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  • #32
    johnbobtheslob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭johnbobtheslob


    Good riddance to bad rubbish. Its about time there was a coup to get rid of that moron, now how will they shift his big fat hole from poition of taoiseach God only knows he may just refuse to, the stubborn unwanted gob$hite. How have the rest of the PP members stood back and let this over-paid, over-weight oaf ruin there names in their respective constituency?

    Mattie McGrath for FF leader (joke)


  • #33
    Rubik.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Rubik.


    Newstalk didn't say anything other than there could be a heave. Fionnon Sheenan went further and said one was likely but didn't seem to have any inside information. The political party meeting is at midday.


  • #34
    M three
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Wide Road wrote: »
    No such party exists. Check your spelling and reply svp.
    Do you or your "thank you" friends believe in democracy?

    Fianna Failure exist alright, they're the reason every irish taxpayer and their ancestors is getting screwed for the foreseeable future.
    I do believe in democracy, which is why I'm recommending that no one votes for them for the next ten years.

    Sounds like you on the other hand will tacitly support them no matter what crap they get up to.


  • #35
    M three
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Wide Road wrote: »
    Since you speak of Micheal Lowry, he has stated that John Bruton is his best friend. Has he stated otherwise since, or are they still as close as ever?

    Nice off topic diversion there wide road. reminds me of bertie ahern saying he looked up every tree in north dublin to find evidence of corruption by liam lowry.

    Suppose you condone that disgraceful carry on by fianna failure too.


  • #36
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Wide Road wrote: »
    No such party exists. Check your spelling and reply svp.
    Do you or your "thank you" friends believe in democracy?
    Ha Ha Pot, Kettle Black!
    * Donegal SW
    * Waterford
    * Dublin S

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  • #37
    tommy21
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    Rumour ... Lenihan as leader in the short-term, Martin as leader after the election...


  • #38
    Seth Brundle
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    That will make an excellent contribution towards rebuilding trust in the party. Not!

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  • #39
    johnbobtheslob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭johnbobtheslob


    tommy21 wrote: »
    Rumour ... Lenihan as leader in the short-term, Martin as leader after the election...
    Why go into the election with possibly the 2nd most hate man in politics as their leader? Put Martin in the hot seat. He seems at least some bit genuine.


  • #40
    cremeegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭cremeegg


    I think out of all the contenders ..hanafin may be the best of a bad bunch...

    What do the politically minded think... whats her record like?


  • #41
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Anyway, there's no guarantee that Cowen will automatically step down if there's a leadership challenge, particularly given his sort of his personality (he did nothing wrong, why should he resign mentality).
    That's not his mentality, it's the general Fianna Failure mentality - when did you last hear of a Fianna Failure minister doing the honourable thing and resigning (rather than having to be driven out after the nth feck-up)?


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  • #42
    M three
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    johnbobtheslob wrote: »
    Why go into the election with possibly the 2nd most hate man in politics as their leader? Put Martin in the hot seat. He seems at least some bit genuine.

    Mis guided on martin. No better than the rest of them. Indeed this giving of money / aid by ireland to african countries to buy guns is a bigger scandal than some of the well reported goings on by fianna failure
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055956308


  • #43
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    johnbobtheslob wrote: »
    Why go into the election with possibly the 2nd most hate man in politics as their leader? Put Martin in the hot seat. He seems at least some bit genuine.
    Hit the nail on the head there. I don't know if he's crooked, which is odd for a FFailure, but he's definitely a spoofer. Hasn't done much for all his years in the Dail, bar the smoking ban (which I approve of). Speaking in deep voice with a serious tone has brought him a long way.


  • #44
    M three
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    cremeegg wrote: »
    I think out of all the contenders ..hanafin may be the best of a bad bunch...

    What do the politically minded think... whats her record like?

    Thats not saying much. wouldnt recommend a vote of any sort for her. she thought it was ok to allow bankrupt politicians to serve and came out strongly in favour of bev flynn
    http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/17998-mary-hanafin-calls-bankruptcy-td-law-amended.html


  • #45
    Seth Brundle
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    cremeegg wrote: »
    I think out of all the contenders ..hanafin may be the best of a bad bunch...

