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Why does our health service suck so much ass?

  • 14-01-2011 06:09PM
    #1
    MagicMarker
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    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor.

    Can someone explain this to me? Why in 9.5 hours not a single doctor has a spare 10 minutes of his/her time to see a patient to ask a few basic questions? How overstretched is our health service that this is not possible?

    It's absolutely sickening tbh.


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  • #2
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Its a two teir system, far to many managers and pen pushers and not enough front line staff, what front line staff there is are stretched to the limit, and what money there was was being spent on free holidays supposed fact finding missions.

    And now, people are suffering becuase of it.

    Sorry for you and your mother MagicMarker, hopefully she is seen to soon.


  • #3
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor.

    Can someone explain this to me? Why in 9.5 hours not a single doctor has a spare 10 minutes of his/her time to see a patient to ask a few basic questions? How overstretched is our health service that this is not possible?

    It's absolutely sickening tbh.

    I'm not trying to be smart, but they're probably busy with other patients.
    And everyone knows the service is understaffed


  • #4
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Mary harney is a drunk. theres your answer


  • #5
    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    Sucking ass is one fetish i'd never be into. Yuk!


  • #6
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor.

    Can someone explain this to me? Why in 9.5 hours not a single doctor has a spare 10 minutes of his/her time to see a patient to ask a few basic questions? How overstretched is our health service that this is not possible?

    It's absolutely sickening tbh.

    No such thing for a lot of doctors working in A&E wards, they're battling an inept management system and people who go to hospital for something a GP could solve.

    (not saying you mother was in the same boat, hope shes alright)


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  • #7
    scientific1982
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    Complicated.


  • #8
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    It's too complicated a problem for people to solve I think, which is why it won't be for a long time. Sorry to hear about your mother but it's not an unusual experience by all accounts.


  • #9
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    It's too complicated a problem for people to solve I think, which is why it won't be for a long time. Sorry to hear about your mother but it's not an unusual experience by all accounts.

    Unfortunately not.
    Though there is a triage system
    Though is susprising in that she was there early in the morning.
    Had she arrived mid morning or early afternoon, then it'd be less surprising


  • #10
    mikom
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor.

    Ninja doctors........ the worst kind.


  • #11
    orourkeda
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    It's inefficient and poorly run


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  • #12
    prinz
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor. Can someone explain this to me? Why in 9.5 hours not a single doctor has a spare 10 minutes of his/her time to see a patient to ask a few basic questions? How overstretched is our health service that this is not possible? It's absolutely sickening tbh.

    Had the same thing last summer with my OH. As irish-stew said there are far too many pen-pushers and administrators etc and not enough real staff on the floor.

    What doctors are there are often being run off their feet (especially in A&E) and are snowed under by inefficient processes, red tape and bureaucracy, add in the constant flow of drunk/drug addled muppets and you get the drift.


  • #13
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Kiera wrote: »
    Sucking ass is one fetish i'd never be into. Yuk!

    A bit of aul ATM wouldn't take your fancy?


  • #14
    kelle
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    Has she been in A+E or on the ward all this time, MagicMarker?

    It's awful you've been this long without seeing a doctor, I assume you're in a large hospital with frontline services stretched to the limit. Patients would never be waiting that long in the small hospital I work in, yet the HSE are trying to close it! It seems they prefer a situation like yours rather than efficiency.

    Has she had any bloods taken or investigations of any kind?

    I'm sorry to read about your predicament, I hope you will be seen soon and that your mother will be OK.


  • #15
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    prinz wrote: »
    Had the same thing last summer with my OH. As irish-stew said there are far too many pen-pushers and administrators etc and not enough real staff on the floor.

    What doctors are there are often being run off their feet (especially in A&E) and are snowed under by inefficient processes, red tape and bureaucracy, add in the constant flow of drunk/drug addled muppets and you get the drift.

    To say that conditions are less than perfect is un understatement alright.


  • #16
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor.

