RIRA make new years statement- Threaten to "expand its campaign in 2011"

Wolfe Tone

The Real IRA has threatened to expand its campaign in 2011 and is planning gun and bomb attacks on a wide range of British military, commercial, political and judicial targets.

In a new year statement released exclusively to the Sunday Tribune, the paramilitary organisation said the security forces were completely failing to deal with the threat it posed.

In the past 12 months, the Real IRA carried out several bombings, but it has not inflicted any fatalities on the security forces since it murdered two British soldiers at Massereene in March 2009, nor has it launched any attacks in Britain.

In its statement, the Real IRA Army Council said: "In the year to come, the leadership of Óglaigh na hÉireann will strive to expand the theatre of our operations in line with our strategy. We will continue to target institutions and personnel in the military, political, policing, justice and commercial and economic fields." The Real IRA said it had learned from "past mistakes" which it didn't detail.

It has previously taken ruthless action against those whom it claims "collaborate with British rule in Ireland". It deliberately shot and tried to kill two workers delivering pizzas to the soldiers at Massereene.

The paramilitary group repeated this threat. "Those who actively engaged in the occupation of Ireland and those who assist this occupation are the enemies of the Irish people," it said. In recent months, the Real IRA launched bomb attacks on Newry courthouse and the Ulster Bank in Derry. Catholic police officer Peadar Heffron lost a leg and narrowly escaped death when a bomb planted by another dissident group exploded under his car.

The Real IRA claimed that continuing dissident attacks showed that the two governments' policy of normalisation of life in the North had failed.

"In the past year, there has been no mistaking the fact that a conflict exists in occupied Ireland. The British, Free State, and colonial parliament in the six counties have collectively been unable to conceal or deal with this fact," it said.

It dismissed raids by the security forces and the arrest and conviction of republican dissidents. "None of the above measures have worked in the past, nor will they work now," it said. In a reference to the Provisional movement, which strongly opposes republican dissidents, it said the gulf between the two was now huge.

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2011/jan/02/real-ira-threatens-gun-and-bomb-attacks/

There you have it.

In the year to come, the leadership of Óglaigh na hÉireann will strive to expand the theatre of our operations in line with our strategy.We will continue to target institutions and personnel in the military, political, policing, justice and commercial and economic fields.

Just to clarify the OnH mentioned here is what the RIRA refer to themselves as, and NOT the other militant republican group of the same name(I initially thought they were saying there would be closer cooperation between the two). Seems to be a threat of more of the same, however I would guess that we will see little in the way of attack on commercial fields, too high a risk of civillian casualties. Personally I beieve the attacks will be restricted to ones on the PSNI and soldiers. Mostly the former. The RIRA are out to build support, civillian deaths(ie Joe Bloggs doing his shopping) wont aid that.



I personally feel that they(militant republicans) will attempt to capitalize on the visit of the queen of england, the political wings of the militant republicans will be out in force, simmering tensions will be agitated, British and Irish relations will come to the fore. Prime conditions for a spectacular.


However with that said, all the militant republican groups are heavily infiltrated by Mi5.

None of the above measures have worked in the past, nor will they work now

I fully agree with the above, arresting people will not work, nor will raiding peoples homes. The answer lies through dialog imo.

kev9100

In related news, a bunch of self-important, bigoted idiots have deluded themselves into thinking anyone cares remotely what they say and that they're important.

Wolfe Tone

kev9100 wrote: »

In related news, a bunch of self-important, bigoted idiots have deluded themselves into thinking anyone cares remotely what they say and that they're important.

In fairness I think a lot of people care about what they have to say, even those like myself who dont agree with what they are saying.

Even if its only because they can kill people.

jugger0

Im expecting some serious fireworks during the queens visit.

kev9100

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

In fairness I think a lot of people care about what they have to say, even those like myself who dont agree with what they are saying.

Even if its only because they can kill people.

I disagree. I'd say most people have ZERO interest in listening to these people. They represent no-one, have no solutions for anything and just want to drag us all back to the dark ages. Why would anyone care remotely what they think?

OhNoYouDidn't

kev9100 wrote: »

I disagree. I'd say most people have ZERO interest in listening to these people. They represent no-one, have no solutions for anything and just want to drag us all back to the dark ages. Why would anyone care remotely what they think?