    What do the politically minded think... whats her record like?

    for starters...
    http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/daily-mail-london-england-the/mi_8002/is_2010_Oct_4/hanafin-mother-trips-publics-expense/ai_n55445391/

    http://www.tribune.ie/article/2008/mar/16/hanafin-faces-around-70-court-battles-with-parents/

    She has defended the corruption since taking office

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  • #46
    ISAW
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Ha Ha Pot, Kettle Black!
    * Donegal SW
    * Waterford
    * Dublin S

    Actaully Dublin South was a FG guy who resigned if I recall correctly. So ther was a by election which cost the government a seat and the FG guy who won the seat resigned six months later. Dinegal has had a by election so the only valid example is Waterford. If there was a by election in Waterford now and no existing FF candidate ran it would give the new candidate hyge publicity and probably secure that FF candidate the seat in a general election so it isn't in the opposition's interest to do this.


  • #47
    Seth Brundle
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    and FF were only too happy for the democratic machine to take place

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  • #48
    Het-Field
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    ISAW wrote: »
    Actaully Dublin South was a FG guy who resigned if I recall correctly. So ther was a by election which cost the government a seat and the FG guy who won the seat resigned six months later. Dinegal has had a by election so the only valid example is Waterford. If there was a by election in Waterford now and no existing FF candidate ran it would give the new candidate hyge publicity and probably secure that FF candidate the seat in a general election so it isn't in the opposition's interest to do this.

    And you base that on nothing.

    Brian O Domhnaill is guaranteed nothing in the General Election, and he got plenty of publicity up in Donegal.

    Wateford has been gunning for FF for years now. It was a FF bloodbath in the locals. It is one of the constituencies where FF may return nobody.


  • #49
    dfbemt
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    ISAW wrote: »
    Actaully Dublin South was a FG guy who resigned if I recall correctly. So ther was a by election which cost the government a seat and the FG guy who won the seat resigned six months later. Dinegal has had a by election so the only valid example is Waterford. If there was a by election in Waterford now and no existing FF candidate ran it would give the new candidate hyge publicity and probably secure that FF candidate the seat in a general election so it isn't in the opposition's interest to do this.

    I align to no party but your argument is fundamentally flawed.

    Dinegal had a by election BECAUSE the government were taken to court to uphold the constitution. Imagine, a government not folllowing their own rules, breaking the law ? FF would not hold the by election and resisted for 18 months and argued against the constitution in Court.

    Regarding the Dublin South by election, FF called this after the death of Seamus Brennan (RIP) almost a year earlier. Brennan was a consistent (almost) poll topper and in the previous election had gained 22% of the 1st preferences. It was held on the same day as the Dublin Central by election, the European and the local elections. FF had no choice but to hold the by elections as the other elections were going ahead at that time.

    And don't forget, the Greens only announced on 22nd November 2010 that they wanted a General Election, which still hasn't happened by the way. As of 22nd November, Dublin South has a vacant seat since 8th February (9 months) with Waterford under represented since 23rd March 2010 (8 months).

    The facts are simple. FF would not win any of the by elections and this would reduce their slim majority. It is all about staying in power for as long as possible.

    FF are traitors and I will never ever again mark a box on a ballot paper in their favour, including nth preferences.

    ps I look forward to the next GE results in Waterford and I hope the good citizens there annihilate FF.


  • #50
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Het-Field wrote: »
    And you base that on nothing.

    I base it on this:

    http://electionsireland.org/result.cfm?election=2007&cons=226

    23,000 people voted for FF last time out. 47 per cent
    Assuming current opinion polls are correct FF would get about a third of that or about 8,000 votes which guarantees a seat.
    Brian O Domhnaill is guaranteed nothing in the General Election, and he got plenty of publicity up in Donegal.

    Only because the Tániste is running for the same Party. If she wasn't he would effectively be guaranteed a seat based on public profile gained in the by election just as if Kennelly was not running in Waterford whoever got the FF nomination would win a seat.
    Wateford has been gunning for FF for years now. It was a FF bloodbath in the locals. It is one of the constituencies where FF may return nobody.

    Cullen had PD votes Ill give yu that but I dont think it is realistic for FF to slip from 23,000 votes to 4,000. ( I think 4000 total votes is reasonable cutoff to maybe getting no seat at all). Even taking the locals into account FF only slipped from 10,500 to 8,000 votes.
    It is more reasonable to thing FG will gain from FF.
    Obligatory: But even if FF got no seats the loss of this one would not have a bearing on the FF leadership.


