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Should elocution lessons be mandatory in school?

  • 12-01-2011 09:26PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?

    What do i tink?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    No, how else will people know that I had better parents than other people?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭proon4


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?

    Lower socio econmic background ???...Ya pompous pric... Words are just words.. Actions count

    Mod: Poster banned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?

    The use of grammar is flawed in almost every socio economic level to some degree


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    proon4 wrote: »
    Actions count
    And the ability to communicate effectively is one such action.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Let's start with teaching da youf how to use proper English and go from there. They's getting worse, they is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?

    Fuk dat!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    Hyasssss, indeeed, old bean, old crumpet, old thing. I think it's an absolutely captiol idea!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    proon4 wrote: »
    Lower socio econmic background ???...Ya pompous pric... Words are just words.. Actions count

    Hmmm. Quite.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?


    I think you're a snob.

    That's what I think.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    With out a doubt, yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭proon4


    dotsman wrote: »
    And the ability to communicate effectively is one such action.

    talk is just talk regardless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Yes


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I'd rather see electrocution phased in for pseudo-grammarians myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭proon4


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.


    " Dats cat..dat is "


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

    Oh yeah? C'mere a minute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭james098


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?
    I think we need to teach them to read and write first Grammar is the least of the countrys problems :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    amacachi wrote: »
    Oh yeah? C'mere a minute.

    [Correct grahmahhh] Oh, indeed? Sir, I would like to buttonhole you for a moment or two. Let me collect myself.[/Correct grahmahhh]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.


    I think that's what English classes are for.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    I'm confused. Is this not what regular english classes through primary and secondary school are meant to be for?


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Henrik Red Locomotive


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

    Fora are one thing, but I accidentally saw someone else's email while waiting at the work printer today. "Can you make sure x is been looked after"
    Ffs, in a professional environment! It would reflect SO badly on the company if that was an external email.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Henrik Red Locomotive


    I'm confused. Is this not what regular english classes through primary and secondary school are meant to be for?

    No they're apparently for making sure little Timmy is 'expressing himself' and who cares about spelling or grammar :rolleyes::mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭mud


    I had elocution lessons in secondary school. We used to enter recitation competitions etc.

    Good times :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 645 ✭✭✭chicken fingers


    With some of the scobes nowadays Id be in favour of electrocution lessons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    proon4 wrote: »
    talk is just talk regardless
    I'm afraid it's a lot more. You're just missing out;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



    What do you think?

    That is like, sooooo true, like. Those people from lower socio economic backgrounds have like totally random grammar. Like, I was talking to Sorcha last Sashurdoy nish and we like totally both agreed that they should get elocution lessons so they wouldn't be like so totally talking random and stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭carwash_2006


    I don't think it's entirely down to socio economic background. I know many from rich and supposedly good backgrounds that have little grasp of grammar and elocution. All schools should provide elocution, deportment and yes, grammar lessons. I understand that grammar is supposedly taught in all schools, but it would appear that in a lot of cases the lessons are not getting through. Perhaps we should be relooking the methods of ingraining some of these basic skills.

    The primary school I was in had half hour lessons, one each day in Speech and Drama, Dance, Singing and PE and then Art the last day. Definitely provided a good rounding in social etiquette without us suspecting it was hapening :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    OP - Why? I would be more concerned about teaching the ability to read, write and add & subtract properly. This applies to all students and not just some from a less privileged background.


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