Because if they think they should plant more bombs they become very 'interesting', whether we like it or not

Liam Byrne

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

In fairness I think a lot of people care about what they have to say, even those like myself who dont agree with what they are saying.

Even if its only because they can kill people.

Sad day when thugs and criminals can dictate how decent people "should" react.

Let them say whatever they like and if they're found planning anything to hurt citizens of either this country or our neighbours, shoot them like the sick thugs that they are.

Ren2k7

Where do these idiots get off trying to paint the country i was born and grew up to love as being somehow illegitimate by referring to Ireland as the "free state"?

amacachi

Dialogue? LOL.

gandalf

How can these knuckle draggers claim to represent the people of Ireland. They clearly do not represent the vast majority here so by continuing these acts of violence they are acting like fascists. They are criminals and should be hunted down as such.

Einhard

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I fully agree with the above, arresting people will not work, nor will raiding peoples homes. The answer lies through dialog imo.

In order for dialpgue to work, you have to have two sides who are willing to engage in it. The RIRA and the rest of the dissidents have shown, by their very existence, that they believe not in compromise, so dialogue is useless. They should be treated as other criminals are- hunted down and prosecuted. It was sickening enough for many people to have to watch as IRA and Loyalist murderers and terrorists were released under the GFA, but at least we could persuade ourselves that it was for the greater good. That's not the case with the RIRA etc. They cannot compromise on their agenda, and so dialogue and concessions will be useless. Anyway, there's only so much discussions that sovereign states can have with those groups who wish to violently subvert it, before the very act of negotiation comes a subversive agent in and of itself. The "we do not negotiate with terrorists" line is very much over-used, but IMO it's entirely justified in this instance. Bring in mandatory sentencing of, say, 10-15 years, for those who join proscribed subversive groups, and crack down hard on their financing. That's the only way to deal with this threat. After this has been done, and the dissidents are on their knees so to speak, then discussions might have some use in finally removing them from the scheme, but not til then, and not in return for the concessions granted as part of the GFA.

JustinDee

gandalf wrote: »

How can these knuckle draggers claim to represent the people of Ireland

They can't nor can any of the brainwashed doing their dirty work or deluded yutz who supports them.
Their modus operandi equates to nothing less than fascism, given the people on this island having already overwhelmingly voted for what they want ie. peaceful compromise.

gbee

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I personally feel that they(militant republicans) will attempt to capitalize on the visit of the queen of england,

I like the Queen ~ in England.

A good start to 2011 would be to cancel her visit here.

proon4

Its the same old arguments again and again............While the Brits are in Ireland there will always be people who feel strong enought to take up arms against them...Im not condoning it but to see the future look at the past... nothing really changes

djpbarry

gbee wrote: »

I like the Queen ~ in England.

A good start to 2011 would be to cancel her visit here.

And give in to dissident demands? No thanks.

DublinWriter

I wouldn't under-estimate the RIRA as the Provos began in much the same way in the late 1960's / early 1970's as a disaffected splinter of the Official IRA.

djpbarry

proon4 wrote: »

While the Brits are in Ireland there will always be people who feel strong enought to take up arms against them...Im not condoning it...

You just did.

proon4

djpbarry wrote: »

You just did.

Im simply saying look at the past... Its never been different... Pearse and Connelly and the rest of the 1916 heros were spat on by people in Dublin....

gbee

djpbarry wrote: »

And give in to dissident demands? No thanks.

Perhaps some one might put up another poll on Her Majesties visit. I don't want her to come, I'm not a dissident, I'll vote for Norris [if] but I'm not gay.

proon4

gbee wrote: »

Perhaps some one might put up another poll on Her Majesties visit. I don't want her to come, I'm not a dissident, I'll vote for Norris [if] but I'm not gay.

ypu sure???? you seem to like the Queens

JustinDee

proon4 wrote: »

Im simply saying look at the past... Its never been different... Pearse and Connelly and the rest of the 1916 heros were spat on by people in Dublin....

