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Micheala Hartes murder, suspects caught

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  • #92
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    There was a bereavement forum approved quite a while back, but I don't think it ever materialised.

    It's a sub forum of personal issues. Been around for a good while now


  • #93
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    feelingstressed wrote: »
    It's a sub forum of personal issues. Been around for a good while now
    Ok, the thread title confused me. The purpose of the suggested forum was to allow people to express their condolences to bereaved families rather than discuss issues regarding bereavement.


  • #94
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    scarymoon1 wrote: »
    Dudess - i cant believe you think they might not have done it. jesus christ who do you think did it so?? innocent until proven guilty yeah right - they are guilty simple as! although they will prob get away lightly by saying they were insane or it was an accident or some crap like that.

    They are charged with murder, so if found guilty they are unlikely to get off lightly. Countries in that part of the world tend to deal with serious crimes like murder more harshly than here. But nobody has been proven guilty yet. (the current president of Mauritius was in favour of re-introducing the death penalty but I don't know if that happened or not, I don't think so).

    Thinspired wrote: »
    It's not the first time honeymooners have been targeted when they were staying in a top-notch resort. Remember this awful, awful story?

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/07/31/antigua-honeymoon-murder-tragic-groom-ben-mullany-fought-for-his-bride-115875-20677861/

    That was an awful story alright. It's hard to comprehend the mentality of people who can do things like that. I don't agree with the death penalty in general but if thos guys were put against a wall and shot it would be hard to argue that they didn't get what they deserved. You'd be ashamed to be a member of the same species.


  • #95
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Rest in Peace Michaela McAreavy-Harte.

    It's hard to know how to make sense of things sometimes.

    Life is strange.

    Thoughts and wishes with Mickey and all the family.


  • #96
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Horrible story and a horrible way to have a life taken away.

    Unfortunately, it takes things like this to put me back in my box and put things in perspective.

    Hopefully, the right scumbag(s) are caught and are prosecuted to fullest extend. Would hate to imagine that the wrong person was convicted for this and that the real culprit(s) would be out and about.


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  • #97
    dietgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭dietgirl


    Mickey is a very religious man, he helped many families deal woth tradegy so he will be strong. He spoke at the novena in Galway a few years back. I just hope they got the right people are not just framing somebody


  • #98
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    dietgirl wrote: »
    Mickey is a very religious man, he helped many families deal woth tradegy so he will be strong. He spoke at the novena in Galway a few years back. I just hope they got the right people are not just framing somebody
    I really don’t want to drag this thread off topic, and this is off topic, but do you really think that religious people alone can be strong when dealing with tragedy (if I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying)?


  • #99
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    RIP - so sad I believe she was on her honeymoon

    Sympathies to her family and friends


  • #100
    curlzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭curlzy


    curlzy wrote: »
    Jesus you're so sanctimonious. Posters here aren't having an "who can be the most outraged" competition they're just discussing it so get off your soap box. I always can't get over how boardsies think what they say has any effect on anyone. Maybe get out in the real world for a while if you think people expressing their outrage on boards.ie is going to negatively effect anyone in the real world. :rolleyes:
    Pace2008 wrote: »
    The old attempt at creating a dichotomy between the "real" people and sheltered sorts like myself holed up in our ivory towers.

    The attitudes displayed here are not confined within these servers, they are very much carried over into real life - what would I know about that, though? I see it every day, and I can go into a newsagent and take my pick amongst the red-tops as hard proof of its existence.

    My post wasn't directly aimed at a poster or even a group of posters. My problem is with people thinking they have the right of it in all instances when there's not enough evidence to back it up.

    I think the suspects could very well be guilty. I say "think" rather than "know" because I'm not omniscient, hence I think some discretion would be appropriate, and it's not quite time to decide whether the suspects should be burned alive or hung, drawn and quartered.

    Is that reasonable?

