Fianna Fáil Leadership Challenge Underway

Biggins · 13-01-2011 04:43PM

cremeegg wrote: »

all very cloak and dagger this..

Thats politics for you, Irish politics in particular.

When its not cloak and dagger, its like a game of one--upmanship in a game of never ending chess!
Only the pieces change at times.

barneyeile · 13-01-2011 04:47PM

Sulmac wrote: »

Don't you mean 'smokes and daggers'?

Maybe they are trying to, "upset the apple tart". Or maybe, "there are kebabs out there plotting against us".

godtabh · 13-01-2011 04:49PM

Biggins wrote: »

Thats politics for you, Irish politics in particular.

When its not cloak and dagger, its like a game of one one--upmanship in a game of never ending chess!
Only the pieces change at times.

It is like a game. Played by children

The flat out refuse to acknowledge their role in this mess. Reminds me of school children (and my last criminal comparison)

cremeegg · 13-01-2011 04:50PM

Sulmac wrote: »

Don't you mean 'smokes and daggers'?

Dont you mean smoke and mirrors?

kincsem · 13-01-2011 04:52PM

barneyeile wrote: »

Maybe they are trying to, "upset the apple tart". Or maybe, "there are kebabs out there plotting against us".

Its a vicious circus.

Sulmac · 13-01-2011 04:52PM

cremeegg wrote: »

Dont you mean smoke and mirrors?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bertie_Ahern

Also, apparently the Parliamentary Party meeting has now finished.

Eliot Rosewater · 13-01-2011 04:58PM

godtabh wrote: »

The flat out refuse to acknowledge their role in this mess.

Politicians are hardly unique in this regard. During the boom years the Irish people voted overwhelmingly for low-tax high-spending policies. Hence the sovereign debt crisis. But most of what we hear is "it's the governments fault" or "it's the bankers fault" and so on.

godtabh · 13-01-2011 04:58PM

Sulmac wrote: »

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bertie_Ahern

Also, apparently the Parliamentary Party meeting has now finished.

Its not finished until the people get what they want

blackdog2 · 13-01-2011 05:00PM

cremeegg wrote: »

all very cloak and dagger this..

just go brian.. this country needs closure...

Don't you mean snakes and daggers?

Barname · 13-01-2011 05:12PM

Cowen should be advised that the people of this nation will hold him accountable for his incompetence.

the legitimacy of the basis for this is due to his stubborn insistence to cling to power when it is clear to all that he is a complete failure

his failure has a cost, a cost that is borne by all and future generations

it is an act of treachery that he clings to power for the satisfaction of his own ego

the Traitor Trials will deal with him in due course, he has been warned.

steelcityblues · 13-01-2011 05:21PM

Want him to stay on as leader until the general election, only because we all deserve to see him get an a** kicking by the electorate, and given he was an integral part of the Bertie era.

jmayo · 13-01-2011 05:28PM

jimthemental wrote: »

You'd nearly have pity on whoever comes out on top here. They will be leading FF into a complete no hoper election.

F**k them.
They have all been complicit in the dirty deeds carried out by the leaders and ministers.
If they had walked away and resigned their membership like decent upstanding citizens then fair enough.
But no they voted ocnfidence in cowen, in lenihan's budgets and bank guarantees, in ahern, in o'dea.

There isn't one ffer with an ounce of decency. They are either blaming others for the mess they have created, excusing the dishonest inept unetichal behavoiour of their fellow members and leaders, or they are playing silly games pretending they are not rteally members like mattie mcgrath, joe behan, etc.

They are ultimately responsible for this mess, since they were the ones in power.

squonk wrote: »

No, it's not the country's fault at all but we've had enough controversy frm these clowns over the past while to put the counrty as the butt of every joke going. The least we can expect of the idiots running the show at this point is to shut up and make no further trouble until we can vote them out.

BS we should not have to wait to vote them out, they should have resigned long ago and definetly when it became apparent that we had to get the IMF/ECB in.

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Politicians are hardly unique in this regard. During the boom years the Irish people voted overwhelmingly for low-tax high-spending policies. Hence the sovereign debt crisis. But most of what we hear is "it's the governments fault" or "it's the bankers fault" and so on.

Newsflash most of blame does reside with the government, who were supposedly in charge, the bankers who got overly greedy and decided along with their building buddies to subvert an entire economy into a building bubble.

