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Fianna Fáil Leadership Challenge Underway

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    Cowen telephoned Alan Gray on night of guarantee to ask his advice on it, Gray tells Irish Times tomorrow. Gray says he didn't lobby 4 Anglo

    there it is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    There is a second revelation in the Times.

    Cowen gone by tomorrow afternoon?

    Eamon O'Cuiv is on Morning Ireland in the morning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    gandalf wrote: »
    As a side note Michael Kennedy on Vincent Browne on TV3 is saying that FF are unpopular because people do not understand the difficult decisions they have had to take. Talk about arrogance.


    That FFer is particularly idiotic (that remark above alone proves that) and smarmy - he knows he is out on his arse in the GE and that is what is propelling him onto the airwaves as an anti-Cowenite.

    Just another rat scrambling around hoping to hold onto his payday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    why was my picture post deleted?

    surely boards don't censor the truth? Isn't that RTE's job?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    gambiaman wrote: »
    That FFer is particularly idiotic (that remark above alone proves that) and smarmy - he knows he is out on his arse in the GE and that is what is propelling him onto the airwaves as an anti-Cowenite.

    Just another rat scrambling around hoping to hold onto his payday.

    he was one of the main brown nosers when those paintings hit the headlines, idiot

    dc54x2.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Barname wrote: »
    why was my picture post deleted?

    surely boards don't censor the truth? Isn't that RTE's job?

    It's a political discussion forum where people are expected to discuss rather than drop pictures into the thread as an alternative to making an effort to discuss. I deleted a number of such picture posts without giving people any penalty for posting them. If you've got an issue with this, please contact me by PM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    In the Pat Kenny interview about 3/4 weeks ago, (radio show) i was pretty sure Sommers said he had been approached to invest/ lodge money in anglo, but said no. he didnt specify clearly WHO approached. note -i'm going on memory here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    In the Pat Kenny interview about 3/4 weeks ago, (radio show) i was pretty sure Sommers said he had been approached to invest/ lodge money in anglo, but said no. he didnt specify clearly WHO approached. note -i'm going on memory here.
    I remember that too, I thought it was Fitzpatrick or Drumm who asked him?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    beanie. wrote: »
    Tomorrows Irish Daily Mail, just read out by Vincent Browne.
    http://yfrog.com/f/gz4mxmj/
    http://yfrog.com/h4a6yhj
    The images can be enlarged enough to read by clicking on them. Going to buy the mail tomorrow anyway, they deserve it.
    And yet amazingly the Greens still, STILL prop him!
    And they wonder why they are going to get a possible thrashing at election time too? :rolleyes:


  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To be honest,all this cowen must go stuff is a non event.
    He's all but gone.
    He won't be gone untill the election though as no ff td wants to be leader in an election Rout.
    FF are not saying it to the media but no doubt cowen is in cahoots with his t.d's to grin and bear it untill that finance act is passed.
    He knows his days as leader are numbered.
    FF won't eject him,bar the mail has pictures of him in bed with an alterboy untill after the election.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    FF won't eject him,bar the mail has pictures of him in bed with an alterboy untill after the election.

    thats mild compared to what Cowen has ACTUALLY done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Absurdum wrote: »
    I remember that too, I thought it was Fitzpatrick or Drumm who asked him?
    well there was something in his answer which triggered a nerve. dont think he mentioned any names, but he might have mentioned the fin regulator or the chairman of the CB. but his answer was kinda deliberately vague/ hinted at something. at least that's what the conspiracy theorist in me thought. :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    He's all but gone.
    He won't be gone untill the election though as no ff td wants to be leader in an election Rout.
    FF are not saying it to the media but no doubt cowen is in cahoots with his t.d's to grin and bear it untill that finance act is passed.
    He knows his days as leader are numbered.
    FF won't eject him,bar the mail has pictures of him in bed with an alterboy untill after the election.
    That about sums it up.
    That and I personally suspect they are biding for time, if just for those just under 300 state roles/jobs they are filling presently awarding to the possible loyal, those that were possibly promised to be looked after, and their mates who that in future will then hold strategic positions!

    http://www.tribune.ie/article/2010/dec/26/conor-mcmorrow-unlike-britain-we-dont-have-an-offi/
    No one should be in any doubt that we have an honours system. It exists in all but name, and it has been extremely prevalent in recent weeks.

    Appointments to state boards are effectively the Irish answer to Britain's honours scheme. It is a 'cute hoor/jobs for the boys' system.