  • #51
    danbohan
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    Nehaxak wrote: »
    Well, they won't disband and even though I like to make fun of their polling myself and assume they'll only get 4% of the vote in the upcoming general election soon - in all honesty, going on past experiences with the Irish electorate, that's not going to happen either. They'll still poll 20% easily unfortunately.
    It's just a matter of who will lead their party toward and into the next general election as if they stick with either Brian in any leadership roll, they'll lose a lot of seats. Whereas if they are seen to make changes and spin it as "for the better of the country, a fresh start lalalala" then they might even gain a few voters back that might have otherwise swayed elsewhere.

    Could possibly see Mary Hanafin as a strong contender, total change and a woman as Ireland's next possible leader - or how it would be spun anyway.


    could possibly see Mary Hanafin as a strong contender, total change and a woman as Ireland's next possible leader - or how it would be spun anyway.[/QUOTE]

    you obviously were not around in the 80s when ms hanafins dear father des was peddling his anti divorce agenda if you think she would be a total change , shes part of a nasty, nasty past hopefully like a lot of her ilk she gets sacked in few weeks , permanently


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  • #52
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    dfbemt wrote: »
    I align to no party but your argument is fundamentally flawed.

    Dinegal had a by election BECAUSE the government were taken to court to uphold the constitution. Imagine, a government not folllowing their own rules, breaking the law ? FF would not hold the by election and resisted for 18 months and argued against the constitution in Court.

    Im not arguing they should not hold by elections. i saying that given a general election is going to be held within the next three months, holding a by election is not in the oppositions political interest.

    Also if ther is a chance of a change from government to opposition or vice versa then it is that side which will have the political advantage of having the by election. During the Bertie years FF might well have won by elcetions so the opposition might not clamour for them. If ther eis a chance of the government losing a seat the opposition would by demanding a by election. excpet of course if an general election is coming soon after , in which case the opposition may well win but will promote a government candidate in the coming general election.
    Regarding the Dublin South by election, FF called this after the death of Seamus Brennan (RIP) almost a year earlier. Brennan was a consistent (almost) poll topper and in the previous election had gained 22% of the 1st preferences. It was held on the same day as the Dublin Central by election, the European and the local elections. FF had no choice but to hold the by elections as the other elections were going ahead at that time.

    And one could argue ti gave Shay Brennan the publicity to win the seat in the coming general election as he got 18 per cent of the vote ( a certain seat in a general election in a five seater given also another several thousand FF votes will be added by parts of Dun Laoghaire coming into Dublin south in the General election.)
    And don't forget, the Greens only announced on 22nd November 2010 that they wanted a General Election, which still hasn't happened by the way. As of 22nd November, Dublin South has a vacant seat since 8th February (9 months) with Waterford under represented since 23rd March 2010 (8 months).

    The facts are simple. FF would not win any of the by elections and this would reduce their slim majority. It is all about staying in power for as long as possible.

    Not winning a seat you already don't have e.g. George Lee's seat wouldn't change anything as regards the government numbers.
    FF are traitors and I will never ever again mark a box on a ballot paper in their favour, including nth preferences.

    that is you opinion and you are entitled to it. Others would not vote FG Sinn fein or whatever. That's why we have elections. Given your comments that you " align to no party" I wonder if you ever voted for FF. did you? If you did why did you?
    Given you don't you seem to harbour the same feelings that some ABU's do against Manchester United.
    ps I look forward to the next GE results in Waterford and I hope the good citizens there annihilate FF.
    [/quote]

    Again that is your opinion. But as I have stated. I dont think it is reasonable they wont get a seat in Waterford and if they don't it will have little if any effect on the FF leadership.


  • #53
    Seth Brundle
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    ISAW wrote: »
    And one could argue ti gave Shay Brennan the publicity to win the seat in the coming general election as he got 18 per cent of the vote ( a certain seat in a general election in a five seater given also another several thousand FF votes will be added by parts of Dun Laoghaire coming into Dublin south in the General election.)
    Why? Because daddy once held the seat?
    Still, I presume they (as with other parties) will continue with the practice of nepotism.
    I wonder will Shay tell people about his actual job in Anglo this time around.