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: So you're saying you think that boardsies are writing "the red-tops"? Is that what you mean when you say the opinions here are carried over to Real Life? You really think that English journalists are hanging around AH and getting their opinions from posters? Do you really think this is the place to put a stop to rabbling? On what planet do you think After Hours is the place to get rid of stupidity? Like the stupidity, racism, sexism and plain bad taste that's displayed on this forum daily is ok, but putting forth an opinion about a murder isn't ok if you don't have hard facts. Get over yourself. In answer to your question, no it's not reasonable, it's stupid drivil based on your own anecdotal evidence of what you see in the newsagents. So I stand by my opinion that you're sanctimonious.

    And in spirit of this being AH I will add a :P


  • #101
    Hannibal Smith
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    it's an awful story. On honeymoon just makes it so much worse...such a happy story one minute turning into an absolute nightmare.

    Hope the girl wasn't put through too much before they killed her. Her family and friends must be devastated.


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  • #102
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Heard on the radio at lunchtime that 2 have been charged with murder and 1 with conspiracy to murder. The thought strikes me though, how could the 3rd person be guilty of conspiracy to murder?
    If you copied a key for someone to get into a room and steal valuables while no-one is there, and they subsequently murder someone because they got caught red handed... I don't really see how you could have conspired to murder?


  • #103
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    barneystinson wrote: »
    Heard on the radio at lunchtime that 2 have been charged with murder and 1 with conspiracy to murder. The thought strikes me though, how could the 3rd person be guilty of conspiracy to murder?
    If you copied a key for someone to get into a room and steal valuables while no-one is there, and they subsequently murder someone because they got caught red handed... I don't really see how you could have conspired to murder?

    you have no idea of the evidence or facts that the police have. so wild speculation on the case is not going to get you anywhere.


  • #104
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Just saw the hotels site on virtual tourist, time to warn other would be guests about this hotel.
    Who in there right mind would go to Mauritius now, these people who killed her need to get the death penalty.


  • #105
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Just saw the hotels site on virtual tourist, time to warn other would be guests about this hotel.
    Who in there right mind would go to Mauritius now, these people who killed her need to get the death penalty.

    its been reported all over the world, its going to kill the trade of honeymooners and tourists. i read it on cnn.


  • #106
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    curlzy wrote: »
    So you're saying you think that boardsies are writing "the red-tops"?
    Er, no, not to the best of my knowledge. I said that these kind of attitudes aren’t exclusive to Boards.ie. They exist in reality, and tabloid newspapers are physical rather than anecdotal evidence that these exist. People read them, some take them to heart and their perception of what constitutes reasonable thought is influenced by them. I’ve never been sure whether these publications create this environment of hate or if they’re just a reflection of society’s darker side.
    Is that what you mean when you say the opinions here are carried over to Real Life?
    I’d imagine sentiments expressed here have at least some relation to what people believe in reality. They just tend to express them more strongly on the internet.
    sYou really think that English journalists are hanging around AH and getting their opinions from posters?
    No, didn’t even imply anything of the sort, though as an aside it’s not that uncommon for Irish papers to make filler pieces from some of the threads here. I do think they’re either catering to people think this way, or influencing them to think this way, or both.
    Do you really think this is the place to put a stop to rabbling? On what planet do you think After Hours is the place to get rid of stupidity?
    You’ve got to start somewhere. At least on the internet, people actually have to read what you say (even if they choose to completely misinterpret it) rather than putting their fingers in their ears, trying to shout you down and blanking you for a week because you disagree with them.

    I’ve been persuaded by reasonable arguments I’ve seen on the internet before. I’m sure I’m not unique in that regard.
    Like the stupidity, racism, sexism and plain bad taste that's displayed on this forum daily is ok, but putting forth an opinion about a murder isn't ok if you don't have hard facts. Get over yourself. In answer to your question, no it's not reasonable, it's stupid drivil based on your own anecdotal evidence of what you see in the newsagents.
    WTF? I don’t think they’re OK, I think they’re very much not OK. What was I supposed to say, “Guys, I think you might be jumping the gun a bit, and I’m firmly against the pervading sexism and racism on this forum?”

    We’re free to speculate all we want, once we know it is speculation. I’ve said as much more than once. It was manner in which some posters were putting across their opinions, which were more absolute judgement than speculation, that got to me.
    So I stand by my opinion that you're sanctimonious.
    You're the one preaching to me. You can continue shouting at me if you want for failing to grab my pitchfork and join the baying mob, and trying to represent the middle ground, I won’t be posting on this thread again. More fool I was knowing the way they usually go.

