Micheala Hartes murder, suspects caught

nlgbbbblth · 12-01-2011 08:33PM

OisinT wrote: »

I think there is something more to this story that we may not find out.

Maybe. Although if anyone is going to find out what it is, I'd say it'll be you.

CoDy1 · 12-01-2011 08:36PM

I have a PhD wrote: »

Those guys are innocent. I would bet all my money on it. The stuff the cops are commg out with is unreal. These are just the fall guys.

Unfortunately, I agree with this. Corrupt police force under pressure from top brass to convict and sentence someone ASAP, thus minimising the hit to tourist industry.

Reporter on the six one news, seemed to come across as suspicious about how quick a confession was got too.

If these guys are guilty, they deserve everything they get, but at the moment thats still an 'if'

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 08:36PM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Maybe. Although if anyone is going to find out what it is, I'd say it'll be you.

I'm on the case!

m@cc@ · 12-01-2011 08:42PM

OisinT wrote: »

I'm on the case!

Grow up, ffs.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 08:50PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Grow up, ffs.

wtf are you on about?

minstrel_boy · 12-01-2011 09:00PM

OisinT wrote: »

wtf are you on about?

You are a self confessed smart fella.. you know what you're at.
Its obvious that this topic is very sensitive to a lot of posters and causes them a fair degree of hurt! Yet, you continue to try and wind people up by glorifying yourself, and in your own way, deflecting attention away from the awful tragedy that has occured.

As for midlandsmissus, she practically accuses the husband of being the killer and doesnt even have the decency to apologise when proved wrong...utter scum.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 09:08PM

minstrel_boy wrote: »

You are a self confessed smart fella.. you know what you're at.
Its obvious that this topic is very sensitive to a lot of posters and causes them a fair degree of hurt! Yet, you continue to try and wind people up by glorifying yourself, and in your own way, deflecting attention away from the awful tragedy that has occured.

As for midlandsmissus, she practically accuses the husband of being the killer and doesnt even have the decency to apologise when proved wrong...utter scum.

Build a bridge... we had the condolences thread - we're discussing the murder in this thread (the one I was right about and was burned at the stake for even suggesting in the other thread).

I'm sorry you're so sensitive on the issue, but in this discussion I have just as much of a right to post on topic as anyone else.
Nobody is trying to deflect attention from anything... we're discussing the suspects in case you couldn't be bothered to read this thread. I'd say that's a fair amount of attention on the subject wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

m@cc@ · 12-01-2011 09:10PM

OisinT wrote: »

(the one I was right about and was burned at the stake for even suggesting in the other thread).

Who gives a **** that you were right bar the OP? Do you get that few plusses in the score column in life that you have to harp on like an incessant teenager?

Ghandee · 12-01-2011 09:12PM

I keep going over and over in my mind, my wife and I returned to our honeymoon suite on the last day of our honeymoon in Cuba in 2009 to find one of the hotel staff (probably before I'm corrected!) Had gone through my wallet and helped themselves to the small number of pesos I had left, though the were kind enough to leave the coins

.
Think it totaled the grand sum of the equivalent of 30 euro or so.

I recall being livid, first of all at someone having the cheek to even open my wallet! Secondly to the misplace of trust, I had given the hotel upon booking it, and then the money itself. Incidentally that money was ironically set aside to tip the room service staff!
(now that was service when the even tipped themselves lol)

Came home, whined to friends and family about being 'robbed' whilst in a five star hotel.

As I write this, in my lovely home, wife fondly nursing our 4 month old baby, I suddenly realise just how lucky a man I am, and how easily a life could change in the blink of the eye!

I've never been as thankful for all that I have these past two days.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 09:14PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Who gives a **** that you were right bar the OP? Do you get that few plusses in the score column in life that you have to harp on like an incessant teenager?

The fact that of my entire post that's what you want to harp on about makes me think that it's most certainly you that gives a ****.

Anyway, the point is that I don't think that they have the wrong people... I just think that it's dangerous to go on confessions arising from police beatings.

NoseyMike2010 · 12-01-2011 09:15PM

Can we keep to the topic?

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 09:18PM

Gucky wrote: »

I keep going over and over in my mind, my wife and I returned to our honeymoon suite on the last day of our honeymoon in Cuba in 2009 to find one of the hotel staff (probably before I'm corrected!) Had gone through my wallet and helped themselves to the small number of pesos I had left, though the were kind enough to leave the coins .
Think it totaled the grand sum of the equivalent of 30 euro or so.

