Micheala Hartes murder, suspects caught

Dionysus · 13-01-2011 01:16AM

aDeener wrote: »

how is it bile??

Re-read it.

Dionysus · 13-01-2011 01:17AM

aDeener wrote: »

i somehow doubt a father after having a daughter murdered would appreciate hearing of sympathy for the murderers......

And the murderers are who, exactly?

Dionysus · 13-01-2011 01:19AM

aDeener wrote: »

shame

Or, rather, no shame.

Common as... · 13-01-2011 01:20AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

This 'awful upbringing' mommy didn't love me sh1te is ridiculously overplayed at this stage. Sure there are some guys who get a raw deal in life and maybe never had much of a chance, but every time anyone commits a serious crime now be it murder or rape we get the inevitable spiel about their bad upbringing, their drug-addict father etc etc

Like that's an excuse for anything? Plenty of people have bad upbringings and never do anything wrong, let alone commit murder. A bad upbringing can only feed into an already pre-existing propensity for sociopathic behaviour.

So how many do you know of who had a good upbringing and commited crimes like this

aDeener · 13-01-2011 01:21AM

Dionysus wrote: »

And the murderers are who, exactly?

i would hazard a guess that they are the people who admitted to it

Dionysus · 13-01-2011 01:29AM

aDeener wrote: »

i would hazard a guess that they are the people who admitted to it

And this "admission" has been confirmed and examined in a court of law, where they have been found guilty of 'murder' ('unlawful killing') after due process?
Or is this 'admission' based on a claim from a Mauritian police department which is under pressure?

jugger0 · 13-01-2011 01:39AM

I have a PhD wrote: »

Only human filth would suggest taking a persons life by hanging. We don't even know what happened, or who was responsible yet.

Well i think they should hang the person who killed her, maybe some day an escaped criminal or even one realised early for good behaviour, a murderer or rapist, will do something to a family member of yours and you might change your tune then.

aDeener · 13-01-2011 01:41AM

Dionysus wrote: »

And this "admission" has been confirmed and examined in a court of law, where they have been found guilty of 'murder' ('unlawful killing') after due process?
Or is this 'admission' based on a claim from a Mauritian police department which is under pressure?

if these aren't the ones who done it i'll gladly eat a dish of humble pie.

aidan24326 · 13-01-2011 01:44AM

Common as... wrote: »

So how many do you know of who had a good upbringing and commited crimes like this

That's really not the point. In any case we know nothing of the background or upbringing of the accused, for all we know they had a perfectly normal childhood. They don't have a history of crime and violence anyway (at least not that anyone knows about) and this could have started out as petty crime that just got way way out of hand, and their (allegedly) being high on coke wouldn't have helped.

aDeener wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that they are the people who admitted to it

Probably, but nothing is proven yet. I really hope the police have got the right people here and that it isn't a stitch-up job to save face. Just because someone confesses to a crime doesn't automatically imply guilt, there have been many examples in the past of police beating confessions out of people**, and the Mauritian police are under pressure to solve this due to the negative publicity it's attracting for their country.

**not saying that's what the Mauritius police have done, just that it happens

aDeener · 13-01-2011 01:46AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

That's really not the point. In any case we know nothing of the background or upbringing of the accused, for all we know they had a perfectly normal childhood. They don't have a history of crime and violence anyway (at least not that anyone knows about) and this could have started out as petty crime that just got way way out of hand, and their (allegedly) being high on coke wouldn't have helped.

Probably, but nothing is proven yet. I really hope the police have got the right people here and that it isn't a stitch-up job to save face. Just because someone confesses to a crime doesn't automatically imply guilt, there have been many examples in the past of police beating confessions out of people**, and the Mauritian police are under pressure to solve this due to the negative publicity it's attracting for their country.

**not saying that's what the Mauritius police have done, just that it happens

i'm aware of that, but the vast majority of admissions hold true

melekalikimaka · 13-01-2011 01:55AM

no idea who she was, nor do i care, horrible thing to happen to nyone, what i dont get is the need to discuss it here, really... AH, if anyone who knew of her, who a few here seem to, had a SHRED of respect for her they would not discuss this so close to the incident on a public forum.

