Overpriced Drugs

pajero12 · 06-01-2011 10:59PM #1

I was reading the Business of Farming section of the farmers journal and there was a list of drugs and the average prices,Just realised were getting screwed over.One example,a bottle of Baytril is on that list at E45. Just bought it from the vet for E70. Did anyone compare what they're paying with that list?

blue5000 · 07-01-2011 12:18AM

Ya was shocked that tribovax T can be got for 18e /50 ml. Paid double that last summer!

whelan1 · 07-01-2011 06:39AM

pays to shop around

Figerty · 07-01-2011 10:37PM

Bougt Closamectin from the vet $135 litre lately.... same bottle in a nearby merchants in Ennis was €165!!!

WTF.

Cowmad · 07-01-2011 11:45PM

bought a bottle of marbocyl for 140. and the vet was asking 170. what a f***ing rip off

jtex · 08-01-2011 12:12AM

vet's here are taking the p@:{ got a straight bottle of penstrep €20 (last year at lambing) they said the price was because they had to write a prescription got the same bottle for £6 in the north where i now buy the majority of what i need

LostCovey · 08-01-2011 01:27AM

jtex wrote: »

vet's here are taking the p@:{ got a straight bottle of penstrep €20 (last year at lambing) they said the price was because they had to write a prescription got the same bottle for £6 in the north where i now buy the majority of what i need

That's an amazing difference. Where can I buy it in the North?

LC

whelan1 · 08-01-2011 06:36AM

Cowmad wrote: »

bought a bottle of marbocyl for 140. and the vet was asking 170. what a f***ing rip off

where did you buy it ? isn't it perscription only

Cowmad · 08-01-2011 01:00PM

The fella i got it off is a qualified vet. But he owns and runs a pharmacy and does the vet stuff on the side.He does it all legal. Vets here are going mad over him.

whelan1 · 08-01-2011 01:17PM

a couple of years ago i had just bought a 100ml bottle of marbocyl and was walking across the yard , i dropped it , it hit off a stone and smashed into a million pieces , i now only buy the 50ml bottle:rolleyes:

irishh_bob · 08-01-2011 01:31PM

pajero12 wrote: »

I was reading the Business of Farming section of the farmers journal and there was a list of drugs and the average prices,Just realised were getting screwed over.One example,a bottle of Baytril is on that list at E45. Just bought it from the vet for E70. Did anyone compare what they're paying with that list?

mark ups on drugs is where vets make thier real money , on my bros farm , we avoid buying anything bar what cant be bought off chemists , co - ops etc , worm dose , dry tubes , mastitis tubes , , wouldnt go near a vet for it

while not in the same leagues as doctors in terms of greed and sense of entitlement , vets have been given far too much respect by goverment down the years , time sheltered sectors of the economy were exposed to the chill winds of the free market

dar31 · 08-01-2011 02:57PM

has any one ever got a prescription from their vet for the likes of pen streph and such, and then bought it of of cahl or any or them sort of companies.
heard there is a huge difference in prices on the every day drugs.
in the process of changing vets, and was thinking of requesting that kind of service from them.
or would i be forcing the poor vets on to the poverty line.
any one done anything similar???

whelan1 · 08-01-2011 03:05PM

i buy most things off my vet cheaper than cahl , i just haggle with him and theres no messing with prescriptions etc, also vet will charge you for the pleasure of giving you a prescription to buy elsewhere

Feargal as Luimneach · 08-01-2011 05:37PM

Most vets cannot compete will larger outlets like big pharmacies or Co-ops. Just as a small local shop cannot compete in prices with large food outlets like Tesco/Aldi. The local vet cannot buy in bulk like a Co-op.
People should think about that before bitching about prices of drugs from vets.

whelan1 · 08-01-2011 05:50PM

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Most vets cannot compete will larger outlets like big pharmacies or Co-ops. Just as a small local shop cannot compete in prices with large food outlets like Tesco/Aldi. The local vet cannot buy in bulk like a Co-op.
People should think about that before bitching about prices of drugs from vets.

i have always stood up for my local vet on boards

LostCovey · 08-01-2011 07:43PM

Cowmad wrote: »

The fella i got it off is a qualified vet. But he owns and runs a pharmacy and does the vet stuff on the side.He does it all legal. Vets here are going mad over him.

I never suspected it was illegal, just wanted to know how to locate him!!!!!!!

Sounds like the place to get the stuff.

LC

LostCovey · 08-01-2011 07:50PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

vets have been given far too much respect by goverment down the years , time sheltered sectors of the economy were exposed to the chill winds of the free market

I don't really think they have a soft time, or are too feather-bedded. Tough job.

If I can buy something legally cheaper, I will, that is the free market. Only thing is, you hear rumours all the time about where stuff can be bought cheap, but they never materialise, or else they are illegal, or counterfeit, or smuggled or whatever.

Like I say, cheapest price is best price, as long as its legal.

I really wonder about how legal the cross-border thing is with the pharmacy owning vet as outlined above - I look forward to cow-mad explaining how it works.

LC

whelan1 · 08-01-2011 08:03PM

if you are a doctor the patient will tell you where the pain is an animal cant do that

pajero12 · 08-01-2011 08:05PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

while not in the same leagues as doctors in terms of greed and sense of entitlement , vets have been given far too much respect by goverment down the years , time sheltered sectors of the economy were exposed to the chill winds of the free market

I have to disagree here, From some work I did with a vet a couple years back,Its a very tough job, That respect is well deserved!

