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RIRA make new years statement- Threaten to "expand its campaign in 2011"

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  • #92
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    gbee wrote: »
    This was defeated in a referendum. It facilitated a massive influx immigrants and has been over turned.

    Its difficult to be as wrong in two sentences as you are there.

    That is the current wording of Art 2.


  • #93
    Wolfe Tone
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    RMD wrote: »

    2. They wont have any leeway until a bombing campaign starts, so this notion of claiming they'll up their campaign and all of sudden both governments will be all ears without seeing any action from RIRA is stupid.
    What have militant republicans been doing for the past year? They havent been sitting on their arses, they have detonated bombs.




    There are lots of people calling for them to be rounded up etc, but what they don't realize is that the PSNIs rep is too fragile to allow for a large number of false(intentional or otherwise) arrests. Raids on innocent people, even if they are unintentional, will increase support for militant republicanism..


  • #94
    danbohan
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    RMD wrote: »
    1. Chill the **** out, you're getting far to angry and tense for a simple discussion on a forum.

    2. They wont have any leeway until a bombing campaign starts, so this notion of claiming they'll up their campaign and all of sudden both governments will be all ears without seeing any action from RIRA is stupid.

    3. Once they do start the bombing campaign / killings etc they'll get **** all public support and just further tarnish their name, everyone already knows RIRA to be a pack of scumbags anyway. I'd much prefer to see MI5 infiltrate these lads and shoot everyone of the backward fúcks before seeing them being brought to the negotiation table.

    I'd much prefer to see MI5 infiltrate these lads and shoot everyone of the backward fúcks before seeing them being brought to the negotiation table


    and the murder of Irish people by British forces in our history has always led to a growth in support for that group , thats exactly what does not need to happen is for RIRA to obtain some martyrs then they can really start to destabilize


  • #95
    paky
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    a united ireland may come about b4 these groups grow in strength


  • #96
    JustinDee
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    danbohan wrote: »
    and the murder of Irish people by British forces in our history has always led to a growth in support for that group , thats exactly what does not need to happen is for RIRA to obtain some martyrs then they can really start to destabilize
    Well the murder of innocents really.
    If any of that lot were killed while violently trying to undo everything the people of this island democratically settled for then personally, I wouldn't give two stuffs.


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  • #97
    RMD
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    danbohan wrote: »
    I'd much prefer to see MI5 infiltrate these lads and shoot everyone of the backward fúcks before seeing them being brought to the negotiation table


    and the murder of Irish people by British forces in our history has always led to a growth in support for that group , thats exactly what does not need to happen is for RIRA to obtain some martyrs then they can really start to destabilize

    True, but they were different times. A lot of the discrimination and resentment has subsided, there isn't as much hatred as there was. Most people nowadays realise groups like RIRA are nothing more than terrorists, not freedom fighters as originally thought of. If these lads were killed, I don't see them becoming martyrs. As said the murder of innocent civilians will certainly gather support for RIRA, but nowadays most people realise RIRA are backward idiots and I'd say most would be happy to see them gone.
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What have militant republicans been doing for the past year? They havent been sitting on their arses, they have detonated bombs.

    There are lots of people calling for them to be rounded up etc, but what they don't realize is that the PSNIs rep is too fragile to allow for a large number of false(intentional or otherwise) arrests. Raids on innocent people, even if they are unintentional, will increase support for militant republicanism..

    They have been detonating bombs, but most were small and caused little to no damage. Most caused nothing more than minor injuries and most at that were to civilians, not the planned targets. The only injury I remember happening to a "target" was the catholic PSNI officer who had his leg blown off. Ye, the problem is nowadays it's such a small group with little following that very few people know who's involved and what's going on other than those who are in RIRA. The PSNI simply aren't up to the task, apparently though MI5 have been having some luck. The last thing needed is false arrests, which as you said will get these bastards some support.


  • #98
    bmaxi
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Care to back that up? I fail to see how such would occur if the militant republicans somehow got a UI.

    I don't recall mentioning a united Ireland situation, a united Ireland cannot be achieved by force, that's what the GFA was all about .
    As one of the stated objectives of the RIRA is the removal of the British presence and as c.one million people claim to be part of that British presence, then the logical conclusion is that their removal or subjugation would be part of the RIRA plan to achieve that objective. No?


  • #99
    Dawwwg
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    So I guess that means they'll be robbing a few more posties and not tipping the Pizza Hut delivery guy then? :rolleyes:


  • #100
    gbee
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    ISAW wrote: »
    Wrong! The past happened! History is only a map of the past. It is not the

    44 local uprisings and over 200 military engagements up to 1798 ( page3 above book)

    Have to say your fist statement here has gone over my head and I don't think you are being pedantic.