Common as... · 13-01-2011 02:02AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

A bad upbringing can only feed into an already pre-existing propensity for sociopathic behaviour.

This point is what I was getting at, do you believe that some humans are born bad.

FreudianSlippers · 13-01-2011 02:06AM

aDeener wrote: »

i somehow doubt a father after having a daughter murdered would appreciate hearing of sympathy for the murderers......

Again there is a big difference between empathy and sympathy

BettePorter · 13-01-2011 02:25AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

no idea who she was, nor do i care, horrible thing to happen to nyone, what i dont get is the need to discuss it here, really... AH, if anyone who knew of her, who a few here seem to, had a SHRED of respect for her they would not discuss this so close to the incident on a public forum.

If you applied that to everything/ everyone, the whole of boards would have to close down.
I think you're being unfair, the vast majority of ppl on here (bar the few mentallers who are feeling sorry for the murderers ) have nothing but sympathy and heartache for the family and the situation. if i were a family member I for one in the passing of time, upon reading this would be comforted by the support and sympathy was being given to my family/ daughter.

aidan24326 · 13-01-2011 02:47AM

Common as... wrote: »

This point is what I was getting at, do you believe that some humans are born bad.

I believe that some people have a propensity towards violence/sociopathic behaviour yes, be it genetic or whatever, and that in some cases it's true that a particularly troubled upbringing could be a definite factor in the subsequent actions of that person. I wasn't denying that much, I just meant that it seems nowadays too easy to blame the upbringing/the alco stepfather/the childhood upheaval etc as the excuse for all ills. It can be a factor alright but I think there's a tendency to exaggerate it, just my opinion. We're going a bit off-topic now anyway.

BettePorter · 13-01-2011 03:20AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

I believe that some people have a propensity towards violence/sociopathic behaviour yes, be it genetic or whatever, and that in some cases it's true that a particularly troubled upbringing could be a definite factor in the subsequent actions of that person. I wasn't denying that much, I just meant that it seems nowadays too easy to blame the upbringing/the alco stepfather/the childhood upheaval etc as the excuse for all ills. It can be a factor alright but I think there's a tendency to exaggerate it, just my opinion..

exactly, this constant bleeding heart, my daddy left and my dog died tripe is all too common place in todays courts. Jesus if we were all to use the 'poor me' card i'm sure we'd have total anarchy.

For the 20 ppl with **** lives/ upbringings who use this as a defence there are 80 ppl with **** lives who never have cause to..........cause they just deal with life like the rest of us !

Right now anyone of us could probably pull out some incident or occurence that could be used in defence of a crime. and yet ironically i doubt Michaela Harte could ! I'd imagine she lived a blameless life and i for one would easily admit that on paper, when you consider worthiness of character and her contribution to life and the future, of anyone you could describe on paper she was testament to an ideal. Young, beautiful, successful, inspirational, popular, a life of children and happiness ready and waiting for her...............only for a couple of lowlifes to want to get away with a few quid. I think thats what is subconsciously horrific to us about all this; I for one did nothing the right way, and yet here i still am..........she was the poster child for the fairytale ending and yet look where the poor girl is now. it's just so very very sad.

Father Damo · 13-01-2011 05:28AM

Dean820 wrote: »

Her poor husband will be kicking himself he didn't go back with her, poor man. Wasn't his fault of course.

Wish I was back home, just to here my mothers obligatory "must have been the husband that did it" line that she usually trots. Im half thinking of petitioning the Dept of Justice to bar her from any type of jury service.

Dermighty · 13-01-2011 06:31AM

Bake him away, Toys.

thebigleap · 13-01-2011 07:59AM

The Belfast Telegraph is reporting that there was no confession; it was just a rumor:

Last night Inspector Ranjit Jokhoo said "There have been no confessions from any of the suspects despite numerous rumours."

And regarding their legal system:

Under the legal system in Mauritius, criminal suspects can be charged before an investigation is complete. A director of public prosecutions later decides whether to proceed with the initial charge.