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

. The local vet cannot buy in bulk like a Co-op.
People should think about that before bitching about prices of drugs from vets.

Thats fair enough but still, 25 quid on a bottle of baytril is a pure pisstake!

LostCovey · 08-01-2011 10:35PM

pajero12 wrote: »

I have to disagree here, From some work I did with a vet a couple years back,Its a very tough job, That respect is well deserved!

Thats fair enough but still, 25 quid on a bottle of baytril is a pure pisstake!

It's nothing compared to the mark-up on a litre of milk after it leaves the farm.

irishh_bob · 09-01-2011 02:17PM

LostCovey wrote: »

I don't really think they have a soft time, or are too feather-bedded. Tough job.

If I can buy something legally cheaper, I will, that is the free market. Only thing is, you hear rumours all the time about where stuff can be bought cheap, but they never materialise, or else they are illegal, or counterfeit, or smuggled or whatever.

Like I say, cheapest price is best price, as long as its legal.

I really wonder about how legal the cross-border thing is with the pharmacy owning vet as outlined above - I look forward to cow-mad explaining how it works.

LC

my brother buys his drugs

off a registered chemist in the south east , this guys prices are about 40% cheaper than in the local vets

irishh_bob · 09-01-2011 02:20PM

pajero12 wrote: »

I have to disagree here, From some work I did with a vet a couple years back,Its a very tough job, That respect is well deserved!

Thats fair enough but still, 25 quid on a bottle of baytril is a pure pisstake!

you misunderstand me , when i say too much respect has been shown to vets , i dont mean from farmers in terms of the unsociable hours they put in

goverment has given into the vets lobby for years by allowing vets to have a monopoly on certain drugs and like with the GP sector , thier is a cap on the number of vetenery practices which can be started up , this in turn results in a protectionist monopolistic enviroment in which vets can over charge , while vets are not as protected as GP,s , they do not operate in a truly free market either

irishh_bob · 09-01-2011 02:22PM

LostCovey wrote: »

It's nothing compared to the mark-up on a litre of milk after it leaves the farm.

the creamerys have to spend money to process the milk , the retailer also has costs

the vets costs when dealing in drugs amount to buying a pen so as to write a ( new ) price on the bottle

irishh_bob · 09-01-2011 02:24PM

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Most vets cannot compete will larger outlets like big pharmacies or Co-ops. Just as a small local shop cannot compete in prices with large food outlets like Tesco/Aldi. The local vet cannot buy in bulk like a Co-op.
People should think about that before bitching about prices of drugs from vets.

now ive heard it all :rolleyes:

if vets are so hard up and have so little out of selling drugs , perhaps they should leave that to the pharmacists , i dont see GP,s selling drugs aswell as treating people , sure the vets could emulate the doctors and earn thier crust by just prescribing the drugs , doctors certainly make a small fortune writing prescriptions dockets

exileincork · 09-01-2011 05:33PM

vets dont earn anywhere in the region that doctors do...i have close relative a vet and another a doctor...vet def works longer hours and earns a lot less...also alot of work is done on credit and alot of farmers very slow to pay these bills. how many here pay up front for the drugs?

LostCovey · 09-01-2011 05:53PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

, thier is a cap on the number of vetenery practices which can be started up , this in turn results in a protectionist monopolistic enviroment in which vets can over charge , while vets are not as protected as GP,s , they do not operate in a truly free market either

This is simply untrue.

Total and absolute fiction.

Any vet can set up practice wherever they want, whenever they want, as long as they are qualified.

If the rest of your argument is based on this type of made-up nonsense off the top of your head, there is no point in debating this.

LostCovey

irishh_bob · 09-01-2011 07:25PM

exileincork wrote: »

vets dont earn anywhere in the region that doctors do...i have close relative a vet and another a doctor...vet def works longer hours and earns a lot less...also alot of work is done on credit and alot of farmers very slow to pay these bills. how many here pay up front for the drugs?

i never said vets earn as much as doctors , that doesnt take away from the fact that they dont operate in a completley free market

irishh_bob · 09-01-2011 07:27PM

LostCovey wrote: »

This is simply untrue.

Total and absolute fiction.

Any vet can set up practice wherever they want, whenever they want, as long as they are qualified.

If the rest of your argument is based on this type of made-up nonsense off the top of your head, there is no point in debating this.

LostCovey

let me ask you a question , is thier a cap on the number of GP clinics which can be set up in this country ??

whelan1 · 09-01-2011 07:32PM

out of interest how much does a vet get for doing a shift in a factory ?

LostCovey · 09-01-2011 07:38PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

let me ask you a question , is thier a cap on the number of GP clinics which can be set up in this country ??

No. There is a cap on the number of GPs who will get a medical card list. Any GP can set up, but they have to buy a practice with a GMS list if they want medical card patients.

You are changing the subject.

You said there was a limit on vet practices.

There is none.

LC

LostCovey · 09-01-2011 07:45PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

i never said vets earn as much as doctors , that doesnt take away from the fact that they dont operate in a completley free market

Only in the sense that you or I can't set up as vets without qualifications. However that measure is there to protect the consumer. You really have the wrong end of the stick, and you are not letting a lack of knowledge slow you down.

Go off to Dublin or Liverpool or Budapest for five years and get a vetyerinary science degree that shows that you have the knowledge and training, and it's a totally free market.

Is electrical work is a closed shop - or gas fitting? Setting minimum standards protects the user, at the end of the day

LC

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