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Worlds fattest man to sue

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Than what?

    He probably had no clue he was eating 20K kcals. He probably just got depressed/panicked without food.

    What he needed was psychological help in addition to diet/exercise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭smokedeels


    I think he's making a meal out of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭gondorff


    Greedy fat kunt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    I'ld want a girlfriend like that!!

    Maybe if I'm really sad she could buy me a Merc SLS AMG...

    wasted opportunity.

    "I'm hungry... give me a BJ to take my mind off it" :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    He probably had no clue he was eating 20K kcals. He probably just got depressed/panicked without food.

    What he needed was psychological help in addition to diet/exercise

    He might not have known it was 20,000 calories he was eating but if you are going to try and tell me he didn't know that it was sitting on his arse all day and eating whole 24 packs of fried sausages in one go that was making him fat then you are very naive man.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭KungPao


    I know he has big problems, but he has beef with the people who want to help him. What about the people who egged him on?

    It all seems ham-fisted to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,161 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    KungPao wrote: »
    I know he has big problems, but he has beef with the people who want to help him. What about the people who egged him on?

    It all seems ham-fisted to me.

    He's going to eat them all??!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    It is perfectly obvious that the man has an eating disorder. No doctor would (hopefully!) tell a depressed person to try "feeling happy" - so why tell an obese person with an eating disorder to go on a diet?

    I don't think he should sue the NHS, though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    It is perfectly obvious that the man has an eating disorder. No doctor would (hopefully!) tell a depressed person to try "feeling happy" - so why tell an obese person with an eating disorder to go on a diet?

    I've seen it happen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    He's looking for a generous helping of compensation...compensation because he stuffed himself with food and now he's fat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    strobe wrote: »
    He might not have known it was 20,000 calories he was eating but if you are going to try and tell me he didn't know that it was sitting on his arse all day and eating whole 24 packs of fried sausages in one go that was making him fat then you are very naive man.

    I'm sure he knew, but depression and misery can block out rational thought. He probably didn't see light at the end of the tunnel.

    When you're that far gone I'd imagine it's pretty difficult to know where to start, I mean when he went to the doctor he was 30stone. Were he to lose 10 stone he'd still be morbidly obese unless hes very tall.

    I think just giving someone like that a diet and exercise plan ignores the root of the problem is psychological in many cases.

    So basically I think the health service made a poor call, had they got him psychological help then they probably would have saved thousands, therefore I'm glad they're being sued because it will lead to new guidelines and protocall being established.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Degsy wrote: »
    He's looking for a generous helping of compensation...compensation because he stuffed himself with food and now he's fat.

    He's a genius


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Aside from locking him in a room with an armed guard, how the fúck could the NHS stop him from eating?

    This is the crux of the matter.

    The fat fúcker says that someone kept feeding him, and yet NHS are the bad people? Fúcking douche. Should've sent the girlfriend to the dietician, as she was the one feeding him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Sweet wrote: »
    I'm sorry, what? Is it 'ok' to abuse any social group?

    Eh, no. That's not what I said at all. Sometimes it seems that overwight people are the last remaining social group on whom it's ok to heap generalised abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    maglite wrote: »
    There was something wrong with him, if an anorexic came in they would have helped them, not just said go to KFC and stuff your face.

    But ya, whoever the frigg fed him shout be beaten stupid(er)

    Great point.
    Degsy wrote: »
    He's looking for a generous helping of compensation...compensation because he stuffed himself with food and now he's fat.

    Compensation he's pledged to use to help other people with obesity related problems. If he was just out for himself I'd condemn him but I think he has a genuine motive
    Barrington wrote: »
    They sent him to a dietician. If he can't show that he can lose some weight by himself and control his eating habits, stomach stapling or whatever would be too risky. And I really doubt he was told to 'ride his bike more'.

    A dietician could have helped revise his diet, work out how many calories he needs and work out a plan for him. It may not have been the option he wanted, but it was a valid course of action on behalf of the NHS.

    Valid course of action for most people, but the NHS isn't a computer. The doctor should have pegged that this guy was overeating due to a psychological issue and dealt with that first. Think of all the people yo-yo dieting - for a lot of people dieting only works in the short term. If they addressed why they overeat in the first place their weight would be more likely to stabilise at a healthy level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    He probably didn't see light at the end of the tunnel.
    After Hours answer: he was probably blocking the light at the end of the tunnel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    the_syco wrote: »
    After Hours answer: he was probably blocking the light at the end of the tunnel.