Everyone on the island that needs a vote, has a vote. They voted...and the majority got the compromise it wanted.
This was not the case previously.
How exactly does this compare? Easy answer is that it doesn't.

proon4

JustinDee wrote: »

Everyone on the island that needs a vote, has a vote. They voted...and the majority got the compromise it wanted.
This was not the case previously.
How exactly does this compare? Easy answer is that it doesn't.[/QUOTE

Look democracy is fine for most of us, but theres always been young people with ideals... regardless if we agree with them or not........... While the Brits are here then some people will never be happy with that.face up to the facts .. thats life

djpbarry

proon4 wrote: »

Pearse and Connelly and the rest of the 1916 heros were spat on by people in Dublin....

I wouldn’t have a whole lot of time for Pearse or Connolly myself. I certainly wouldn’t go labelling them “heroes”. I’m still not sure what your point is?

JustinDee

proon4 wrote: »

Look democracy is fine for most of us, but theres always been young people with ideals... regardless if we agree with them or not........... While the Brits are here then some people will never be happy with that.face up to the facts .. thats life

That's a pathetic and apathetic excuse for them.
I know what "the facts" are.
They don't. Thats the problem and why their ideals are nothing more than fascistic delusion.

djpbarry

proon4 wrote: »

While the Brits are here then some people will never be happy with that.face up to the facts

So the overwhelming majority have to accept the fact that a minority of morons refuse to accept facts?

proon4

djpbarry wrote: »

I wouldn’t have a whole lot of time for Pearse or Connolly myself. I certainly wouldn’t go labelling them “heroes”. I’m still not sure what your point is?

The point is these men and women laid their lifes on the line....have you and the rest of this countrty forgotten that.... read your history, the Brits commited genocide against the Irish people...Im of an age where history was taught factual to us, but now i see what they teach to the young kids today..Politically correct lies

gbee

proon4 wrote: »

the Brits commited genocide against the Irish people...

They didn't do a good job of that though.

proon4

gbee wrote: »

They didn't do a good job of that though.

! million dead from famine when they were still exporting food to Europe....... Read read read

proon4

djpbarry wrote: »

So the overwhelming majority have to accept the fact that a minority of morons refuse to accept facts?

Democracy never made change.... Look at the mingers we have. Like pigs at a trough which is the public trough

danbohan

djpbarry wrote: »

So the overwhelming majority have to accept the fact that a minority of morons refuse to accept facts?

unfortunately you seem to be the one not facing the facts , the facts are that while their still is a British presence on part of this island certain people will use that as an excuse to engage in violence. that the majority of people disapprove will make little difference to them

proon4

danbohan wrote: »

unfortunately you seem to be the one not facing the facts , the facts are that while their still is a British presence on part of this island certain people will use that as an excuse to engage in violence. that the majority of people disapprove will make little difference to them

Exactly

arybvtcw0eolkf

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

In fairness I think a lot of people care about what they have to say, even those like myself who dont agree with what they are saying.

Even if its only because they can kill people.

+1.

And I say we ignore these cowardly bastards at our peril.

djpbarry

proon4 wrote: »

The point is these men and women laid their lifes on the line....have you and the rest of this countrty forgotten that...

I’m quite aware of what they did. I just don’t agree with it. Let’s leave that topic for another thread.

proon4 wrote: »

Democracy never made change.... Look at the mingers we have. Like pigs at a trough which is the public trough

I haven’t a clue what you’re on about.

danbohan wrote: »

...the facts are that while their still is a British presence on part of this island...

The fact is, part of the island of Ireland is British.

danbohan wrote: »

...certain people will use that as an excuse to engage in violence.

Certain people will always find an excuse to engage in violence, regardless of where international borders are drawn.

gbee

proon4 wrote: »

! million dead from famine when they were still exporting food to Europe....... Read read read

The blight years devastated our population, estimates vary some say down to 4 million from 12 million.

The British were slow to react as blight was common in Ireland and crop failures a regular event. The British did not create the blight but the problems were compounded by Ireland exporting grain for profit.

It's a fine line, but Britain did not force this export of food, the Union of England and Ireland was some 50 years old and trade was prosperous for all. Especially in the North.

The loss of labour lead to the rapid development and adoption of machines for agriculture, a process that has had a far longer ranging impact on our Island.

proon4

gbee wrote: »

The blight years devastated our population, estimates vary some say down to 4 million from 12 million.

The British were slow to react as blight was common in Ireland and crop failures a regular event. The British did not create the blight but the problems were compounded by Ireland exporting grain for profit.