All three men face up to 45 years in jail if found guilty.

Read more:http://tinyurl.com/478evma

The poor girl fought so hard for her life, I feel so bad for what she went through. They reportedly found skin tissue under her nails so now forensics have a good chance of nailing the killer(s) using that evidence, which is far more reliable than some shaky confessions from scared suspects.

The authorities have been piecing together the series of events and officers now believe she was wrestled to the ground and dragged into the bathroom before being strangled in the bath.
The water was still running in the bath when her husband of just 12 days discovered her body.
Police say there were signs of a struggle at the scene and skin tissues were discovered under the 27-year-old’s fingernails.

http://tinyurl.com/46c5tau

midlandsmissus · 13-01-2011 11:10AM

BettePorter wrote: »

If you applied that to everything/ everyone, the whole of boards would have to close down.
I think you're being unfair, the vast majority of ppl on here (bar the few mentallers who are feeling sorry for the murderers ) have nothing but sympathy and heartache for the family and the situation. if i were a family member I for one in the passing of time, upon reading this would be comforted by the support and sympathy was being given to my family/ daughter.

Jesus. Mentallers ffs. Get off your high horse. I'm sick of repeating myself about this. I EMPATHISE with them.

The sensationalist crowd on here seem to love reading my words as:

"couldn't give a f*ck about the victim, I feel sorry for the murderers".

This is so stupid, it's actually really annoying, and reflects more on those posters than myself.

My heart goes out to Michaela and her family, I hate to think of their sufering. It's such an awful thing to happen.

YET

There is no evidence yet to pin those people to the case, it's said today there are no confessions, there are stories of police brutality. Maybe I have empathy for them because I am not sure if they are innocent or guilty yet.

We should keep an open mind.

I'm so sick of all this arguing on here. Michaela RIP.

BettePorter · 13-01-2011 11:21AM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Jesus. Mentallers ffs. Get off your high horse. I'm sick of repeating myself about this. I EMPATHISE with them.

The sensationalist crowd on here seem to love reading my words as:

"couldn't give a f*ck about the victim, I feel sorry for the murderers".

This is so stupid, it's actually really annoying, and reflects more on those posters than myself.

My heart goes out to Michaela and her family, I hate to think of their sufering. It's such an awful thing to happen.

YET

There is no evidence yet to pin those people to the case, it's said today there are no confessions, there are stories of police brutality. Maybe I have empathy for them because I am not sure if they are innocent or guilty yet.

We should keep an open mind.

I'm so sick of all this arguing on here. Michaela RIP.

WTF ?
Eh paranoid much ? Where did i mention you ?????
This thread isn't about you and your empathy you know. Why don't YOU get off YOUR high horse love !

midlandsmissus · 13-01-2011 11:28AM

BettePorter wrote: »

WTF ?
Eh paranoid much ? Where did i mention you ?????
This thread isn't about you and your empathy you know. Why don't YOU get off YOUR high horse love !

:rolleyes:
Only myself and one other poster have expressed empathy for them, so yes your comments affect me. Maybe think before you post.

FreudianSlippers · 13-01-2011 11:38AM

I think this is getting slightly out of hand.

I don't think one poster has said that they feel sympathy for the people that killed Mrs McAreavey.

A few things have been said:

1) We don't have the full story regarding the killing. We know that one person has confessed thus far under dubious circumstances (police torture/beating).
2) Anyone that murders someone is f*cked up in the head. Whether or not they come from a bad family etc. is down to the personal situation of that person. But it's stupid and incorrect to say that someone who could take another person's life is not messed up mentally.
3) A person that is messed up enough mentally that they have such little respect for human life that they would take it away over some jewellery is REALLY f*cked up.
4) Many people need to look up the difference between empathy and sympathy. IMO it is perfectly normal to empathise with someone who kills another human because of the reasons above. It may not be their childhood or whatever, but they're sick in the head and perhaps deserve a shed of empathy.
5) It's not normal or correct to sympathise with a murderer....
6) This is a thread discussing the killing of Michaela McAreavey. If you don't want to talk about the circumstances of her killing and you want to wear kid gloves, then I suggest you try one of the countless other condolences threads on boards (apparently the GAA thread is the one you want to try :rolleyes:)

I'm not trying to back-seat moderate, but this shít is getting out of hand and some of us want to have a thread to discuss the latest updates of what is happening... and if people don't cut the shít out you can be damn sure the mods will lock this thread.