Who was in charge and paid handsomely for the job ?

Blame people for their own debts, but do not ever dare blame the people, especially those who did not vote ff, for the fact they dumped the billions of debts of well connected types onto our heads.

mewso · 13-01-2011 05:29PM

Why would anyone in FF want to take over as leader and get tainted by an inevitable election collapse? I don't see why people think it would be better for them to get rid of Cowen. Surely from a FF point of view it would be best for Cowen to linger on through a disasterous election and then resign letting a new leader start fresh. I'm looking at this from FF's stand point not my own.

Sierra Oscar · 13-01-2011 05:40PM

John Curran is preparing to address the media at Leinster House.

Aldebaran · 13-01-2011 05:46PM

From Bryan Dobson's twitter:

Taoiseach to do live interview on RTE Six One News this evening, should be on about 6.20

Pierce_1991 · 13-01-2011 05:47PM

mewso wrote: »

Why would anyone in FF want to take over as leader and get tainted by an inevitable election collapse? I don't see why people think it would be better for them to get rid of Cowen. Surely from a FF point of view it would be best for Cowen to linger on through a disasterous election and then resign letting a new leader start fresh. I'm looking at this from FF's stand point not my own.

I don't think any new leader will get the blame for their fellow party members if FF have a disastrous election, he/she will remain on in opposition regardless, in the same way they would come in after if Cowen was to lead into the election.

Barname · 13-01-2011 05:50PM

Aldebaran wrote: »

From Bryan Dobson's twitter:

will there be tears?

who_ru · 13-01-2011 05:50PM

mewso wrote: »

I'm looking at this from FF's stand point not my own.

this ties in nicely with the FF ethical code - Self Before Party, Party Before Country.

Cowan is now only interested in what's good for FF. the country & people can go to hell.

Pierce_1991 · 13-01-2011 05:51PM

If Cowen was no longer leader, the interview would be sooner than 6.20 don't you think?

gandalf · 13-01-2011 05:56PM

Ah great another tainted FF Taoiseach interview by the limp wristed Bryan Dobson. As stated already I wonder will there be tears.

bastados · 13-01-2011 06:04PM

It really amazes me how people still support FF at all...there is also a hero mentality at work among the goons in the higher echelons in FF that beggers belief.

amacachi · 13-01-2011 06:05PM

Meeting to decide what's best for the future of the party. Not the country, the party.

Sulmac · 13-01-2011 06:06PM

Does anyone know when the next opinion poll is?

Barname · 13-01-2011 06:07PM

cowen BINGO - you can play during the interview:

I utterly refute
As I confirmed
I am quite clear
nothing untoward
I reject
going forward
I am not a traitor
Lehman Brothers
message to the markets
no one could have seen it coming
your allegation
I love my Country
I am not a traitor
you can say
I am not a traitor

coconut5 · 13-01-2011 06:09PM

blackdog2 wrote: »

Don't you mean snakes and daggers?

Don't you mean snakes and ladders?

Barname · 13-01-2011 06:10PM

coconut5 wrote: »

Don't you mean snakes and ladders?

dont upset the apple tart

jmayo · 13-01-2011 06:11PM

Aldebaran wrote: »

From Bryan Dobson's twitter:

Queue much sniffling and soft camera angles.
Any chance cowen will drag the kids into this and how the poor dears are being affected ?

gandalf wrote: »

Ah great another tainted FF Taoiseach interview by the limp wristed Bryan Dobson. As stated already I wonder will there be tears.

I heard someone saw him buying vaseline down in the chemists in Donnybrook.

mewso · 13-01-2011 06:12PM

Barname wrote: »

cowen BINGO - you can play during the interview:

I utterly refute

As I confirmed

I am quite clear

nothing untoward

I reject

going forward

I am not a traitor

Lehman Brothers

message to the markets

no one could have seen it coming

your allegation

I love my Country

I am not a traitor

you can say

I am not a traitor

You forgot his latest - "narrative"

Sherifu · 13-01-2011 06:26PM

Rabbit in headlights comes to mind watching Cowen blabber on.

paulaa · 13-01-2011 06:26PM

jmayo wrote: »

I heard someone saw him buying vaseline down in the chemists in Donnybrook.

Oh Are the IMF coming to town again ?

Sorry

Fianna Fáil Leadership Challenge Underway

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