I recall being livid, first of all at someone having the cheek to even open my wallet! Secondly to the misplace of trust, I had given the hotel upon booking it, and then the money itself. Incidentally that money was ironically set aside to tip the room service staff!
(now that was service when the even tipped themselves lol)

Came home, whined to friends and family about being 'robbed' whilst in a five star hotel.

As I write this, in my lovely home, wife fondly nursing our 4 month old baby, I suddenly realise just how lucky a man I am, and how easily a life could change in the blink of the eye!

I've never been as thankful for all that I have these past two days.

It's crazy I know. A few years ago someone (presumably housekeeping) stole some stuff from my girlfriend's bag in a fairly well known and semi-expensive hotel in Paris.

It was semi amusing at the time as they stole really cheap stuff (including pyjamas) but looking back, if I just went out to get drink or to the ATM it could have been a totally different situation.

*queue the flaming that we're deflecting attention*

aDeener · 12-01-2011 09:18PM

minstrel_boy wrote: »

You are a self confessed smart fella.. you know what you're at.
Its obvious that this topic is very sensitive to a lot of posters and causes them a fair degree of hurt! Yet, you continue to try and wind people up by glorifying yourself, and in your own way, deflecting attention away from the awful tragedy that has occured.

As for midlandsmissus, she practically accuses the husband of being the killer and doesnt even have the decency to apologise when proved wrong...utter scum.

her "decency" was shown in her statement on how she feels sorry for the murderers.

mind boggling

Dudess · 12-01-2011 09:19PM

I have a PhD wrote: »

Those guys are innocent. I would bet all my money on it. The stuff the cops are commg out with is unreal. These are just the fall guys.

There were claims of police brutality, and even without them, I would still be a bit bemused by how quick all of this has been... however, I don't see how either can make you so definite they're innocent.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 09:21PM

aDeener wrote: »

her "decency" was shown in her statement on how she feels sorry for the murderers.

mind boggling

I feel sorry for murderers every day. To have such little value in human life is something that is so inhuman and often stems from such awful upbringings that I believe society should feel sorry for these people.

midlandsmissus · 12-01-2011 09:23PM

aDeener wrote: »

ahh yeah the poor lads, my heart bleeds for them too. they don't deserve all this attention for merely murdering a lovely innocent woman

libtards indeed

Don't call me a libtard. I can feel awful at what happened to Michaela but I can feel compassion for them too.

"OMG murdering scum, should be shot, hope they burn in hell aghhhh".

What good does that do anyone. It's just sending more anger out into the world.

dr.bollocko · 12-01-2011 09:29PM

OK folks, if you're incapable of posting on the topic of Michaela Hartes murder and leaving this he said she said crap behind from here on out then do not post at all. PM me for clarification and lets get back on topic from here on out.

aDeener · 12-01-2011 09:35PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Don't call me a libtard. I can feel awful at what happened to Michaela but I can feel compassion for them too.

"OMG murdering scum, should be shot, hope they burn in hell aghhhh".

What good does that do anyone. It's just sending more anger out into the world.

awwh mann yeahh dude totally, so much hate and anger brah i hear ya.

why can't we all just whole hands forget about everything and get along?

aDeener · 12-01-2011 09:36PM

OisinT wrote: »

I feel sorry for murderers every day. To have such little value in human life is something that is so inhuman and often stems from such awful upbringings that I believe society should feel sorry for these people.

course you do, you're in the legal profession aren't you?

midlandsmissus · 12-01-2011 09:37PM

minstrel_boy wrote: »

You are a self confessed smart fella.. you know what you're at.
Its obvious that this topic is very sensitive to a lot of posters and causes them a fair degree of hurt! Yet, you continue to try and wind people up by glorifying yourself, and in your own way, deflecting attention away from the awful tragedy that has occured.

As for midlandsmissus, she practically accuses the husband of being the killer and doesnt even have the decency to apologise when proved wrong...utter scum.

Jesus I don't think "I'm on the case" was worth that response? It was his response to some-one saying "if anyone would find out it would be you" , meant in good heart I took it.

Are you actually calling me utter scum? Jesus that's actually really badly harsh.
I never said he was the murderer. I never even referred to a person, I listed out a few points, that pointed in his direction, but I was careful not to mention his name.
I did think it at the time. Now we all know he's innocent, it's easy to point fingers.