    Since the Green Party announced its intention to pull out of government in November, 35 appointments and reappointments have been made to state boards. And according to information dug up by Fine Gael TD Leo Varadkar, the government is to make almost 300 of these appointments before it leaves office in the spring.

    While most of the positions are not remunerated and only offer travel and subsistence expenses, they do bestow kudos as they can open up doors for board members.

    Jackie Gallagher, a public relations consultant and former special adviser to Bertie Ahern, has been nominated to the board of Trinity College Dublin. Gerry Horkan, a Fianna Fáil councillor in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, was recently appointed to the Dental Council. And barrister Rosemary Healy-Rae was reappointed to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal on 11 November. She is the daughter of independent TD Jackie Healy-Rae, who supported the budget. And the list goes on.

    Varadkar claims the posts include "some very lucrative ones and some very powerful ones" and he has called on a moratorium on such appointments until after the election. While careful not to criticise those who have been appointed, Varadkar has made the correct call that there should be more Oireachtas scrutiny of the appointments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    thing is, i'm getting a bad feeling that if anglo was given a few billion earlier on (07), it may have held back the waters until a new damn was built. but that's another story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭davepatr07


    One or the other is lying. Thing is who do you trust?....Well that's gone a be a hard one to answer :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    davepatr07 wrote: »
    One or the other is lying. Thing is who do you trust?....Well that's gone a be a hard one to answer :rolleyes:
    What does Drumm really get out of lying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 KBB


    The EU/IMF should appoint someone from outside this country to investigate the whole bank scandal and if it is found that Cowen was influenced, then he should go to jail for corruption.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭RealityCheck


    OisinT wrote: »
    What does Drumm really get out of lying?

    It diverts attention from himself and the bankruptcy proceedings occuring against him? Would be nice to have another scapegoat especially from the political class.

    Just a theory, not saying I agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    It diverts attention from himself and the bankruptcy proceedings occuring against him? Would be nice to have another scapegoat especially from the political class.

    Just a theory, not saying I agree.

    Agree 100% the treasonous Irish f**ker: Drumm.

    When will Cowen learn its dog eat dog in this issue he has to jail the bankers in Anglo in a show trial if he has any hope of saving his career the slow pace of the investigation is killing him...... he must be the most brain dead politician I know (and his advisors!).

    At the very least extradite Drumm (call in a few favours for those CIA rendition flights stopping over in Shannon might even put him on one) and give Seanie the old dawn raid from the cops and ruffle them up a bit they will crack; these are people not used to rough and tumble prison life plus freeze their assets (and wife's).

    This is your very last chance Cowen and it now may be to late... the people need to channel their anger throw the bankers to the mob.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    KBB wrote: »
    The EU/IMF should appoint someone from outside this country to investigate the whole bank scandal and if it is found that Cowen was influenced, then he should go to jail for corruption.

    He should be executed. Prison would be too good for him.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    http://www.thejournal.ie/drumm-claims-cowen-asked-ntma-to-invest-in-anglo-2011-01/
    THE TAOISEACH IS CONTINUING to consult his Fianna Fáil colleagues today about his future, as he comes under further pressure following fresh claims by the former Anglo Irish Bank boss, David Drumm.

    Drumm said he’d spoken to Brian Cowen about Anglo’s “funding worries”, which the Taoiseach has repeatedly denied.

    Drumm claims that Cowen asked the National Treasury Management Agency (NTMA) to invest in Anglo in April 2008 at David Drumm’s request, the Irish Daily Mail reports (not available online).

    However, the head of the NTMA Michael Somers has said that no such request was made of him.

    In the Dáil on Wednesday, Cowen specifically denied that Drumm had asked him to talk to Michael Somers. Today, a spokesperson for the Taoiseach Drumm’s claims were not based in fact, and had already been discredited by Somers.

    Cowen was responding to queries posed by TDs during an extended Leader’s Questions session, following revelations at the weekend that he had spoken by phone to Sean Fitzpatrick in March 2008 to discuss Anglo shares and had played golf and had dinner with the former Anglo chairman in July 2008.

    On Wednesday, the Taoiseach revealed that former Central Bank board member Alan Gray and former Anglo director Gary McGann were also present when he dined with Fitzpatrick in July.

    The Irish Times reports today that Drumm and Fitzpatrick met Central Banker Gray privately the day before the banking guarantee was introduced in September 2008. They approached Gray in a bid for the Central Bank to lobby the government in support of Anglo, which was running out of money.