    The 1798 uprising was the one most likely to have succeeded, sadly, informers allowed an inferior British regiment to intercept in a series of small engagements where their superior training weapons decided the issue.

    History says we SHOULD have won in 1789, the past says we were betrayed by our own.


  • #101
    jugger0
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    I don't recall mentioning a united Ireland situation, a united Ireland cannot be achieved by force, that's what the GFA was all about .
    As one of the stated objectives of the RIRA is the removal of the British presence and as c.one million people claim to be part of that British presence, then the logical conclusion is that their removal or subjugation would be part of the RIRA plan to achieve that objective. No?

    Force is the only hope for a united Ireland, unionists will never accept it.


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  • #102
    Wolfe Tone
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    RMD wrote: »


    They have been detonating bombs, but most were small and caused little to no damage. Most caused nothing more than minor injuries and most at that were to civilians, not the planned targets. The only injury I remember happening to a "target" was the catholic PSNI officer who had his leg blown off. Ye, the problem is nowadays it's such a small group with little following that very few people know who's involved and what's going on other than those who are in RIRA. The PSNI simply aren't up to the task, apparently though MI5 have been having some luck. The last thing needed is false arrests, which as you said will get these bastards some support.

    Here is what they have been up too, although some of these attacks where OnH and not RIRA.
    24 January: The RIRA claimed responsibility for a gun attack on Crossmaglen PSNI station, County Armagh.[153][154]
    25 January: The RIRA claimed responsibility for shooting dead a man in Cork, Republic of Ireland. The RIRA claimed he was a drug dealer.[155][156]
    31 January: The RIRA claimed responsibility for a gun attack on a PSNI station in Bessbrook, County Armagh.[154]
    3 February: The RIRA claimed responsibility for throwing a pipe bomb at Oldpark PSNI station in Belfast. The device exploded causing damage to a perimeter fence of the station.[138]
    22 February: The RIRA were blamed for detonating a 250 lb car bomb outside a courthouse in Newry, County Down. The bombers issued a code-worded warning that the bomb would explode within 30 minutes, but it exploded 17 minutes later while police were evacuating the area. The courthouse guardhut was heavily damaged.[157][158]
    24 February: The RIRA claimed responsibility for kidnapping and shooting dead a man in County Londonderry. His body was found on the outskirts of Derry, close to the County Donegal border. The statement claimed he was a RIRA member.[159]
    12 March: The PSNI claimed it had intelligence that a Press Officer for Sinn Féin in Derry was under threat from the RIRA.[160]
    19 March: The RIRA claimed responsibility for security alerts in Derry. At least three controlled explosions were carried out on suspect devices which had been left in various locations around the city.[161]
    21 March: The RIRA were blamed for a gun attack on PSNI officers dealing with a "suspect device" on the Belfast–Dublin railway line near Newry, County Down. The device was found to be an "elaborate hoax".[162][163]
    28 March: Four masked men, claiming to be RIRA volunteers, hijacked a van on Coshquin Road in Derry and left it outside "Blackthorn Amusements" in Bridgend, County Donegal. The hijacking sparked a security alert which caused disruption to traffic in the area.[164]
    22 April: The IMC blamed the RIRA for a car bomb attack on a PSNI base in Newtownhamilton, County Armagh. A telephoned warning was given an hour beforehand, but two civilians were hurt.[165][166]
    23 April: The IMC blamed the RIRA for a pipe bomb attack on a house in Coalisland, County Tyrone. It was claimed that the RIRA accused the occupants of being involved in drug-dealing and criminality.[136][167][168]
    30 May: The IMC blamed the RIRA for a pipe bomb attack on a house at Windmill Court, Dungannon, County Tyrone. The bomb was thrown through the kitchen window and caused considerable damage.[166][169]
    17 June: The IMC blamed the RIRA for an attempted van bomb attack on a PSNI station in Aughnacloy, County Tyrone. A telephoned warning was received and the 300 lb bomb was made safe by the British Army.[166][170]
    18 June: The IMC blamed the RIRA for an attempted pipe bomb attack on a PSNI station in Craigavon, County Armagh. The device was made safe by the British Army.[166][171]
    22 June: The IMC blamed the RIRA for an attempted ambush on the Keady–Castleblayney road in County Armagh. Security forces were lured into the area by a fire and a bomb warning. A bomb with a command wire was found and made safe by the British Army.[166][172]
    2 July: The IMC blamed the RIRA for a gun attack on a PSNI station in Crossmaglen, County Armagh.[166][173]
    10 July: The IMC blamed the RIRA for exploding a bomb under a small stone bridge on Carrickrovaddy Road near Belleeks, County Armagh.[166][174]
    26 July: The RIRA were blamed for a gun attack on the Players' Lounge pub on Fairview Strand, Dublin. A lone gunman entered the pub shortly after midnight and fired shots at a doorman. The doorman and two bystanders were wounded.[175][176][177]
    8 August: The IMC blamed the RIRA for planting a booby-trap bomb under a PSNI officer's car in Kilkeel, County Down. It fell off the car and failed to explode.[166][178]
    10 August: The IMC blamed the RIRA for planting a booby-trap bomb under a PSNI worker's car in Cookstown, County Tyrone. The man worked as a civilian security guard at Cookstown PSNI base. It partially exploded but the man was unhurt.[166][179]
    4 October: The RIRA claimed responsibility for exploding a car bomb outside the Ulster Bank on Culmore Road in Derry. The bomb was more than 200 lb and exploded at 23:56, about an hour after a telephoned warning. Two PSNI officers were lightly hurt and the bank, a hotel and nearby shops were heavily damaged.[180][181]
    15 October: In a statement to the Derry Journal, the RIRA claimed it attempted a sniper attack on a PSNI officer in Derry. It claimed that "the sniping operation was abandoned due to civilian interference".[182]
    20 October: The RIRA claimed responsibility for shooting a man in the legs in Derry. The man was a convicted sex offender.[183][184]
    Thats from wiki, there have also been a few more things they did, I believe they also carried out a few armed patrols, and checkpoints. Also I think there were a few more instances of attempting to lure PSNI men.