    Can someone explain this to me? Why in 9.5 hours not a single doctor has a spare 10 minutes of his/her time to see a patient to ask a few basic questions? How overstretched is our health service that this is not possible?

    It's absolutely sickening tbh.

    An all too frequent occurence by all accounts? Which hospital is it?


  • #17
    hal9000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭hal9000


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Why does our health service suck so much ass?
    too many proctologists


  • #18
    [Deleted User]
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    Not enough doctors, specifically NCHDs. The HSE are driving them away from these shores by making the working conditions worse and worse. In fact they just unilaterally cut NCHD annual leave by 2 weeks.

    It's looking increasingly likely that I will be heading to a country with more humane working conditions for doctors when I graduate.


  • #19
    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    orourkeda wrote: »
    A bit of aul ATM wouldn't take your fancy?

    Wut? I've no idea what that is? :confused:


  • #20
    Badgermonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    We don't pay enough tax to provide a decent system.

    Even if we did, I fear it would be inferior to Dutch, German and French models due to our shoddy approach to public services.


  • #21
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    My mother had to go to hospital this morning at around 7.30, it's now after 5pm and she still hasn't seen a doctor.

    Can someone explain this to me? Why in 9.5 hours not a single doctor has a spare 10 minutes of his/her time to see a patient to ask a few basic questions? How overstretched is our health service that this is not possible?

    It's absolutely sickening tbh.

    Think how much better our health system would be if nurses and consultants were paid only the same money as they are in N. Ireland / Britain, and the extra money our government saved was used to employ more nurses / consultants.


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  • #22
    sam34
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    lots of hospitals are under-staffed from a medical point of view, particularly since the new year. its down to a variety of reasons, including changes made to training and conditions, as well as visa regulations for overseas docs.

    it's utter crap. management in the hse make decisions and vulnerable patients suffer


  • #23
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    suck so much ass

    <shoots self>


  • #24
    FlutterinBantam
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    It's very simple really.

    You see, most people in the HSE are good honest workers who do their best in difficult circumstances.

    The problem is that each vested interest is looking after their own and over the years have got so far up their own holes that they can't adapt.

    They, despite having well paid well sinecured jobs, have got locked in by the Unions into pay scales and work practices which simply put, don't work.

    There is no flexibility within the system as each cohort strives to retain it's place in the pecking order.

    Historical issues also come in to play, as well as people like Doran who wind out the same rhetoric time after time.

    Well he would wouldn't he, his union profit by more workers and he depends on John Q taxpayer to featherbed the well paid well pensioned denizens of the HSE, and of course he hopes that events like this will divert the public opinion from the real issue.


    The fcukers cost too much, they are not value for money, the HSE is a black hole which absorbs John Qs tax eurons with an eager maw which would put a Beluga whale to shame.

    There's your reason.


  • #25
    orourkeda
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    Kiera wrote: »
    Wut? I've no idea what that is? :confused:

    arse to mouth


  • #26
    Wibbs
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    Sorry to hear about your mum MM. Hope things go well for you and soon.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #27
    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    orourkeda wrote: »
    arse to mouth

    Oh. No thank you.


  • #28
    Slig
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    I have to agree about the 2 tier system. I know several nurses and they are all worked off their feet on a daily basis. Administration, however is a different thing
    Someone I know works on telesales for a drugs wholesaler and takes the drug orders from the large hospitals. Before christmas she got a call from a department head in a major hospital complaining about a late delivery of urgent drugs for a patient.
    While investigating the problem she asked when the order was placed so that she could check her e-mail to find out what the problem was. She was told that the order wasnt e-mailed in as the HSE employee had no e-mail account. She then asked if the order was faxed in and was told that they didnt know how to use their fax machine so they posted it instead.
    It transpired that the order for these URGENT drugs had been put in the post on a Thursday evening when the HSE employee had been going home from work and hadnt been recieved by the wholesaler until the following monday morning. I'm told this isnt an isolated incident.