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  • #54
    jmayo
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    Wide Road wrote: »
    No such party exists. Check your spelling and reply svp.
    Do you or your "thank you" friends believe in democracy?

    A bit rich coming from ffer whose party had to be taken to court to hold a long overdue by election. :rolleyes:
    Rubik. wrote: »
    Newstalk didn't say anything other than there could be a heave. Fionnon Sheenan went further and said one was likely but didn't seem to have any inside information. The political party meeting is at midday.

    Ah fionnan sheehan political editor of the indo or sindo.
    Actually he has more inside information than most since married to career ffer.

    Folks please take anything this gent says with a grain of salt.
    Note his missus, averil power, happens to have been a political/policy advisor (whatever it is called gives her salary of circa 100,000 euro a year) for the last 8/9 years to one mary hannafin.

    http://www.averilpower.ie/?page_id=2

    She also ran in local elections as county council candidate in North Dublin and was majorily involved in ff in Trinity.

    Thus he may be leaking stories that are coming from hanafin.

    M three wrote: »
    Nice off topic diversion there wide road. reminds me of bertie ahern saying he looked up every tree in north dublin to find evidence of corruption by liam lowry.

    Suppose you condone that disgraceful carry on by fianna failure too.

    That was ray burke, liam lawlor was yet another example of ff corruption. sorry unexplained finances and weird business deals.

    BTW as for contenders for the crown I note it is between the weak link from Cork, the religious nut job and the compulsive corner turner.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #55
    Seth Brundle
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    Just wondering, if Cowen was forced to resign as Taiseach and the cowboy independents won't support a 3rd FF taoiseach in the one government, does that mean sweary mary could be in charge?
    Oh Jesus! :eek:

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  • #56
    ISAW
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Why? Because daddy once held the seat?

    Not necessarily. Of copurse family ties may be used to get on the ticket and the family name get some votes but the by election enables Brennan to expose himself to the dublin south voter and got him national publicity. It is the same for Labour. alex white was unknown and is practically guaranteed a Labour Seat in Dublin South primarily because of the by election.
    Still, I presume they (as with other parties) will continue with the practice of nepotism.
    I wonder will Shay tell people about his actual job in Anglo this time around.

    OOOh mudslinging already!
    Took me one minute to find this and I never looked it up before.
    It seems to say it on his website:
    http://shaybrennan.ie/Site/ABOUT.html
    He was educated at Scoil San Treasa in Mount Merrion, Blackrock College and UCD, where he completed a BA in Economics and a MBS in Financial Services. His career to date spans a range of roles in the financial services industry, both in Ireland and internationally. In his role as a Treasury Risk Specialist with Anglo Irish Bank, he advises both Irish and North American based companies on the management of their foreign exchange and interest rate strategies.

    And the nepotism think has been discussed elsewhere. While I don't like persona dynasties if your father was an accountant or teacher it is likely you might be too. What percentage of the 166 TDs have or did have direct family (parents or siblings ) in the Dail ?


  • #57
    Seth Brundle
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    ISAW wrote: »
    OOOh mudslinging already!
    I wouldn't call it mudslinging - apologies if it came accross this way. It was meant to be a serious comment.
    ISAW wrote: »
    Took me one minute to find this and I never looked it up before.
    It seems to say it on his website:
    http://shaybrennan.ie/Site/ABOUT.html
    Fine. Good. He has changed his ways in this regard.
    p.ie wrote:
    Shay was on the radio last week and I will try to get the podcast, cannot remember was it Newstalk or RTE - BUT - listening to him he was trying to make the listener think that he was a Teller in Anglo.
    http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/33567-does-shay-brennan-really-want-4.html

    Furthermore, it took me less than one minute to find this - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055561019
    ISAW wrote: »
    And the nepotism think has been discussed elsewhere. While I don't like persona dynasties if your father was an accountant or teacher it is likely you might be too. What percentage of the 166 TDs have or did have direct family (parents or siblings ) in the Dail ?
    To become an accountant, solicitor, doctor, etc. you have to train and earn the job (by and large). To become a TD of someone who held a seat one qualification is to see your parent die. You don't need any qualifications or experience. The party makes the decision and IIRC Shay was picked over other experienced candidates (e.g Maria Corrigan) purely because daddy won 9 elections there.
    The fact that there may be a high percentage of sitting TDs who are kids of former TDs just indicates how bad this system is.