  • #103
    gbee
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    jugger0 wrote: »
    Force is the only hope for a united Ireland, unionists will never accept it.

    Even if we invite the Queen Back?


  • #104
    Wolfe Tone
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    I don't recall mentioning a united Ireland situation, a united Ireland cannot be achieved by force, that's what the GFA was all about .
    As one of the stated objectives of the RIRA is the removal of the British presence and as c.one million people claim to be part of that British presence, then the logical conclusion is that their removal or subjugation would be part of the RIRA plan to achieve that objective. No?
    That wouldn't be a logical conclusion at all tbh.


  • #105
    jugger0
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    gbee wrote: »
    Even if we invite the Queen Back?

    To be honest i hope the RIRA send the oul hag into orbit


  • #106
    bmaxi
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    That wouldn't be a logical conclusion at all tbh.

    What is or isn't a logical conclusion depends on your broader point of view.


  • #107
    ISAW
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Lads, what has the famine to do with the RIRA?

    The second R in "RIRA" is "Republican" The I is for "Irish" and A for "Army"

    A Republic is a country where the people make the laws and it isn't a colony of an occupying military power.
    The British colonial behaviour was a major causal factor in the famine.

    Because of such events as the famine being caused in this way the removal of non "Irish" elements in order to create an "Irish Republic" and necessitated the existence of an "Army".

    Got it?


  • #108
    ISAW
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    I don't recall mentioning a united Ireland situation, a united Ireland cannot be achieved by force, that's what the GFA was all about .
    As one of the stated objectives of the RIRA is the removal of the British presence and as c.one million people claim to be part of that British presence, then the logical conclusion is that their removal or subjugation would be part of the RIRA plan to achieve that objective. No?

    No actually. I would think the RIRA position would be that it is sugfficient to remove any British rule over Ireland e.,g. government court systems police and military. British citizens are quite happy to live in Ireland. In fact they are the largest minority in Ireland north and south. They just would not be governed taxed or funded by Westminster.


  • #109
    Wolfe Tone
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    ISAW wrote: »
    The second R in "RIRA" is "Republican" The I is for "Irish" and A for "Army"

    A Republic is a country where the people make the laws and it isn't a colony of an occupying military power.
    The British colonial behaviour was a major causal factor in the famine.

    Because of such events as the famine being caused in this way the removal of non "Irish" elements in order to create an "Irish Republic" and necessitated the existence of an "Army".

    Got it?

    Don't get smart with me chara.


    All f the above is quite frankly irrelevant to a thread about the RIRAs new years statement and what they may do in the future.


  • #110
    gbee
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Lads, what has the famine to do with the RIRA?

    It's a pivotal point from which the world changed and direct descendants in the states funded future military activities, including 1916 and the 1969 campaigns onwards.

    It also saw the US flex its international muscles as it chastised the British, without such pressure it is unlikely the soup kitchens would have been set up.


  • #111
    ISAW
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Don't get smart with me chara.


    All f the above is quite frankly irrelevant to a thread about the RIRAs new years statement and what they may do in the future.

    So the history of Republicanism and understanding the underlying reasons why violence occurs is not relevant at all as to why paramilitary groups actually exist?

    I think you are arguing based on very marshy foundations.