/rant

BettePorter · 13-01-2011 11:46AM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Maybe think before you post.

Think before I post ?

In a thread that is predominantly about Michaela and the sympathy felt toward her family, the majority of your comments are about the 'killers' who ever they may be, and the way 'they ' might be feeling !

I wrote a post which was entirely devoted to the devastatation it must be for her family and all you saw in it was one word that you chose to refer to you !

I'm absolutely astounded at your attempt to instigate an argument where there none.

Take your own advice and think before you post.

I hope in the letter you suggest writing to mickey harte, you refrain from mention the empathy you have for his daughters killers !

FreudianSlippers · 13-01-2011 11:47AM

Irish Times wrote:

The body of murdered woman Michaela Harte is to be flown home from Mauritius later today.

Her widower John and her brother Mark were on the island as her coffin was taken from the hospital morgue to the airport, where it will be flown to London on the first stage of her journey back home.

Ms Harte's body is set to be flown out tonight at 10.20pm local time (6.20pm Irish time), along with her husband and other family members. Relatives hope her remains will arrive in London sometime early tomorrow morning and then be flown on to Belfast.

It is expected her funeral will take place close to her Co Tyrone early next week - in the same church where she wed only weeks ago.

Irish Ambassador in South Africa Brendan McMahon, who is on the holiday island, said his immediate aim was to get Mrs McAreavey’s remains and family members home as soon as possible.

“We are certainly very hopeful this will happen this evening. We hope and pray there will be not any last minute hitches.” he told RTE radio.

Mr McMahon said people on the island were shocked by the murder.

"This is not a violent societey. Staff at the hotel are stunned and are attending a memorial service for Michaela this afternoon," he said.

He said a number of Irish people were currently staying at the hotel.

Mr McMahon made no comment on the investigation or the speed with which it is progressing.

The repatriation is taking place as police continue their investigation into her murder in the luxury Legends Hotel on Monday.

Three employees of the hotel were charged yesterday over the death of Michaela Harte, who was murdered last Monday on the tropical island.

Room attendant Avinash Treebhoowoon (29) of Plaines des Roches, floor manager Sandip Mooneea (41) of Pettit Raffray and cleaner Raj Theekoy of the Cottages appeared before Mapou district court in the north of the island.

Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Mooneea were provisionally charged with the murder of Ms Harte, who was found strangled in her hotel bedroom, while Mr Theekoy was charged with complicity to murder. An autopsy report confirmed Ms Harte died as a result of neck compression.

In a press briefing this morning, police outlined how they said two of the three men admitted their involvement in the murder; the main suspect has yet to admit guilt.

Initially six people were questioned over Ms Harte's killing, which took place while she was on honeymoon with her husband John McAreavey, the former Down footballer.

However, the police have reduced the number of suspects to those charged, the court heard.

International and local media waited for three hours for the accused to arrive at the old colonial-style courthouse. All of the men appeared to be distressed.

With tears rolling down their faces they were marched past their friends, relatives and onlookers in handcuffs into the courthouse, where they were placed in a holding cell until proceedings began.

In front of a packed courthouse which included relatives of the defendants, Magistrate Bono Mally was told by the police what charges were being brought against them. She subsequently remanded them all in custody until February 2nd next when a bail hearing will take place.

Only one of the three men had a legal representative present.

Barrister S Ravi Rutnah asked the magistrate if his client, Avinash Treebhoowoon, could address the court in relation to an alleged assault he had suffered at the hands of the police while he was in custody.

According to Mr Treebhoowoon, he was brought to the office of the major crime investigation team where he was hit around the ears before being beaten with a hose on his feet.

“They undressed me and lay me on a table and with a water hose they beat me on the bottom of my feet. They then put a towel over my head and beat, choked and kicked me,” he claimed.

