2011 04:15PM

Tucking Fypo wrote: »

Trust Sky News to be pouring the funeral pics all over the place.:mad:

Heard this morning that the family specifically requested that no funeral pics were made public?

That's pretty low of Sky News if that's the case!

Renn · 17-01-2011 04:17PM

RTE have them too fwiw.

Tucking Fypo · 17-01-2011 04:19PM

Renn wrote: »

Well if you're watching/checking their site then that's why.

Actually, it came up in my Google News.:mad:

jackiebaron · 17-01-2011 04:42PM

Gucky wrote: »

He reckoned it was a murder immediately when the news broke.

Hardly the revelation of the century. She was young, in good physical condition and on her honeymoon. It's a long shot to expect it to be natural causes or suicide, leaving only foul play as the cause of death.

FreudianSlippers · 17-01-2011 04:50PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Hardly the revelation of the century. She was young, in good physical condition and on her honeymoon. It's a long shot to expect it to be natural causes or suicide, leaving only foul play as the cause of death.

Wouldn't say a "long shot" really. Could have been any underlying condition physically or mentally that the public (or perhaps even herself) was not aware of.

I can smell murder from a mile away.

hondasam · 17-01-2011 05:10PM

how does the president decide which funeral's she will attend ? How high a profile do you have to have to merit her attendance.

Should everyone be treated the same or if this was not so tragic and a murder would she have attended at all.

Ash.J.Williams · 17-01-2011 05:12PM

hondasam wrote: »

how does the president decide which funeral's she will attend ? How high a profile do you have to have to merit her attendance.

Should everyone be treated the same or if this was not so tragic and a murder would she have attended at all.

she knows them

FreudianSlippers · 17-01-2011 05:18PM

hondasam wrote: »

how does the president decide which funeral's she will attend ? How high a profile do you have to have to merit her attendance.

Should everyone be treated the same or if this was not so tragic and a murder would she have attended at all.

Yeah usually I would have said that she shouldn't have gone, but I think there are some family connections there.

hondasam · 17-01-2011 05:27PM

OisinT wrote: »

Yeah usually I would have said that she shouldn't have gone, but I think there are some family connections there.

She did attend as President of Ireland. Who knows there is a family connecton.

hondasam · 17-01-2011 05:28PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

she knows them

says who ?

Renn · 17-01-2011 05:34PM

Where are you even going with this hondasam?

hondasam · 17-01-2011 05:37PM

Renn wrote: »

Where are you even going with this hondasam?

simple why attend certain funerals, what makes one person or family more important than others.

who decides which funeral she attends ?

menoscemo · 17-01-2011 05:39PM

hondasam wrote: »

says who ?

She comes from a few miles from where the McAreavys live in co Down. She would also know the Harte's through the GAA.

North_West_Art · 17-01-2011 05:41PM

hondasam wrote: »

says who ?

I shouldn't be bothering to comment on this, but I figure that the president would have had many an occasion to be in the company of the Harte family, All Ireland football final day three times, being one example

aidan24326 · 17-01-2011 05:56PM

North_West_Art wrote: »

I shouldn't be bothering to comment on this, but I figure that the president would have had many an occasion to be in the company of the Harte family, All Ireland football final day three times, being one example

You're quite right, she would have met the Harte family on a number of occasions, so people are being disingenuous to question her attendance.

There are plenty of reasons to find fault with Mary McAleese, this isn't one of them.

In general I don't know how she decides wat funerals to attend. It's a tricky one because when she attends (like today) people will question why. and when she doesn't they will also question why. So short of attending every funeral up and down the country she can't win really.