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  • #112
    JustinDee
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    ISAW wrote: »
    I think you are arguing based on very marshy foundations.
    No, you are appearing to try and justify a particular group's existence and methods with a broad swept brush across a few hundred years of 'history', ignoring the most recent and apt.


  • #113
    Wolfe Tone
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    ISAW wrote: »
    So the history of Republicanism and understanding the underlying reasons why violence occurs is not relevant at all as to why paramilitary groups actually exist?

    I think you are arguing based on very marshy foundations.
    Does the history of republicanism start with the famine? How far back do you want to go? 1171?


    I was hoping that this thread wouldn't become the usual republican themed mess, and would stay focused on present day militant republicanism and what we can expect to see in the coming years.


  • #114
    Sand
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    The RIRA statement reads like some desperate plea for attention. They represent nobody. All the points of the conflict have already been discussed and an awkward and imperfect but basically funtioning agreement has been reached. Theres not much left to discuss - if they insist on going out there to murder pizza delivery men, then all thats left is to kill them and/or imprison them in turn until they get with the program.


  • #115
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Sand wrote: »
    The RIRA statement reads like some desperate plea for attention. They represent nobody. All the points of the conflict have already been discussed and an awkward and imperfect but basically funtioning agreement has been reached. Theres not much left to discuss - if they insist on going out there to murder pizza delivery men, then all thats left is to kill them and/or imprison them in turn until they get with the program.

    But thats the crux of the debate. has it?


  • #116
    JustinDee
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    But thats the crux of the debate. has it?

    Yes, misguided, they willfully and conveniently ignore the agreement.


  • #117
    ISAW
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    No, you are appearing to try and justify a particular group's existence and methods with a broad swept brush across a few hundred years of 'history', ignoring the most recent and apt.

    I suggest you read what I wrote about "reasons" and "justifications" and then come back to me on this and answer the question I asked.
    Where have you any evidence that I justified recent activities of the RIRA?


  • #118
    Einhard
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    On this board it seems you are the one with the problem.




    You have done so in the past, can we expect a repeat?

    In the past I've posted in response to posts you have made which I thought came close to seeking to explain away RIRA actions. I linked to those posts in the replies I made, and they seemed to me, and others, to go beyond the mere providing of context. That though, is beside the point in relation to this thread.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    There isn't in fairness. All too often people are accused on this forum for justifying an event by providing context for the said event. It's rarely worth even entertaining with a response.

    And all too often Republicans will seek to find context on the actions of fellow Republicans when they would never seek to do so viz Loyalists or the British Army. All too often, and on these boards too, some Republicans will go well beyond the point where providing context merges with providing some form of justification. Not all Republicans mind, possibly not even the majority, but a significant minority.
    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Horseshít. You are trolling.

    Anyone who doesn't jump up and down and join your chorus is suspect.

    You have some cheek to accuse me of intellectual laziness, and then use the most over- and mis-used word on these fora in an attempt to dismiss a comment which wasn't even directed at you. I have nothing but respect for other posters here, even those who don't agree with me, and even those who I consider, on occasion, to come close to attempting to justify actions which should be condemned outright. The only thing suspect here, is your attempt to dismiss opinions which don't happen toi accord with your own. There are plenty of people who'd share my view that, sometimes, certain Republicans seek to explain away actions rather than simply explain them. Are they too trolling, or rude, or lazy? Indeed, it was only in the past month, where we had a Republican seeking to explain away the murder of Gerry McCabe. Should I resist from having an opinion on that, or would it be mere trolling?

    Anyway, I stand by what I said. It's off topic though, and was a general reflection, so I'll leave it at that.


  • #119
    Judgement Day
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    I was 38 when I voted in favour of the Good Friday Agreement. I voted in favour in the interests of peace and not some mythical United Ireland and I'm sure that I wasn't alone in my reasons. After living through 30 years of mayhem on the island it was the only rational thing to do. Rational - a word some posters here couldn't even spell.:rolleyes:


  • #120
    annoyingbeast
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    they should make themselves useful and kill all the corrupt bankers and force a general election, actually do something for their country,


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  • #121
    ISAW
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Does the history of republicanism start with the famine? How far back do you want to go? 1171?

    that would be a matter of opinion. some might go to the Statute of Kilkenny but I doubt many would think The Uniter Iriahmen were not looking for an independent Ireland. Certainly the Irish Republican Brotherhood or the nativity of Sinn Fein might well be a starting point. The point is the RIRA didn't just appear out of nowhere in a Big Bang.
    I was hoping that this thread wouldn't become the usual republican themed mess, and would stay focused on present day militant republicanism and what we can expect to see in the coming years.

    The further back you look the further forward you can see. The Pol Pot idea that we can forget all of history and just concentrate on the future is rather naive. One's expectations are informed by history.


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