It's a fine line, but Britain did not force this export of food, the Union of England and Ireland was some 50 years old and trade was prosperous for all. Especially in the North.

The loss of labour lead to the rapid development and adoption of machines for agriculture, a process that has had a far longer ranging impact on our Island.

My God i cant believe your saying that.......Have you no respect for your ansestors....Your completly wrong.. " prosperous for all "... for a few west brits yes... So we forget about young kids dying on the side of the road because trade was good for this country... I cant believe your serious... you got to be a kid that learned the revised politically correct "history"

danbohan

djpbarry wrote: »

I’m quite aware of what they did. I just don’t agree with it. Let’s leave that topic for another thread.
I haven’t a clue what you’re on about.
The fact is, part of the island of Ireland is British.
Certain people will always find an excuse to engage in violence, regardless of where international borders are drawn.

the fact is part of this island is still occupied by Britain , it is not British . a vast swathe of the population in that part of the island consider themselves Irish and wish for reunification of the island , those people would also probably consider pearse and connally as heros and not terrorists as you do , now you claim they are British and that you are Irish , i dont think so

dlofnep

djpbarry wrote: »

So the overwhelming majority have to accept the fact that a minority of morons refuse to accept facts?

The reality of the matter is a little more complex than what you're describing.The nationalist community see Ireland as a single entity, and aspire to see an end to partition. They have not accepted partition as a permanent scenario. What the nationalist community is divided on is how to end partition. The majority have agreed to the roadmap provided via the Good Friday Agreement. A minority of the nationalist population feel that the Good Friday Agreement will not end partition, and as such - feel disillusioned and feel it is neccessary to take up arms. A little bit of context goes a long way.

I am strongly in favour of the roadmap provided by the Good Friday Agreement. A minority element of nationalists are not, and feel ostracized and unconvinced with it.

Britain has to accept responsibility for some of the present miscontent. It's history with dealing with the nationalist community has been less than stellar, and is one of the main reasons why militant Republicanism exists today.

But in the same respect - dissident Republicans need to examine what exactly prolonged war will acheive. We need to enlighten them, and show them that a united Ireland must include the unionist community, and that by engaging in conflict - they are pushing the unionist community further away. From talking with a few of these guys over the years, their opinion is that unionists will never be conviced regardless of how far we extend our hands in friendship.

They also have a concern that they have no political representation, giving that even at a best case scenario with regards to MP's, nationalist interests can never be protected in Westminster. This is a problem Britain will have to address.

There is no action without direct cause. Understanding the cause is the key to harmonizing the community.

bmaxi

DublinWriter wrote: »

I wouldn't under-estimate the RIRA as the Provos began in much the same way in the late 1960's / early 1970's as a disaffected splinter of the Official IRA.

At the time the Provos emerged things were a whole lot different. There was a virtual pogrom against one section of the community, aided and abetted by the establishment. Those conditions do not exist today.
What the RIRA want to achieve is not democracy but their own version of the very conditions that existed pre 1969, except in reverse.
If these people are really interested in ridding the Irish people of the oppressor they need look no further than Merrion Square.

gbee

proon4 wrote: »

My God i cant believe your saying that.......Have you no respect for your ansestors...."

Families were too large, 8/12 children was the norm, 24 were not uncommon.

The grain trade offered work on a massive scale, all hand tilled nurtured and harvested. Big cities like Dublin, Limerick and Cork took in cooks, houskeepers, maids and so on. It was ALL based on labour and agriculture.

The average large Irish family at the time could not and never could sustain itself it needed the work desperately. Their tiny allotments were un-viable even without the crop failures.

Crop failures that had been happening for a while, not just one year.

Mr.Crinklewood

Poccington wrote: »

Domino's better start giving their delivery men armed guards.

Not funny.

proon4

bmaxi wrote: »

At the time the Provos emerged things were a whole lot different. There was a virtual pogrom against one section of the community, aided and abetted by the establishment. Those conditions do not exist today.
What the RIRA want to achieve is not democracy but their own version of the very conditions that existed pre 1969, except in reverse.
If these people are really interested in ridding the Irish people of the oppressor they need look no further than Merrion Square.

ill agree with you about the mingers in Merrion Square...but regardless of what we feel. there is going to be serious trouble in NI

proon4

gbee wrote: »

Families were too large, 8/12 children was the norm, 24 were not uncommon.