In fact you're wrong, I did feel bad about it, and realised today I shouldn't jump to conclusions and speculate.

Who do you want me to apologise to, you? Why don't you apologise to me for calling me utter scum? How horrible a thing is that to say?

Edit: DrBollocko I was writing this at the same time you posted your post. No more from me.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 09:37PM

aDeener wrote: »

course you do, you're in the legal profession aren't you?

Yeah, but I don't do criminal law much... if ever.

I don't see how you'd have to be in the legal profession to understand the difference between empathy and sympathy.

Vanbis · 12-01-2011 09:42PM

OisinT wrote: »

Yeah, but I don't do criminal law much... if ever.

I don't see how you'd have to be in the legal profession to understand the difference between empathy and sympathy.

Zero sympathy for the three accused. They knew well what they were doing and god knows how many more they have robbed who have stayed at the resort. They will get what they deserve.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 09:46PM

Vanbis wrote: »

Zero sympathy for the three accused. They knew well what they were doing and god knows how many more they have robbed who have stayed at the resort. They will get what they deserve.

I don't sympathise with the accused.

We don't know the full story yet. It's possible that Michaela McAreavey attacked the intruder and he acted in self-defence.
I have empathy for most "murderers" in general because many of them have had no other chance in life.

These guys obviously had good-ish jobs and were either habitually stealing from rooms... or maybe this was the first one!?
All we know is that someone killed this woman - we don't know why and we don't know for sure that these are the guys.

tbh · 12-01-2011 09:59PM

OisinT wrote: »

I also apologise for being crass and suggesting it was the husband. I was really only trying to state that I thought it was murder and (was correct) that the husband would be a suspect in the case it was murder..

Fair play. I apologise for blowing up at you.

12-01-2011 10:00PM

x in the city wrote: »

idiot spelling poilice, can you restrain from correcting spellings on AH

thank you, there is a superior english forum somewhere i am sure

There is a poor dead girl, a thread about her in a busy forum, we could at least have enough respect for her to get her name right.
You'd be up in arms if someone misspelled your name. I'm not just being pedantic for the hell of it.

LizT · 12-01-2011 10:08PM

Horrible thing to happen to anyone, especially on her honeymoon.

My thoughts and prayers are with her family and husband, I can't begin to even imagine what they're going through.

thebigleap · 12-01-2011 10:23PM

There are a few possibilites why these guys confessed so quickly:

They were full of remorse and wanted to get it out of their systems. Especially as it wasn't premediated (allegedly). A smooth talking cop could easily persuade them that it would go easier on them if they confessed instead of dragging out the investigation.
OR
One of them 'hung' the other two so now it was a case of revealing the truth to protect themselves from other allegations (which one killed her and what were the roles of the other two).
OR
Maybe they were beaten to force a confession. But once they all have lawyers for trial, wouldn't that be revealed to the public, and damage the prosecution's case?

Assuming they're guilty I don't feel sorry for these guys at all; whatever the circumstances, murder is murder. They made a terrible choice and now they have to suffer the consequences.

There's that saying ''you made your bed....''

Vanbis · 12-01-2011 10:30PM

OisinT wrote: »

I don't sympathise with the accused.

We don't know the full story yet. It's possible that Michaela McAreavey attacked the intruder and he acted in self-defence.
I have empathy for most "murderers" in general because many of them have had no other chance in life.

These guys obviously had good-ish jobs and were either habitually stealing from rooms... or maybe this was the first one!?
All we know is that someone killed this woman - we don't know why and we don't know for sure that these are the guys.

I didn't mean to quote your post, i wasn't having a go at you incase you think i was.

I agree we don't know why she was killed and if anything was stolen but she was strangled, it was no accident.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2011 10:32PM

thebigleap wrote: »

Assuming they're guilty I don't feel sorry for these guys at all; whatever the circumstances, murder is murder. They made a terrible choice and now they have to suffer the consequences.

Murder is not always murder. There are many factors which influence the decision.

Self-defence, etc.

fedor.2. · 12-01-2011 10:34PM

OisinT wrote: »

Murder is not always murder. There are many factors which influence the decision.

Self-defence, etc.

She attacked the three of them first is it

Micheala Hartes murder, suspects caught

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