Poor Road Signage Pictures

flazio · 20-11-2010 02:18AM

kbannon wrote: »

As its slightly lower than the 100km/h limit, at least people won't get done for unwittingly speeding because of this error.

Actually the village of Aughrim is just over the bridge as you face the the 'No overtaking' sides of the sign. So as you are leaving the village approaching the bridge you get the '80kph' signs and then when you cross, you get those black lines.

dazzerb · 21-11-2010 09:35PM

spotted this in Union Hall today.

Cookie_Monster · 22-11-2010 08:27AM

dazzerb wrote: »

spotted this in Union Hall today.

whats wrong with that?

22-11-2010 08:47AM

Legally correct, just daft!

busman · 22-11-2010 09:27AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

whats wrong with that?

What's wrong is that most other countries have a system where they base the speed limits on what is a safe speed of the "actual" road.

Unlike us, where by default a N road is 100kph, doesn't matter if it's a
dual-carriage way or a twisty single lane road! Ditto for the regional roads.

My American relations always get a kick out of our road signs. Me I know better! Any sign in Ireland, road or other wise is not to
be taken literally. they are for display purposes only!

ardmacha · 23-11-2010 07:40PM

What's wrong is that most other countries have a system where they base the speed limits on what is a safe speed of the "actual" road.

Do they? This is one thing for New World countries with roads built for motor traffic. A traditional road such as the one shown has wide sections and narrower sections, straight sections and hilly sections, and no limit is appropriate for it all. You'd have to have speed limit signs plastered all over the countryside. European countries generally do not post different limits for every bend in the road.

A speed limit is a legal restriction not a recommended speed for the road.

My American relations always get a kick out of our road signs.

Americans need these speed limit signs since they are frequently crap drivers.

We don't have much to learn from the US. Take the State of Kentucky, population a little less than the 26 counties. In 2009, 791 died on the roads there compared to 239 here. We have more to learn from our neighbours in GB, where all out of town roads have 60 mph speed limit.

Cookie_Monster · 23-11-2010 07:59PM

ardmacha wrote: »

We have more to learn from our neighbours in GB, where all out of town roads have 60 mph speed limit.

except that they aren'tall 60...
All DC's outside of town are 70, motorway or not

Victor · 23-11-2010 10:32PM

ardmacha wrote: »

European countries generally do not post different limits for every bend in the road.

They seem to do so in Gran Canaria.

Howth Road · 24-12-2010 05:43PM

There are two railway bridges in Drogheda (on the Navan branch line), where the local council have a stop sign at one side, and a yield sign at the other. In other words, traffic in one direction is required to yield to the stopped traffic in the other direction!!!

Seth Brundle · 24-12-2010 10:19PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

except that they aren'tall 60...
All DC's outside of town are 70, motorway or not

...unless otherwise stated!

Incidentally, the R148 from the N4 into Leixlip still has several different speed limits.
Coming from the N4 (heading West), its 50km/h.
Coming from Celbridge & AFAIK the N4 East, its 60km/h.
Coming from Leixlip, the speed limit is 60km/h.

Chris_5339762 · 09-01-2011 06:15PM

Apart from the mashing together of images -

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tipperary+ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.641855,114.169922&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Tipperary,+County+Tipperary,+Ireland&ll=52.30596,-8.163528&spn=0.073893,0.222988&z=13&layer=c&cbll=52.30577,-8.164432&panoid=BOoInkazSiS_4Dfg7jf_oA&cbp=12,47.56,,1,3.75

Whats wrong with that one?

L1011 · 09-01-2011 07:00PM

I mentioned that 20-30 pages ago but couldn't get a pic due to no GSV at the time and not being willing to stop on a motorway!

Bill G · 09-01-2011 07:38PM

ardmacha wrote: »

We don't have much to learn from the US. Take the State of Kentucky, population a little less than the 26 counties. In 2009, 791 died on the roads there compared to 239 here. We have more to learn from our neighbours in GB, where all out of town roads have 60 mph speed limit.

Let's not get into this debate again. Americans on average drive way more than Irish drivers. If you look at the fatalities per 100 million km driven, Kentucky is about 1.0 fatality per 100 million km, Ireland is about 1.5 per 100 million.

Cookie_Monster · 09-01-2011 07:51PM

No pic but I cycled past a sign on Thursday warning of roadworks continuing until Aug 2006

Victor · 09-01-2011 08:23PM

Bill G wrote: »

Let's not get into this debate again. Americans on average drive way more than Irish drivers. If you look at the fatalities per 100 million km driven, Kentucky is about 1.0 fatality per 100 million km, Ireland is about 1.5 per 100 million.

Its more complicated than that. Irish people, on average drive more than Americans. However, within those groups, there are some people who drive an awful lot, and some that don't drive at all.

Fatalities per 100 million km is a poor measurement. While it may explain things, it doesn't in any way justify them.

ardmacha · 10-01-2011 02:57AM

If you look at the fatalities per 100 million km driven, Kentucky is about 1.0 fatality per 100 million km, Ireland is about 1.5 per 100 million.