  • #29
    ToxicPaddy
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    It's very simple really.

    You see, most people in the HSE are good honest workers who do their best in difficult circumstances.

    The problem is that each vested interest is looking after their own and over the years have got so far up their own holes that they can't adapt.

    They, despite having well paid well sinecured jobs, have got locked in by the Unions into pay scales and work practices which simply put, don't work.

    There is no flexibility within the system as each cohort strives to retain it's place in the pecking order.

    Historical issues also come in to play, as well as people like Doran who wind out the same rhetoric time after time.

    Well he would wouldn't he, his union profit by more workers and he depends on John Q taxpayer to featherbed the well paid well pensioned denizens of the HSE, and of course he hopes that events like this will divert the public opinion from the real issue.


    The fcukers cost too much, they are not value for money, the HSE is a black hole which absorbs John Qs tax eurons with an eager maw which would put a Beluga whale to shame.

    There's your reason.

    Think you hit the nail on the head there FB..

    A friend of mine started with the HSE back when there were still Regional health boards.. she started in an admin position, her first full time job and couldnt believe the attitude of so many of the staff, most there years and wouldnt get off their fat asses to do any work..

    The younger staff member all chucked in and helped each other while the older ones, did their small and I mean small piece of work and the headed out for a smoke or off to the canteen for a coffee as their work was done.. so as far as they were concerned nothing more needed to be done, despite the dept being swamped with work..

    Despite the older ones never stopped complaining about working conditions, pay levels and bonus levels.. :mad:

    She reckons if people pulled their weight 10 people could have easily coped but because the more established members of staff didnt the number of staff was closer to 20 doing the same job.. They were also the ones who were constantly calling in sick especially near the end of the year when they were running low on holidays.. :rolleyes:

    The attitude never changed for the 2 years she was there and thanked her lucky stars when they moved her to a different area which was a new section in the hospital and all the staff there were new and keen to make an impression so the productivity was much much better..


  • #30
    cassid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭cassid


    Took my mother to VHI clinic, said she had to go to A & E, spent 7 hours waiting and then got admitted and was giving a chair to spend the night on:mad:. She was told she was lucky by a nurse that she had a chair, something is wrong when somebody is lucky to have a chair for 2 days while waiting to be admitted.


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  • #31
    FlutterinBantam
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    ToxicPaddy wrote: »
    Think you hit the nail on the head there FB..

    A friend of mine started with the HSE back when there were still Regional health boards.. she started in an admin position, her first full time job and couldnt believe the attitude of so many of the staff, most there years and wouldnt get off their fat asses to do any work..

    The younger staff member all chucked in and helped each other while the older ones, did their small and I mean small piece of work and the headed out for a smoke or off to the canteen for a coffee as their work was done.. so as far as they were concerned nothing more needed to be done, despite the dept being swamped with work..

    Despite the older ones never stopped complaining about working conditions, pay levels and bonus levels.. :mad:

    She reckons if people pulled their weight 10 people could have easily coped but because the more established members of staff didnt the number of staff was closer to 20 doing the same job.. They were also the ones who were constantly calling in sick especially near the end of the year when they were running low on holidays.. :rolleyes:

    The attitude never changed for the 2 years she was there and thanked her lucky stars when they moved her to a different area which was a new section in the hospital and all the staff there were new and keen to make an impression so the productivity was much much better..


    Yep, you got it right there, thats the way they roll.

    You see, unfortunately people who need these services never think of it like that.

    They blame management( who are not without fault either)without thinking of the real issues.

    Service costs money, 24/365 service costs a lot of money, a fookin shed load of money.

    What has happened here is that the whole system is dysfunctional as each vested interest wants to protect it's own terms and conditions.

    Irish rates are way above what most other countries pay, and we need to unravel all this shite, get value for money, bang for your buck, tackle absenteeism and tailor the system to fit the taxes paid and the services provided.


    it's that simple.:eek:


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