The grain trade offered work on a massive scale, all hand tilled nurtured and harvested. Big cities like Dublin, Limerick and Cork took in cooks, houskeepers, maids and so on. It was ALL based on labour and agriculture.

The average large Irish family at the time could not and never could sustain itself it needed the work desperately. Their tiny allotments were un-viable even without the crop failures.


Crop failures that had been happening for a while, not just one year.

Isnt that so simple... So politically correct.. Nobody really got hurted by the famine..it was just a matter of economics.... I hope you never have a hungry day...

JustinDee

proon4 wrote: »

ill agree with you about the mingers in Merrion Square...but regardless of what we feel. there is going to be serious trouble in NI

You'd better hope there isn't. If anything flared up across the border, you can bet your keyster it will affect the other side as well.
But you don't seem to mind. You're still going on about the famine and "west Brits".

proon4

JustinDee wrote: »

You'd better hope there isn't. If anything flared up across the border, you can bet your keyster it will affect the other side as well.
But you don't seem to mind. You're still going on about the famine and "west Brits".

They havent gone back to UK

JustinDee

proon4 wrote: »

They havent gone back to UK

The "United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland"?? You appear to be a little muddled up.
Which "West Brits" haven't "gone back"? Are you looking for a mass-expulsion of anyone British?

Hopefully you never get caught up with any of the poop that would arise of this delusional circumstance you make excuses for.

Honestly, this is like debating with a kid or a barstool fixture.
Maybe you're just doing this for the rise?
Pointless.

proon4

JustinDee wrote: »

The "United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland"?? You appear to be a little muddled up.
Which "West Brits" haven't "gone back"? Are you looking for a mass-expulsion of anyone British?

Hopefully you never get caught up with any of the poop that would arise of this delusional circumstance you make excuses for.

Honestly, this is like debating with a kid or a barstool fixture.
Maybe you're just doing this for the rise?
Pointless.

Obviously another kid that learnt his history in the " revised" form

JustinDee

bmaxi wrote: »

What the RIRA want to achieve is not democracy but their own version of the very conditions that existed pre 1969, except in reverse

This is because they have absolutely NO concept whatsoever of the meaning of the word 'democracy'.

JustinDee

proon4 wrote: »

Obviously another kid that learnt his history in the " revised" form

You mentioned 'the UK'. That is what 'UK' is.
Nothing revisionist at all. In fact, it would show that I actually know what I'm talking about and that you do not.

gbee

proon4 wrote: »

Isnt that so simple... So politically correct.. Nobody really got hurted by the famine..it was just a matter of economics.... I hope you never have a hungry day...

No, it's you who put a very simplistic view on things by saying that the British committed genocide against the Irish in the 1860's by exporting food and leaving the Irish to die.

The truth is not simplistic at all. If the Catholic families were not so large there would not have been a ready labour market, a labour market eager for support as it could not sustain itself.

There is better farm land in the English mainland and much more of it ~ but not the people to work it. It was not in Britain's interests to have had this series of famines.

They could have done more, and in light of the importance of the grain, coming only some 30 years after European slavery has been abolished we are looking at a European picture here.

The famine years spanned two decades and ultimately changed the world.

proon4

JustinDee wrote: »

You mentioned 'the UK'. That is what 'UK' is.
Nothing revisionist at all. In fact, it would show that I actually know what I'm talking about and that you do not.

Have to admit schooling wasn't a thing i done..I was busier doing other things...But I know whats true and whats not..... my who;e point on this thread is that histroy continually repeats. if you keep doing things the same way you keep getting the same results.. Brits in Ireland.... same results..

Wolfe Tone

bmaxi wrote: »

At the time the Provos emerged things were a whole lot different. There was a virtual pogrom against one section of the community, aided and abetted by the establishment. Those conditions do not exist today.
What the RIRA want to achieve is not democracy but their own version of the very conditions that existed pre 1969, except in reverse.
If these people are really interested in ridding the Irish people of the oppressor they need look no further than Merrion Square.

Care to back that up? I fail to see how such would occur if the militant republicans somehow got a UI.