I am afraid that your calculations a bit out there. Kentucky probably is just over 1 fatality per 100 million km, converting from US data in miles. But if you look at the OECD IRTAD site the rate for Ireland is given as 4.9 per billion or 0.49 per 100 million, or just under half of Kentucky. The overall figure for the USA in 2009 was 7.9 per billion/Km.

Bill G · 10-01-2011 02:58PM

You are correct ardmacha. I must of been using older data for Ireland. But some US states have an even better record than Ireland. Any southern states should always be disregarded

And as for Victor's "Fatalities per 100 million km is a poor measurement"
To quote the IRTAD "Fatalities per billion vehicle –kilometres (or fatalities per billion vehicle‐miles)... This is the most objective indicator to describe risk on the road network."

**Timbuk2** · 10-01-2011 10:25PM

I didn't want to start a whole thread for this, but I wondered if this is a mistake?

I was driving back from Dublin today, joining the M1 at the Port Tunnel (from the Whitehall and Drumcondra direction) and noticed the sign said M50, not M1.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.395792,-6.239998&spn=0,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.39585,-6.239947&panoid=mJ97qscd49KzF7g0w4-BRg&cbp=12,29,,0,15.31

Is this correct? Surely it's the M1?

ardmacha · 10-01-2011 10:29PM

No, the Port Tunnel is the M50. Where it gets interesting from the signposting perspective is that joining at the docks you are on M50 southbound!

Our man in Havana · 10-01-2011 10:29PM

Nope. The Port Tunnel is M50.

**Timbuk2** · 10-01-2011 10:31PM

Thanks for the answers! Although it doesn't make a lot of sense (in my mind) to have the PT as the M50 - I was going by Google Maps which said it was the M1.

Am I right in saying that the 'M1' doesn't start until the M50/M1 junction, or does it actually start at the Whitehall entrance of the PT?

Sorry for derailing the thread!

Our man in Havana · 10-01-2011 10:32PM

The M1 starts at the M1/M50 junction near the airport.

mackerski · 10-01-2011 11:04PM

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

Thanks for the answers! Although it doesn't make a lot of sense (in my mind) to have the PT as the M50 - I was going by Google Maps which said it was the M1.

Google maps are very rarely to be trusted on such matters.

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

Am I right in saying that the 'M1' doesn't start until the M50/M1 junction, or does it actually start at the Whitehall entrance of the PT?

It starts at M50/M1 junction as shown correctly here.

**Timbuk2** · 10-01-2011 11:10PM

Thanks for the link! OSM is a really good website yet I always seem to forget about it!

It isn't just Google Maps, the Satnav thinks it's the M1 as well :P

Thanks for clearing that up!

markpb · 10-01-2011 11:13PM

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

It isn't just Google Maps, the Satnav thinks it's the M1 as well :P

It doesn't help that the NRA didn't fix the signs properly as seen here. This has since changed and now there are signs showing M50 and M1 but it's not clear which is the current road and which is the destination road.

Also, for a long time, Google Maps thought DPT was the M1 and later, Gracepark road.

mackerski · 10-01-2011 11:14PM

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

It isn't just Google Maps, the Satnav thinks it's the M1 as well :P

Is it a Tom Tom? Remember that most online maps or satnavs draw their map data from only a few sources, mainly:

Navteq: Not bad, owned by Nokia and used by Garmin, Navigon, Yahoo and Bing Maps
TeleAtlas: For Ireland truly apalling, owned by Tom Tom, used by them, Google Maps and others.
Oh, and increasingly OSM, used by Skobbler, being migrated to by Mapquest (Beta site up) and with some exploratory use by Bing Maps

**Timbuk2** · 10-01-2011 11:21PM

Actually I was completely wrong about the Satnav - it does actually display it as M50. I got confused because I saw an 'N1' over the motorway, but that is actually where the N1 is over the DPT. It's a Garmin with Navteq Maps!

But Google Maps is still showing the DPT as 'M1'. When I saw the sign today at Whitehall, I either assumed it was a mistake, or that because when you join what I thought was the M1, you have to make a lane change / merge to head for the Airport / North, whereas you keep going straight on for the M50, and thus led to the sign saying M50 (not a logical conclusion :P).

flazio · 10-01-2011 11:38PM

Wait so your Sat nav works in the tunnel?

**Timbuk2** · 11-01-2011 12:04AM

flazio wrote: »

Wait so your Sat nav works in the tunnel?

It works for some of it, but then it "loses satellite reception". But from viewing the maps on the Satnav, it has the DPT down - and it's the M50.

So does that mean, that when you are coming from Drumcondra towards the M1 / Airport direction, that you are driving North but on the M50 southbound? :P

L1011 · 11-01-2011 12:16AM

flazio wrote: »

Wait so your Sat nav works in the tunnel?

Most modern ones pretend to, by dead reckoning (advancing you at the same speed you entered at) and sometimes detecting that you're still moving by a gyro.

Poor Road Signage Pictures

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