    Maybe read back over your replies to me and see if you’re being reasonable yourself.


  • #107
    GizAGoOfYerGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭GizAGoOfYerGee


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Who in there right mind would go to Mauritius now.

    17 year old Swiss girl, Manuela Riedo, was raped and murdered in Galway in 2007. Who in their right mind would go there? :rolleyes:


  • #108
    Renn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    There's been some amount of sh*t posted in the last few replies, yellow card me or whatever, just felt like saying it.

    Terrible tragedy, don't know how they'll get over this.


  • #109
    dolphin city
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭dolphin city


    GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »
    17 year old Swiss girl, Manuela Riedo, was raped and murdered in Galway in 2007. Who in their right mind would go there? :rolleyes:

    Manuela was walking in an unlit railway line at night, that even the locals would not do. She was targeted by a madman that was let loose from prison.

    She was not in a five star hotel in the middle of the day being targeted by the actual staff of the hotel who were employed by the hotel. Its a completely different scenario

    p.s. Manuela's parents go to Galway every year and have nothing but good things to say about the place and its people.


  • #110
    Smyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Smyth


    jesus christ. Heart sank reading about the case.

    I empathise with the husband the most. It'll tear him up until he dies.


  • #111
    Fozzie Bear
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    I can't get it out of my head that she walked out of that church with her husband on their wedding day with their lives ahead of them. A matter of days later she will be returning to that same church in a box, so her husband, family and friends can say goodbye. Its just mind boggling how things could turn like that in the blink of an eye. I feel really bad for her husband he must be absolutely shattered.

    Its interesting too that a man and woman were murdered with a shotgun in Limerick a few days ago leaving six children orphaned and there is no thread on AH about it. Nor any posters offering their R.I.P.'s, touching tributes and comments or squabbling about frankly bloody stupid points such as a previous posters grammer, spelling or slightly muddled messages. How was it any less of a tragedy I'm wondering?


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  • #112
    Guill
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    I can't get it out of my head that she walked out of that church with her husband on their wedding day with their lives ahead of them. A matter of days later she will be returning to that same church in a box, so her husband, family and friends can say goodbye. Its just mind boggling how things could turn like that in the blink of an eye. I feel really bad for her husband he must be absolutely shattered.

    I keep thinking the same.

    Its interesting too that a man and woman were murdered with a shotgun in Limerick a few days ago leaving six children orphaned and there is no thread on AH about it. Nor any posters offering their R.I.P.'s, touching tributes and comments or squabbling about frankly bloody stupid points such as a previous posters grammer, spelling or slightly muddled messages. How was it any less of a tragedy I'm wondering?

    Start one?


  • #113
    ottostreet
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    R.I.P. Michaela.

    A disgusting end to what should have been a bright beginning.

    Mickey does not seem to be a lucky man. Condolences to the family and to Michaela's new husband.


  • #114
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    I can't get it out of my head that she walked out of that church with her husband on their wedding day with their lives ahead of them. A matter of days later she will be returning to that same church in a box, so her husband, family and friends can say goodbye. Its just mind boggling how things could turn like that in the blink of an eye. I feel really bad for her husband he must be absolutely shattered.

    Its interesting too that a man and woman were murdered with a shotgun in Limerick a few days ago leaving six children orphaned and there is no thread on AH about it. Nor any posters offering their R.I.P.'s, touching tributes and comments or squabbling about frankly bloody stupid points such as a previous posters grammer, spelling or slightly muddled messages. How was it any less of a tragedy I'm wondering?

    Lovely post.


  • #115
    macquarie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭macquarie


    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    I can't get it out of my head that she walked out of that church with her husband on their wedding day with their lives ahead of them. A matter of days later she will be returning to that same church in a box, so her husband, family and friends can say goodbye. Its just mind boggling how things could turn like that in the blink of an eye. I feel really bad for her husband he must be absolutely shattered.

    Its interesting too that a man and woman were murdered with a shotgun in Limerick a few days ago leaving six children orphaned and there is no thread on AH about it. Nor any posters offering their R.I.P.'s, touching tributes and comments or squabbling about frankly bloody stupid points such as a previous posters grammer, spelling or slightly muddled messages. How was it any less of a tragedy I'm wondering?