    Probably blocking the train too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard




    Compensation he's pledged to use to help other people with obesity related problems. If he was just out for himself I'd condemn him but I think he has a genuine motive

    Forgive me if I take this declaration on his part with a large pinch of salt. Also, any funds that he might receive will likely come out of the NHS budget, so even if he does donate it to charity, it is at the expense of treatment for seriously ill patients.
    Valid course of action for most people, but the NHS isn't a computer. The doctor should have pegged that this guy was overeating due to a psychological issue and dealt with that first. Think of all the people yo-yo dieting - for a lot of people dieting only works in the short term. If they addressed why they overeat in the first place their weight would be more likely to stabilise at a healthy level.

    I think you're coming close to completely absolving this man of responsiblity for his own situation. Fair enough, perhaps the doctor didn't deal with his initial approach in the best manner, but he always had the option of seeking a second opinion either then, or in the 20 years since. This is a morbidly obese man who seems to have visited one doctor about his condition in almost two decades. I've visited the doctor more for an ingrown toe nail in the past few months. Clearly he has taken no responsibility whatsoever for his situation, and now seeks to entirely transfer that burden to third parties.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    If you watched the documentary you'd have seen that he had no girlfriend the years he was confined to bed and it was his NHS carer/s that brought him all of his food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,890 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Stheno wrote: »
    If you watched the documentary you'd have seen that he had no girlfriend the years he was confined to bed and it was his NHS carer/s that brought him all of his food.

    Now that's a different story altogether. I didn't see the documentary. If it was NHS carers feeding him over the past 10 years or so, then perhaps he does have just cause for suing them.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Barrington wrote: »
    Now that's a different story altogether. I didn't see the documentary. If it was NHS carers feeding him over the past 10 years or so, then perhaps he does have just cause for suing them.

    He was bedbound for almost 10 years, and had carers in from the morning until about 8pm at night when he was alone. They brought his food to him, him being unable to get out of bed etc. The food itself was delivered to the house in some cases (takeaways) and the carers cooked some of it. He'd two carers iirc, one of whom was involved in his hospital care.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Stheno wrote: »
    If you watched the documentary you'd have seen that he had no girlfriend the years he was confined to bed and it was his NHS carer/s that brought him all of his food.

    Which fat man are we talking about? I'm talking about the guy who's show was presented by Richard Hammond. "Britains fattest man" or something. Think his name was Barry.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    k_mac wrote: »
    Which fat man are we talking about? I'm talking about the guy who's show was presented by Richard Hammond. "Britains fattest man" or something. Think his name was Barry.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/britains-fattest-man

    See the link above his name was Paul Mason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Einhard wrote: »
    Forgive me if I take this declaration on his part with a large pinch of salt. Also, any funds that he might receive will likely come out of the NHS budget, so even if he does donate it to charity, it is at the expense of treatment for seriously ill patients.

    Obese people are basically seriously ill patients in training. Huge risk factor for all kinds of diabetic/CV stuff. Long term it makes sense to invest some funds in getting them slimmer alongside their own responsibility to do so.

    I'm not saying the state should take over I just think the reality is a lot of people will become obese should we leave them to their own devices in a world where carbohydrates and fatty meat are cheap and easily available.

    I would love to see a progressive plan where say you get free health insurance and pay less taxes if you can squat/deadlift your own bodyweight and Bench 75% of your bodyweight. You'd see people hitting the gym then
    I think you're coming close to completely absolving this man of responsiblity for his own situation. Fair enough, perhaps the doctor didn't deal with his initial approach in the best manner, but he always had the option of seeking a second opinion either then, or in the 20 years since. This is a morbidly obese man who seems to have visited one doctor about his condition in almost two decades. I've visited the doctor more for an ingrown toe nail in the past few months. Clearly he has taken no responsibility whatsoever for his situation, and now seeks to entirely transfer that burden to third parties.

    No I wouldn't go that far. Sure he should have addressed this earlier in his life, when he was 15-20 stone for example.