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  • #58
    Nehaxak
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    danbohan wrote: »
    could possibly see Mary Hanafin as a strong contender, total change and a woman as Ireland's next possible leader - or how it would be spun anyway.

    you obviously were not around in the 80s when ms hanafins dear father des was peddling his anti divorce agenda if you think she would be a total change , shes part of a nasty, nasty past hopefully like a lot of her ilk she gets sacked in few weeks , permanently

    Unfortunately I was around in the 80's and I was of voting age and I do remember. However the vast majority of the electorate won't remember, in fact, by the time the election is called, their memories won't stretch back any further than a couple months and she'll more then likely be re-elected.


  • #59
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    kbannon wrote: »
    Just wondering, if Cowen was forced to resign as Taiseach and the cowboy independents won't support a 3rd FF taoiseach in the one government, does that mean sweary mary could be in charge?
    Oh Jesus! :eek:

    Constitutionally the Dail has to elect a Taoiseach. So that would mean the Dail would have to support one of the opposition or call a general election. cowan for example could resign and Kenny be proposed and FF abstain and Kenny becomne Taoiseach. then Kenny would be faced with proposing Labour ministers and dealing with the finance Bill or calling an election himself. If he didn't call an election he would have a few years in majority government and could call all the by elections. That would give him the option of getting a futher five years on top of the minority period. He might well do that as he could use the minority government as an excuse for all the things he didn't get done when the election eventually comes.

    It ( the Tainiste provision) only applies in case of death.

    See 28.6, .10, .11, and .12

    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/static/256.htm

    see also 16.5 which says seven years but Section 7 of the Electoral (Amendment) Act 1927regulates it to five years

    the current 30th Dáil must be dissolved on or before 14 June 2012 (five years from the day it first met). The general election for members of the 31st Dáil must take place on or before the 14 July 2012 (30 days after dissolution) and the 31st Dáil must meet on or before 13 August 2012 (30 after the election)


  • #60
    dfbemt
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    ISAW wrote: »


    And one could argue ti gave Shay Brennan the publicity to win the seat in the coming general election as he got 18 per cent of the vote ( a certain seat in a general election in a five seater given also another several thousand FF votes will be added by parts of Dun Laoghaire coming into Dublin south in the General election.)

    Thankfully for Brennan, Tom Kitt is stepping down and will not contest GE 2011. However, Hanafin or Andrews have strongly indicated that one of them will move in an effort to retain their seat, which one is sure to lose when Dun Laoghaire becomes a 4 seater.

    The mindset in a by election is completely different to a GE where there are multiple seat as against only 1. Transfers handle completely differently and a by election tends to be the number of 1st prefs is the winner. Not so in a GE. 18% in a by election will certainly be less than 6% in a GE where the same party will field 2 - 3 candidates.

    Brennan will not get in on the 1st count or 2nd and FF will not draw transfers. The result will definitely be 2 x FG, 1 x Lab. the 4th seat will be a FG / Lab fight and the fifth will see Hanafin / Andrews, Brennan, Eamon Ryan in a battle royal.

    I predict that if Hanafin or Andrews arrive that Brennan will not get elected. He has done nothing for the community. In May 2009 he states 'I am fully committed to representing the local constituents' and when he doesn't get elected we hear no more from him. Full committed my arse.

    Maybe there should be a seperate thread to expose this fraudster and the others like him looking to get on the gravy train and do nothing for it.


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  • #61
    dfbemt
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Why? Because daddy once held the seat?
    Still, I presume they (as with other parties) will continue with the practice of nepotism.
    I wonder will Shay tell people about his actual job in Anglo this time around.

    Purely for the point of clarity and in no way to defend Shay Brennan, he mentioned his Anglo job in his campaign material.

    http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/leaflet-for-shay-brennan-fianna-fail-2009-dublin-south-by-election/

    I heard somebody joke in a bar that his posters had been paid for by Anglo after a meeting at Druids Glen but I cannot verify if this is true and should only be taken as idle gossip. Meetings at Druids Glen are about the economy and stimulating the economy and just shooting the breeze.


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