    Not one of those 6 children was orphaned, they had 3 children each from different partners and only actually met each other a few months ago afaik.

    Secondly, the guy who was shot was a well known criminal who killed an innocent young girl while joyriding a stolen car a few years ago and laughed at her family in court.

    Yeah that case is very similar to Michaela Harte's murder :rolleyes:


  • #116
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    macquarie wrote: »
    Not one of those 6 children was orphaned, they had 3 children each from different partners and only actually met each other a few months ago afaik.

    Secondly, the guy who was shot was a well known criminal who killed an innocent young girl while joyriding a stolen car a few years ago and laughed at her family in court.

    Yeah that case is very similar to Michaela Harte's murder :rolleyes:

    There is a class divide in these things though. We don't like to acknowledge it but there is.

    Not taking away from Michaela at all, but a daughter of a senior county manager is always going to get more press coverage than the woman who was shot in Limerick. It's just the way it is.


  • #117
    GizAGoOfYerGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭GizAGoOfYerGee


    dolphin city wrote: »
    She was not in a five star hotel in the middle of the day being targeted by the actual staff of the hotel who were employed by the hotel. Its a completely different scenario

    It's not. Murder is murder.

    Murder of one of our own citizens in another country will always leave a stain of distrust on that country - just as John-Joe expressed. I replied to him in frustration of this fact, as one cannot blame or tar an entire country because of the act of one murderous misfit.

    The Riedo case absolutely sickened me at the time, and still does today. Yet her parents only made positive comments about Galway and Ireland, which is some ways makes it even more heart-wrenching.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/manuelas-parents-shun-controversy-over-foundation-2133640.html

    I feel terribly for Michaela's family and I hope that justice is served ASAP.

    Lifetime solitary confinement, 23 hours in cell, 1 hour excersise with no daylight, and no contact with the outside world. That would be my justice; better than the death penalty.


  • #118
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »
    It's not. Murder is murder.

    Murder of one of our own citizens in another country will always leave a stain of distrust on that country - just as John-Joe expressed. I replied to him in frustration of this fact, as one cannot blame or tar an entire country because of the act of one murderous misfit.

    The Riedo case absolutely sickened me at the time, and still does today. Yet her parents only made positive comments about Galway and Ireland, which is some ways makes it even more heart-wrenching.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/manuelas-parents-shun-controversy-over-foundation-2133640.html

    I feel terribly for Michaela's family and I hope that justice is served ASAP.

    Lifetime solitary confinement, 23 hours in cell, 1 hour excersise with no daylight, and no contact with the outside world. That would be my justice; better than the death penalty.

    I wouldn't agree with that justice. I'd say the justice in their own head will be enough. I don't think it's possible to kill without feeling remorse at some stage. Imagine carrying around that burden in your head. The knowing that you killed some-one.


  • #119
    prinz
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I wouldn't agree with that justice. I'd say the justice in their own head will be enough. I don't think it's possible to kill without feeling remorse at some stage. Imagine carrying around that burden in your head. The knowing that you killed some-one.

    Some people seem to carry it lightly enough. This was a particularly nasty murder too.


  • #120
    Fizman
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    dolphin city wrote: »
    Manuela was walking in an unlit railway line at night, that even the locals would not do. She was targeted by a madman that was let loose from prison.

    She was not in a five star hotel in the middle of the day being targeted by the actual staff of the hotel who were employed by the hotel. Its a completely different scenario

    p.s. Manuela's parents go to Galway every year and have nothing but good things to say about the place and its people.

    You make a valid point regarding both being very different.

    However, if someone from another country looked at the bit I have put in bold font above........who in their right mind would visit Ireland again?


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  • #121
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    There is a class divide in these things though. We don't like to acknowledge it but there is.

    Not taking away from Michaela at all, but a daughter of a senior county manager is always going to get more press coverage than the woman who was shot in Limerick. It's just the way it is.

    It's not really a class divide..just more people know of Michaela and like her..she was quite a sight out on the pitch on match day


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