The barrister called on the court to immediately take his client for a medical examination to ascertain if there were signs of any injuries.

“An atrocious crime has been committed and our country is now being watched by the international community. Our name has been tarnished and if the police start acting like this what will be left of our country,” he said to the court.

The magistrate agreed that Mr Treebhoowoon should be sent for a medical examination and she called for an investigation into the allegations.

Speaking outside the court, Mr Treebhoowoon’s new wife Reshma, who had spoken to her husband, said: “He insisted he was innocent and that he has not committed this awful crime,” she said.

Summary: Michaela's body is expected to arrive in London at 18:20 this evening and hopefully in Belfast tomorrow morning.

Two of the three men have confessed, but the main suspect has yet to confess.

Mr Avinash Treebhoowoon (29), a room attendant who is provisionally charged with murder (but is seemingly not the main suspect) has claimed, through his barrister, that he was tortured in custody and (from my reading it appears) that he gave his "confession" because of this torture. He stated that:
“They undressed me and lay me on a table and with a water hose they beat me on the bottom of my feet. They then put a towel over my head and beat, choked and kicked me,”

Treebhoowoon's wife has stated that he is adamant that he is innocent.

FreudianSlippers · 13-01-2011 11:48AM

BettePorter wrote: »

In a thread that is predominantly about Michaela and the sympathy felt toward her family, the majority of your comments are about the 'killers' who ever they may be, and the way 'they ' might be feeling !

Actually, as far as I can see this thread is an ongoing discussion about the killers (who have allegedly been identified) and the circumstances surrounding her death.

Micky Dolenz · 13-01-2011 11:50AM

BettePorter and midlandsmissus chill out a bit.

Less of the "think before you post" and "love" snipping.

this is the one and only warning.

Dionysus · 13-01-2011 12:09PM

aDeener wrote: »

i would hazard a guess that they are the people who admitted to it

aDeener wrote: »

if these aren't the ones who done it i'll gladly eat a dish of humble pie.

According to Mauritius's police chief, 'They have not confessed but we have circumstantial sort of evidence but we are trying to find some other evidence to link them to the charge.'

Evidence against men 'circumstantial'

Once again: why are you, and other posters here, rushing to condemn people, who are only accused of murder, as guilty before they have been brought to court, fairly tried and then convicted?

It's eerily reminiscent of the sort of guilty until proven innocent/ "hang 'em all" mob rule view which condemned certain Irish people to years in prison for crimes which they didn't commit.

midlandsmissus · 13-01-2011 12:16PM

BettePorter wrote: »

Think before I post ?

In a thread that is predominantly about Michaela and the sympathy felt toward her family, the majority of your comments are about the 'killers' who ever they may be, and the way 'they ' might be feeling !

I wrote a post which was entirely devoted to the devastatation it must be for her family and all you saw in it was one word that you chose to refer to you !

I'm absolutely astounded at your attempt to instigate an argument where there none.

Take your own advice and think before you post.

I hope in the letter you suggest writing to mickey harte, you refrain from mention the empathy you have for his daughters killers !

AS IF in a hundred million years I would EVER write to Mickey Harte and say I have empathy for his daughter's killers....god almighty.

I see the mod's post there, so we'll leave it there Betteporter.

I'm sure we can both agree on the main point that we both feel so badly for her family and hope they can come through this.

Thinspired · 13-01-2011 01:30PM

The situation as it stands couldn't really get any worse for the Harte family. Soon enough, probably after she is buried, they'll pass from the shock stage of grieving to the anger stage, when naturally enough they will want justice for their murdered daughter. But so far the criminal investigation into Michaela's murder has been hugely tainted.

Obviously we don't know if the suspects who confessed are guilty or if there really was police brutality involved, but the very suggestion that there was has planted a little seed of doubt that may never go away even if these men are convicted in a court of law.

All Michaela's family will want is justice so they can have a bit of closure, but this case, so far, looks like it's heading towards being one of those perennial "did they or didn't they" scenarios. It's very sad.

Micheala Hartes murder, suspects caught

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