    That however does not take away from criticism of the NHS for handling it very badly when he was 30 stone. If they get sued they will have new protocall, which will prevent cases like this in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Obese people are basically seriously ill patients in training. Huge risk factor for all kinds of diabetic/CV stuff. Long term it makes sense to invest some funds in getting them slimmer alongside their own responsibility to do so.

    I'm not saying the state should take over I just think the reality is a lot of people will become obese should we leave them to their own devices in a world where carbohydrates and fatty meat are cheap and easily available.

    I would love to see a progressive plan where say you get free health insurance and pay less taxes if you can squat/deadlift your own bodyweight and Bench 75% of your bodyweight. You'd see people hitting the gym then

    I agree with you about the need for early intervention to reduce obesity, and more targetted approach by doctors and medical practicioners. I think that whenever an obese or seriosuly overwight person visits a GP, the GP should make reference to the need for that person to lose weight, and suggest a plan. I was pretty obese myself for a few years, and it was only ever related in the context of related conditions. If I walked into a surgery with a tumour on my face, the doctor would be quick to act, yet people can walk in with a condition that threatens their health and wellbeing and nothing is said. However, obese people do need to take responsibility for their own conditions too, and this guy seems utterly incapable of doing so.

    No I wouldn't go that far. Sure he should have addressed this earlier in his life, when he was 15-20 stone for example.

    That however does not take away from criticism of the NHS for handling it very badly when he was 30 stone. If they get sued they will have new protocall, which will prevent cases like this in the future.

    Perhaps the NHS is open to criticism but suing the service is not the solution, and I think it's naive to believe his claims that he's doing it for altruisitc purposes. If anything, this action is likely to increase the ire that is often targetted at obese people.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Einhard wrote: »
    Sometimes it seems that overwight people are the last remaining social group on whom it's ok to heap generalised abuse.

    Yes and we have to heap it on them quickly before they eat themselves to death!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,006 ✭✭✭Ann22


    I watched it last night. I did feel sorry for him at the start of it, he was lying there in his enormous gelatinous fatness, cameras all over his nakedness. Horrifying image, I couldn't tell which end was his top end only for his head peeking out:(.

    He spoke about his two sisters who weren't talking to him as he pressured his mother to remortgage the house to pay for all his tons of grub thus losing their inheritance. He cried and told them to the camera that he was sorry.

    He spoke about all the poo he was making...piles of it in his nappy, said it was embarrassing 'cos the mountains of food was making mountains of crap. Imagine all that had to be cleaned out of all the creases. He had a carer who seemed to be there all the time, cooking lovely meals and cleaning him up etc.

    He did lose the plot when told over the phone that his allowance was being cut from £700 a wk to £350. He wailed with his mouth wide open...like a two yr old would. His carer moved onto another job, however later on it showed a group of women cleaning him up, rubbing cream on him and cooking for him.

    The doctors were marvellous, performed the stomach stapling and the bit of cosmetic surgery where a stone and a half of blobby wobbly fat was removed from some part of his lower half. I couldn't tell where it was coming from for the life of me:confused:. They had to get 3 or 4 tables for him to lie on and get the floor reinforced in the theatre in case he fell through it:eek:.

    The doctor who specialised in cases like his was sympathetic, said it wasn't as if he'd woken up one day and declared 'right, I'm going to be fat!'....I laughed heartily at this comment then realised he wasn't joking. Considering the care he did eventually get I was quite shocked to hear that he was suing the national health. Surely he should be thanking God that he has survived the operations so far and has a chance of living a normal life? He can do a lot more to highlight his cause without screwing an already struggling institution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    A person would surely have to have mental/emotional issues to allow food have that much control over them, so I feel sorry for him in that regard - I also don't blame him totally for developing such abysmal habits. As a child, he was not the food buyer/preparer. But suing is utterly ridiculous. It's abdication of personal responsibility taken too far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    i would,nt like to clean out his cage:D:mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Eating disorders are a lot more complicated than that.

    He says he'll put any money he wins toward helping other obese people.
    It seems he got terrible treatment from his GP and dietician.

    I don't think medical professionals approach overweight/obesity properly so considering the above I say fair play to this guy
    You are Kevin Myers and I claim my £5.


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