    Drumm has already criticised some of Fitzpatrick’s account of issues at Anglo, made in interviews for a book published last Sunday by two Sunday Times journalists. Drumm told Simon Carswell of the Irish Times that Fitzpatrick’s characterisation of his chairmanship at Anglo was “bull****”, adding: “He was all over it”.

    Heave?

    Yesterday, amid rumours of a Fianna Fáil leadership heave, reports from within the parliamentary party suggested Cowen was resisting any motion against him and had refused to step down.

    Instead, he said he would meet with party TDs and senators in the coming days to discuss their ideas about the party’s leadership. Those meetings are expected to conclude by tomorrow evening.

    Meanwhile, Minister Micheal Martin has sent a clear signal that he believes the battle for the Fianna Fail leadership is not over. Martin’s spokesperson is quoted in the Examiner as saying the minister welcomes the consultation process, and believes it is “important that members use this opportunity to have their say on the future of the party”.

    In a short statement issued last night, Fianna Fáil’s coalition partner the Green Party said it remained concerned about the revelation Cowen had dined with McGann and Gray, and said it had “already stated that Mr Cowen should himself have revealed his contacts with Anglo Irish Bank”.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    He should be executed. Prison would be too good for him.

    unfortunately it was abolished in a Referendum and the contsitution amendment prevents it ever being re-introduced


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭lucozader


    grassy knoll time


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    A Mr Maloney (writer for the Mail) on LMFM radio during an interview (9.45am) stated that tomorrow (Sat') in the Irish Mail, there will be some independent confirmation from a person also at the Drumm meeting as to what Drumm has been stating.
    I guess we will have to wait and see. The media is really smelling Cowans blood now, as they did with Bertie and Haughty.
    Its only a matter of time now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Taken from the article posted by Biggins.
    In a short statement issued last night, Fianna Fáil’s coalition partner the Green Party said it remained concerned about the revelation Cowen had dined with McGann and Gray, and said it had “already stated that Mr Cowen should himself have revealed his contacts with Anglo Irish Bank”.

    It is amazing the amount of waffle that comes out from the Greens about this coupled with total inaction. Makes you wonder will they be using their children as human shields when they eventually go canvassing for the General Election.

    If they had any honour or sense of duty to the Irish public they would pull the plug now as it is patently obvious to me that this Government will not get a chance to pass the finance bill. It is now going to be distracted by the death of a thousand drip feed "exclusives".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    It diverts attention from himself and the bankruptcy proceedings occuring against him? Would be nice to have another scapegoat especially from the political class.

    Just a theory, not saying I agree.

    That's in the US though, anything happening here isn't going to matter over there. More than likely I'd say, is that he's going down and he's spilling the beans, nothing to lose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Bill2673


    This is what annoys me.......

    The press is going on about this as if its some big national event.

    Its not.

    Its a big Fianna Fail event. But a lot of people still seem to think the country and Fianna Fail are one and the same thing.

    So if Cowen steps down we will have a leadership contest to see who will lead a failed political party in opposition that will have zero impact on policy over the next four years at least.

    Who bloody cares.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Bill2673 wrote: »
    This is what annoys me.......
    The press is going on about this as if its some big national event.
    Its not.
    Its a big Fianna Fail event. But a lot of people still seem to think the country and Fianna Fail are one and the same thing.
    So if Cowen steps down we will have a leadership contest to see who will lead a failed political party in opposition that will have zero impact on policy over the next four years at least.
    Who bloody cares.
    Its a Fianna Fail = government in power event.
    Its relates to those that are running our lives, our country and the integrity of those that is running it.
    Who cares?
    You mean besides the rest of the EU looking on, the IMF wanting to keep an eye on the stability of European countries and its banks, then there is the stock markets, the bond holders that are looking for honesty and stability before they up their rates for fearing that Ireland will default besides been seen to be run by people that couldn't lay straight in bed.

    (...And if they up their rates because of 'fears', that means the public (you!) will end up paying more in your pay packet and further possible cuts to services too)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    unfortunately it was abolished in a Referendum and the contsitution amendment prevents it ever being re-introduced

    yes, Eamon DevilEra FFather of Fianna FAIL was very prescient he knew his spawn were threatened by the death penalty aspect of the act so he had it removed...

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1939/en/act/pub/0010/print.html

    DevilEra made it OK to be a Traitor.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    unfortunately it was abolished in a Referendum and the contsitution amendment prevents it ever being re-introduced

    We need it back, more than ever.


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